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The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby MyOtherID » Sun 07 May 2006, 09:59:18

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Today Preznit Bush said something that makes me worry that he and his cretinous associates really are planning to attack Iran to manipulate the public's voting in the next voting round.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Preznit Bush', '"')When he says that he wants to destroy Israel, the world needs to take it seriously," Bush said in an interview with German weekly Bild am Sonntag.

"This is a serious threat, aimed at an ally of the United States and Germany. What Ahmadinejad also means is that if he is ready to destroy one country, then he would also be ready to destroy others. This is a threat that needs to be dealt with."


This man is dangerous. Bush, I mean.

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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby NordicHero » Sun 07 May 2006, 12:32:16

Zionists Want to Evade Blame for Coming Iran War - Extremists concerned they can't hide role in planned conflict.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'b')y David Duke

THE LARGEST Jewish newspaper in the United States, the Jewish Week, has expressed concern that Americans are learning the truth about the Jewish political and media influence driving America toward war with Iran. Here is how the article begins: "President Bush is risking a backlash that could injure the Jewish community -- and his own cause -- by repeatedly citing Israel as his top rationale for possible U.S. military conflict with Iran, Jewish leaders and Middle East analysts warned this week."

"Bush's repeated, sometimes exclusive, focus on Israel could spark public fury against the Jewish state and Jews if U.S. military action is accompanied by skyrocketing gas prices, terrorism at home or fallen GIs who might be seen as dying for Israel, some said. Others feared it could fracture the shaky international coalition Bush is striving to assemble to oppose Iran's nuclear program by framing the threat as primarily to Israel rather than international stability."

Of course, the entire plan for an Iran War is about Israel and not the United States. Israel is behind it, the neocons are behind it, and the Jewish extremists that have such disproportionate influence in the media are behind it... National Vanguard

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(ILLUSTRATION: The relationship between George Bush and former Israeli strongman Sharon -- and his colleagues and successors -- is clearly shown in this photograph; one serves, and the other is served.)
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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby MyOtherID » Sun 07 May 2006, 13:10:53

Elijah, it won't work. If you think Iraq was a mess, Iran will be umpteen times worse.

The plan you outline is the low road, not the high road, but I fear you may be right.

The high road is to use that war money to move towards a post-FF society. That's too much deep thinkin' for Bush and his henchmen, it seems.
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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby threadbear » Sun 07 May 2006, 13:46:06

I had this paranoid vision, the other day. Biowarfare unleashed in some American city, say around the 1st of June. Cheney's cabal form a tight information free zone around their sock puppet president, tell Bush that Iran's president is the biblical anti-Christ and that he's responsible for the bio-attack and that there can be only one response, both presidential and messianic.

And this is what they're telling him:

"It has all been foretold, Mr.President. Remember that special feeling you got when you first read the lines in the bible about the prince of peace returning and crushing the serpant? You are the prince of peace, sir. The number of the beast is 666. You are to strike at the heart of the beast, June 6, 2006, Mr. President. You are the chosen one. You have 5 days left to decide whether you want to live out your destiny as the true Messiah."



Entertaining this idea as even the remotest possibility is depressing. Would you have believed anything like this possible 15 or 20 years ago? I'm mildly paranoid, and I would have laughed at the suggestion.
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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby threadbear » Sun 07 May 2006, 14:55:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 't')hreadbare, if Bush does not create a diversion then the Democrats will take the house (and perhaps the senate) in November and begin impeachment proceedings. he must invade something


Quite possible. The whole issue has to be viewed as an exercise in avoiding judicial sticks, as much as chasing financial and energy carrots. The panic to stack the supreme court with neo-con friendly judges was quite revealing, in this regard, too.
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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby RdSnt » Sun 07 May 2006, 15:13:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 't')hreadbare, if Bush does not create a diversion then the Democrats will take the house (and perhaps the senate) in November and begin impeachment proceedings. he must invade something


While I believe there is a good chance military action will be taken against Iran, we've seen this run_up before, the political action in the US is much deeper than may at first be seen.

The deep control that moves the levers of power in the States really doesn't care much which party is in assendancy, control spans both parties. The Democrats and Republicans are stamped from the same mould the only consideration is to ensure specific people remain or gain political seats.
Whether is is a Bush clone or H. Clinton in the big chair, nothing significant will change.

The American citizenry are at a crossroads, either vote and stay with the status quo or revolt. It's that serious now.
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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby Atlantean_Relic » Sun 07 May 2006, 15:37:18

I myself am wondering if Birdflu isn't there cover for all the shit PO will bring. They keep emphasizing the economic damage this flu will cause. Make me wonder if they haven't grown a H2H strain in a lab already and are waiting.
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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby skeptic » Sun 07 May 2006, 15:47:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RdSnt', '
')The American citizenry are at a crossroads, either vote and stay with the status quo or revolt. It's that serious now.


Crossroads? revolt? I dont think so. The majority of American citizens are far too fat and well fed to be thinking in those terms. A good portion might not like Bush all that much But I cant see them taking to the barricades any time soon. They're not hungry enough. ... and besides... the Superbowl is on TV....

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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby threadbear » Sun 07 May 2006, 15:57:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Atlantean_Relic', 'I') myself am wondering if Birdflu isn't there cover for all the shit PO will bring. They keep emphasizing the economic damage this flu will cause. Make me wonder if they haven't grown a H2H strain in a lab already and are waiting.


Bingo, And the way the stage has been set, we'll never know if it was an Arab malcontent or if 'they' did it themselves.

Rdsnt--You're likely right, but I think even on a deeper level, the situation isn't static and the elite powers behind the scenes are also involved in civil war that may work it's way up through the democratic and republican parties. Not that either one aspires to actually be populist, but the neo-cons may finally be understood for what they are--(Hitlerian and carriers of the torch of Nazism from Europe to America) Other elite powers don't favour them. They may have allowed them to remain in power long enough to consolidate power in the electorate, hoping to benefit themselves. They've been given enough rope to hang themselves, but unfortunately, they've used the noose rather well, and now actually threaten the old old guard.

Will factions of the CIA, representing more the East Coast establishment democrats, and the old Anglo American elite win over the pro oil Nazis? We'll see. One thing is assured, it's not about freedom.
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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby Eddie_lomax » Sun 07 May 2006, 16:33:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MyOtherID', '
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When properly translated the Iranian president actually calls for the removal of the regimes that are in power in Israel and in the USA as a goal for the future. Nowhere does he demand the elimination or annihilation of Israel. He called for greater governance for Palestine. The word map does not even feature. And the president makes plain that the Holocaust happened, but, he argues western powers have exploited the memory of the Holocaust for their own imperialistic purposes. What the mainstream ran with is complete deception.

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While I have no idea what he said in his mother tongue, you'd have thought that if his comments were taken completely out of context that they'd have made an effort to correct this ? This makes me sceptical that its a big conspiracy, unless of course everyone is in it :P This guy certainly is no idiot, and if he thought that his comments were going to be used against him then he'd make an effort to spanner up any plans there.

Therefore I do believe he'd be quite happy watching Isreal disapear, dunno if he's fruity enough though to wipe his own country off the map achieving it ?

As a personal point though - got to agree with him on the above comments about the holocaust though, especially from a middle eastern viewpoint, its no longer an historical event now, but an money making industry too.

Maybe I'm being brainwashed by the media again here, but while I have no love for the Isreali regime (Stern gang etc), I'm not a big fan of Persian autocracy either, kind of an opposite to western civilisation since Byzantine times.

For me the big question here is - is he (and will his successors) be happy to keep their regime within their own borders ?

On that count so far they've been about as violent as Luxembourg, once the oil runs out anything can happen though, thats why I'd prefer they (and as many other countries as possible) didn't have nuclear weapons. I have images of what happened when the Albanian economy crumbled (the only economy to crash due to a pyramid scam :) ), the doors on military arsenals were just left wide open and the soldiers went home...
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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby NordicHero » Sun 07 May 2006, 16:45:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'b')ut the neo-cons may finally be understood for what they are--(Hitlerian and carriers of the torch of Nazism from Europe to America)


How utterly clueless you must be. Most of the neo-cons are Zionist Jews!
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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby AmericanEmpire » Sun 07 May 2006, 16:53:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') myself am wondering if Birdflu isn't there cover for all the shit PO will bring. They keep emphasizing the economic damage this flu will cause.


Well the Sunday edition of the newspaper I have warns about the bird flu.

It says their could be supply disruptions causing shortages and mandatory closing down of travel by the government. It recomends stockpiling food, planning to live on reduced income, planning for disrupted health care, and planning for disrupted travel.

My first thought when reading is that this is a damn coverup for the comming peak oil problems. They are trying to get people ready for this shit happening without causing a complete panic about the end of our way of life. When the problems hit they will want people to think its temporary, no?
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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby MyOtherID » Sun 07 May 2006, 17:30:40

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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby Armageddon » Sun 07 May 2006, 18:04:48

The democrats cant take control because the republicans own the voting machines.
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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby nemo » Sun 07 May 2006, 18:06:17

Juan Cole dissects what was actually being said by Ahmadinejad:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')orry that I misremembered the exact phrase Ahmadinejad had used. He made an analogy to Khomeini's determination and success in getting rid of the Shah's government, which Khomeini had said "must go" (az bain bayad berad). Then Ahmadinejad defined Zionism not as an Arabi-Israeli national struggle but as a Western plot to divide the world of Islam with Israel as the pivot of this plan.

The phrase he then used as I read it is "The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] from the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)."

Ahmadinejad was not making a threat, he was quoting a saying of Khomeini and urging that pro-Palestinian activists in Iran not give up hope-- that the occupation of Jerusalem was no more a continued inevitability than had been the hegemony of the Shah's government.

Whatever this quotation from a decades-old speech of Khomeini may have meant, Ahmadinejad did not say that "Israel must be wiped off the map" with the implication that phrase has of Nazi-style extermination of a people. He said that the occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the page of time.


A sidenote: I've noticed that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is rarely referred to by his name, but rather as "the Iranian president" or something similar. Could it be that this man's multi-syllable name is too difficult for the western masses to remember? I know I've forgotten it several times before it finally sunk in... Ah, the villains of yore... Pol Pot, Stalin, Saddam - all catchy names that would roll of the tongue with ease.
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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby something_awfull » Sun 07 May 2006, 18:24:16

Yeah, you'd think he'd come up with a flashier name, like Dr. Evil or something. :twisted:
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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby Atlantean_Relic » Sun 07 May 2006, 18:30:54

How about the Black Turban?
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Re: The Neocon Drumbeat for War

Unread postby UIUCstudent01 » Sun 07 May 2006, 21:24:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Atlantean_Relic', 't')he Black Turban?


That's got religious implication. We not exactly in a war against a religion... (please don't quote Bush saying "crusade" - he's an idiot.)
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