[magician]

not to advocate things that might be illegal or lead to schitzofrenia but
*you could* do entheogens like morning glory seeds alot while playing violent video games. make little rituals and use the reboot function the entheogens give to your learned behavior patterning to reprogram your attitudes and psichology(hehe) regarding harsh realities, violence ect. train with your weapons on the mental level after becoming proficient at the range/sparring. anything is a weapon and anything is an extension of your will. learn about archetypes that are uber violent and cold about it. meditate daily. learn to seperate your waking/normal personality patterns from your selves during times of crisis. transjuxtapose said archtype patterns onto your psyche as a reflex. if you do it right you gain their abilities and awareness/knowledge.

for example i was working the counter awile back and some asshole walks in with a bag over his head and tries to rob us. immediatly I channel the adrenaline to my feet and pull the personality/character of george cloony's character in from dusk till dawn into my head. I handled the situation like a cold mutherfucker from a quinton tarrentino movie. no knife, no gun (next time though im gonna have "six little friends, and they can all run faster than you can") just a ballpoint pen and too much attitude. when it was over I released the pattern from my "self" and returned to my normal stasis.

live life on the edge. learn martial arts. learn to feel the shot. reorganize your head and thoughts about life and death. learn to shut off your emotions. learn about your reptilian consciousness. learn about chi, ka, aura ect. hack your brain. learn to dominate others in a variety of situations. walk in dark alleys because you OWN them. learn to fear no man. for this is the way of the warrior.
hope it helps,
frater coyote

[magician]

and yes i am a twisted fuck so there. save you the trouble.

[Ludi]

Wow, Polestar, maybe you need to desensitize yourself to criticism from others! And I don't believe you could get info about permaculture, etc from folks at Walmart. But I may be wrong. In addition, it's fairly irrelevant to me anymore whether I make sense to people, or contradict myself (which I don't recall doing in this thread, actually). But yeah.

Morning glory seeds never did anything for me, magician, have you had success with them yourself?

[magician]

you have to know what strains to eat. hypothetically of course, and for educational purposes only, not for ingestion. because any actual ingestion of LSA through seeds or otherwise would be illegal without a prescription. Lysergic acid amide is a schedule 3 drug that is prescribed as a vericose constricter. it is hallucinogenic at higher doses but you need to understand that to prepare it for ingestion from seeds would be illegal.

having said that, the "literature" and "anecdotal accounts" recomend (in order of potency from least to strongest):

1 heavenly blue
2 flying saucers
3 pearly gates


star of yelta is another but I have yet to find a good breakdown of its content.
hypothetically if the seeds were to be utilized by a maztec shaman, they were ground (about 300 seeds per 150lbs) into fine powder and soaked into just enough water to hydrate them. then they would be eaten. followed by nausea and hallucinations for 4-8 hours.

do not use "tall mixed colours"
no LSA content

again this is illegal and too much vein constricting drugs will artificially induce gangreen symptoms in the outer extremities. safe cieling for a 150 lb man is 600 seeds and thats pushing it. I do not condone or take part in drugs or any other illegal activities nor have I ever ever ever done anything that illegal so you shouldent either.

--fr coyote

[Ludi]

To my knowledge it isn't illegal, or if it is, has been made so very recently.

Of course all information we share is for information purposes only.

I don't think ingesting a mind altering substance would be much use in desensitizing oneself to experiences one expects to have during a non-mind altered state. Do you see what I'm saying? The normal mind would need to be trained, not the altered mind. This is akin to the difficulty people have of doing well on tests for which they have studied in an altered state, but taken the test in a non-altered state.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'I') was just wondering if anyone here knows any techniques to desensitive yourself to violence and death. Soldiers fighting in active wars and such get to see first hand death and killing, aswell as being the killers themselves sometimes. All of these skills *may* be useful post "SHTF", has anyone here done any preparation regarding this?

I have heard about some people preparing for gun battles by using paint guns on their properties with an "invading" force and a "defending" force. So that they get used to their properties and hopefully take advantage of it.

Personally I have started to view more death pictures and videos, mostly from internet sites like rotten or ogrish. Does anyone know if this method will work , at least somewhat?

[Ludi]

I agree with you so much MacG! I'm just not so good at expressing myself and tend to leap right for the "doofus" button.

Personally, I think the ability to cooperate with people in groups will be the most valuable skill, which will require increased empathy, not decreased empathy caused by desensitization.

But what do I know....

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') agree with you so much MacG! I'm just not so good at expressing myself and tend to leap right for the "doofus" button.

Personally, I think the ability to cooperate with people in groups will be the most valuable skill, which will require increased empathy, not decreased empathy caused by desensitization.

But what do I know....

[Barbara]

I don't see why should I vomit before it's really needed.

[arocoun]

There's only one legitimate reason to intentionally desensitize yourself, and that is if you're wanting to do something sick. If all you're planing on is maybe experiencing sick things, it's best to just let desensitization happen as it will. It may insure less overall emotional wreckage. The only people needing to intentionally desensitize themselves are those who definitely plan on killing and/or butchering.

I agree with Ludi that a better mental skill may be empathy.

[magician]

Actually i agree with MacG on being cooperative and loving as well. however I will contend that to metaprograme your mind to be desensitized to horrible things, one would be taking a huge shortcut with LSA. the reason I maintain the value of such a hypothetical tool is the role the drug and similar drugs like LSD play in the human psyche. when you take them, your brain sets off on a natural process (yes it can happen without drugs but they are triggers). your not exactly "high" and tripping is a stupid word. more accuratly your brains learned behavior patterns are rebooted cold and hard. very. the next 4-12 hrs (varies) are spent gathering information from ones environment and assimilating / reprogramming those learned behavior patterns. yes the walls shimmer and water takes on new meaning. this is the real reason such substances are feared by varias governments. symbols, sounds ect become vitally important as what you experience gets rapidly deep imprinted on your sub conscious (the wellspring of your reality). VERY deep imprinting. people can be brainwashed this way by manipulating their surrounding set and setting during these experiences. ritual and symbolism can be rigged and performed to change your life. quit smoking, drinking addictions bad hangups ect. more relevant to our thread, one could use such experiences to hack ones own brain. kind of like bypassing the operating system and executing straight assembly or binary code. machine code. if you want to be able to take some hard shit in life, you could hack your own head to toughen yourself up. all hypothetical of course, cobbled together from publicly available sources in the harvard psychology dept. if you walk the tight rope and slip its not my fault and I cant help you when you go nutzo. drugs are the handguns of enlightenment. going real fast in a farrarri will get you there alot quicker, but if you lose control you crash and burn.

--fr coyote

[magician]

and yes ingesting morning glory seeds (you have to crush them) would be legally similar to making vicoden in your garage. both lsa and vicoden are scheduled prescription drugs. to manufacter either (regardless of how complicated it is or how well it works) with the intent to manufacture a controlled substance for ingestion is pretty damn illegal. ive never heard of prosecutions but im covering my own (and your) ass here. again dont do illegal things, i never do.

--fr coyote

[katkinkate]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'P')ersonally, I think it is a stupid and unnecessary action to take.

I wouldn't want you anywhere near me knowing you have desensitized yourself to the misfortunes of others.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'P')ersonally, I think it is a stupid and unnecessary action to take.

I wouldn't want you anywhere near me knowing you have desensitized yourself to the misfortunes of others.

[magician]

yeah and lets not forget that there is nothing wrong with being a caring, cooperative, constructive, law abiding, and community minded individual who happens to have extra-ordinary abilities to deal with violence and a hard life. also capability to do violence does not signify a predilection towards violent behavior. just because you have a huge fucking hammer in your toolbox dosent mean its the only tool you are good at using. nor does it make the hammer the best tool for most situations. true power is knowing that you can but don't. unless of course you can't and wouldent and because of fear or some misguided morality fear those stronger than you.

--fr coyote

[Ludi]

Polestar, I consider myself an amoral person, so I'm not coming at this from a "moral" perspective, but from a pragmatic one. Magician (as a magician) spends a lot of his time (I'm guessing) hacking his brain and training himself to be capable of many experiences (which is fine), but, from my point of view, unless you have lots of spare time to devote to this kind of activity and actually DO balance it with equal time developing your skills of empathy and caring, spending your time "desensitizing" yourself is time wasted which (in my own personal opinion) could be spent learning more valuable practical skills. Magician has pointed out the dangers of messing with your brain. As someone with a pre-messed-with brain, I don't advocate doing much of this, from a health standpoint. Good health, especially good mental and emotional health, will serve you far better in times of trouble than any amount of "desensitizing." In my opinion.

[Daculling]

Ok, I don't understand why anyone would want to desensitize. Hunting is not a traumatic experience and self defence is automatic, it's built in. If your expecting a Nazi holocaust situation what good will it do in the end, your dead. If it's for warfare I'm sure you'll get the training.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('magician', 'y')eah and lets not forget that there is nothing wrong with being a caring, cooperative, constructive, law abiding, and community minded individual who happens to have extra-ordinary abilities to deal with violence and a hard life. also capability to do violence does not signify a predilection towards violent behavior. just because you have a huge fucking hammer in your toolbox dosent mean its the only tool you are good at using. nor does it make the hammer the best tool for most situations. true power is knowing that you can but don't. unless of course you can't and wouldent and because of fear or some misguided morality fear those stronger than you.

--fr coyote

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')ow, Polestar, maybe you need to desensitize yourself to criticism from others!

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'I')t would be very far from my posting practice here to call you things like Fu**ing id*ot or mo**n or naive or things like that.