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"world is very close to, if not past, peak oil” - consu

Unread postby SoothSayer » Sat 06 May 2006, 04:04:04

On May 1 Petroleum News discussed ... with Alaska oil industry consultant Roger Herrera.

“I really have to believe that the world is very close to, if not past, peak oil,” Herrera said.

Coming from a background as an oil geologist in the days when there might be a one in 20 chance of striking oil with a wildcat well, Herrera was trained to be an optimist about finding oil. So, anticipating declining production really goes against the grain with him.

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Re: "world is very close to, if not past, peak oil” - c

Unread postby Jack » Sat 06 May 2006, 09:14:53

Good article, and well worth reading.

From the article:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')or does Herrera think that governments have any short-term options for alleviating the situation. For example, he does not think that pouring money into renewable energy will provide a solution — renewable energy sources just cannot provide enough energy.


Also, he suggests that oil prices will continue up - and that people will continue to buy gasoline with little regard for price.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')errera also doesn’t believe that increasing gasoline prices will have a major impact on people’s driving habits. He has recently returned from the United Kingdom, where gasoline prices are much higher than in the United States.

“UK gasoline today is $6.75 a gallon and you can find it for $7 a gallon if you want to,” Herrera said. “If you’re on a motorway it’s $10 a gallon. And is that curbing demand then? Not at all.”


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Unread postby Armageddon » Sat 06 May 2006, 15:06:10

He is a good geologist, but a terrible economist. If he doesnt think that high energy costs are going to be a factor, he is surely mistaken. High energy , added to the current US consumer and governmental debt, will collapse this entire financial system. We are already seeing school systems, and local governmental departments hurting already. We are on the brink of collapse.
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Unread postby mgibbons19 » Sat 06 May 2006, 15:33:04

Hmm, I kind of disagree. Recently returning from Iceland, where gas is >6USD/gal, I was struck by the same thing. High prices will not lower demand the nice rational way we are thinking. They will get higher than us peakers expect, ppl will keep trying to pay, until they can't.

What they won't do, is look at the somewhat higher prices, and think "I'll move close to work now" or "I think now would be a good time to try and open a mom and pop corner grocery."

That's what i think he means by 'higher prices will not lower demand.' Of course, higher prices will lower demand eventually, but not in the nice rational manner peakers might think.
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Unread postby SoothSayer » Sat 06 May 2006, 15:35:44

>> We are already seeing school systems, and local governmental departments hurting already. We are on the brink of collapse.

The infrastructure is indeed creaking already.

However I suspect that tax increases, cut backs of services, price increases and inflation will be the initial result.
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Unread postby TorrKing » Sat 06 May 2006, 16:00:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', '&')gt;> We are already seeing school systems, and local governmental departments hurting already. We are on the brink of collapse.

The infrastructure is indeed creaking already.

However I suspect that tax increases, cut backs of services, price increases and inflation will be the initial result.


It depends a little on how one defines collapse I think. My definition more or less equals anarchy. And that will not happen until people doesn't take anymore. When that level of agression will be reached is anyones guess. And I think there has to be a disfunctioning media system for such a thing to take off. Otherwise the masses will easily be swayed.

Consider this: Gasoline go up so much that maybe 30% of the population loses it's job. One of the power hungry lunatics on this site siezes the opportunity to carve his kingdom. He blames the government and big oil. And an uprise has been born.

Such a quickly growing uprise would have either of two outcomes: The government changes from democracy to police state and the uprise is brought down brutally. Or noone wishes to step up to "save" the country and the masses win only to let the country fall into civil war and division.

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Unread postby Jack » Sat 06 May 2006, 18:06:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Torjus', 'O')ne of the power hungry lunatics on this site siezes the opportunity to carve his kingdom. He blames the government and big oil. And an uprise has been born.


Or, he mounts a populist campaign targetting the rich and large corporations. He speaks of the sufferings of the working men and women of America, how their savings have been stolen by the rich, how they have been enslaved to pour more gold into the pockets of a few. He reminds the masses that the current sufferings are not their fault; they have been betrayed by their enemies.

He promises a "redeal", with the return of lower gas prices, higher wages, and health care for all.

He runs in an election and is elected by an overwhelming majority.

Not that I would ever engage in such tactics, you understand. But I could be brought on board as a consultant. 8)
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Unread postby Armageddon » Sat 06 May 2006, 20:59:07

We already are headed toward a police state. They are practicing for the real thing when anarchy breaks loose because of PO and/or financial meltdown.
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