[katkinkate]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('musselj', 'a')s far as water is concerned
A. boil it!
B. well water!

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('arocoun', 'T')hose who favor a hard crash seem to believe that eventually, all of humanity will hold hands and create an eco-friendly, harmonious anarchy. And, they seem to grossly underestimate the grand change a hard crash would bring to their lives.

[arocoun]

PolestaR: It was a general vibe I got from everyone except you. You are the unmentioned anomaly.

[Micki]

PornstaR or what ever your name was. You prove again that the doom wishers are an ego tripped bunch who failed in this society and now hope for another chance. And your moral standards when it comes to wasting lives and stealing are no higher than the lowest ones I've ever heard of.
As much as I am against a hard crash, I would have no hesitation (neither do I think anyone in this forum does) in taking you down if you as much as whispered a threat. Let's see how much you enjoy it then.

[SoothSayer]

I too get hacked off on occasion with PolestaR ... but if you review his past posts they are generally perfectly OK.

However he does have his moments

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'P')ornstaR or what ever your name was. You prove again that the doom wishers are an ego tripped bunch who failed in this society and now hope for another chance.

[Micki]

Naeh your way off again.
I will do what is necessary to survive and to protect my family. The hard landing scenario is however not a preferred outcome to me.
You however have expressed that you prefer the worst case scenario and not only look forward to global misery but actively work for it to happen. That puts you in the anitchrist camp.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'N')aeh your way off again.
I will do what is necessary to survive and to protect my family. The hard landing scenario is however not a preferred outcome to me.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '.')..Others I know (who share my views) sure have failed at this "life" as we call it now...

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '.')..

Maybe we should do a vote here, whoever wants the soft landing, are you also religious? A christian maybe? Do you already have everything you need in life to survive fine?

[Micki]

PolestaR don't try to twist this into a religious or philisophical discussion. I personally believe the Bible is full of contradicitons and, particularly the old testament, full of anti-christian teachings.
This is not to say that I don't consider myself some kind of Christian. Just that you can't put me in any of the normal slots.

Actually i think there are a lot of christians out there who prefer a hard landing as they would see that as prophecies in the book of revelation coming true.

Similarly one would think that atheists would value earthly life as they do not believe in the spirit moving on.

Anyway, that is not what we want to discuss.


(Unless you think for instance random school shooting actually are fun) I just would like you to think a little about your statements.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Totally agree about the antichrist part.

A hard crash is where every man goes insane and starts killing people whilst they scrounge for their survival. Anything less than this is soft.

One of the main reasons I want anarchy and a hard crash is due to the fun and unpredictableness of it.

[willjones4]

Im sure there are lots of people out there who think like Polestar-they will be an element to be dealt with in the event of a hard crash. I do, however, think they will be outnumbered by families/clans/groups all too ready to defend themselves. They will be like the hyenas on the savannah-more losses than wins but they still survive...

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('willjones4', 'I')m sure there are lots of people out there who think like Polestar-they will be an element to be dealt with in the event of a hard crash. I do, however, think they will be outnumbered by families/clans/groups all too ready to defend themselves. They will be like the hyenas on the savannah-more losses than wins but they still survive...

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'P')olestaR don't try to twist this into a religious or philisophical discussion. I personally believe the Bible is full of contradicitons and, particularly the old testament, full of anti-christian teachings.
This is not to say that I don't consider myself some kind of Christian. Just that you can't put me in any of the normal slots.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'Y')ou are so right! Unfortunately! If you don't have anything now, you will have less than that in a post PO world.

[SeasonOfPain]

PolestaR, your argument is very logical, based upon your stated premise (which is a good thing). I think the problem here is that many are trying to get a handle on what the premise is that you're arguing for, i.e. what your core philosophy is.

You've defined your goals as "having more fun", and have loosely described this as something better than sitting in an office for eight hours a day. Can you elaborate on this? What kind of life would bring you happiness, and how do you see yourself in relationship to the larger population in such a life?

As for me, I personally think that while either type of crash will have the same net effect of reduced population, a soft crash will involve more net suffering, as it will be spread out over a longer period of time. I tend to think of it in terms of dying from a gunshot wound vs dying from terminal cancer (without the aid of painkillers).

A soft crash will also likely involve a greater depopulation of other species, as the survivors attempt to use up the last resources. Inhospitable climate change may or may not be inevitable at this point, but a soft crash would almost surely contribute further towards it.

I'm not especially looking forward to either scenario. I'm bound to wind up dead either way, as I'm physically unfit, and in search of a philosophy for continued existence. I'll try to help those I care about to survive. Beyond that, curiosity as to how this will play out is what currently keeps me going.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeasonOfPain', 'P')olestaR, your argument is very logical, based upon your stated premise (which is a good thing). I think the problem here is that many are trying to get a handle on what the premise is that you're arguing for, i.e. what your core philosophy is.

You've defined your goals as "having more fun", and have loosely described this as something better than sitting in an office for eight hours a day. Can you elaborate on this? What kind of life would bring you happiness, and how do you see yourself in relationship to the larger population in such a life?

[MadMarcus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '
')How is this possible unless you are very rich now? Post shit hitting the fan you will have the possiblity to claim land and live on it without having to worry about working for 30 years to do it. Of course land ownership won't be something which will be well respected and so there are security concerns regarding it. It all leads to a world which would be very unpredictable and keep you on your toes.

In my opinion one of the biggest items which adds to "quality of life" is some place to call a home. Whether that home is roaming your country or settling down somewhere. Unfortunately most people in this world have no place to call home, post SHTF it will be something in abundance again.

[Micki]

I don't have any issues either with what SeasonOfPain wrote.
I also believe both soft- and hardcrash are going to be bad and I am not sure which is worst. I just fail to see how bringing the worst kind of misery on to people can be fun.

PolestaR, what makes you think you are in control of your own life in a hardcrash scenario?
When a mob takes over your place, kills your familly and rapes your sorry ass, would you still think you are in control and can die happy?
If your parents die a painful death because there is no medicin, would that be unpredictable and fun enough?

I guess we can agree to disagree on these matters.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'Y')ou are so right! Unfortunately! If you don't have anything now, you will have less than that in a post PO world.