[lutherquick]

I don't get it.

If I started to rely heavily on my credit, such as credit cards and home equity, who am I to blame?
Shall I blame the banks? After all, the banks are holding me hostage, right?

So why is it, that as the US, UK, and EU ramp up their energy consumption, they point at Russia, and say "you are black mailing me !!!!".

Now we have news articles comparing Cheney and Churchill, what an insult to late prime minister.

Let Georgia and Ukraine leave the CIS, let them build NATO bases, and let them blame Russia for their own incompetence, their own mismanagement, and delusions that peak oil isn't real. Follow Cheney, for it's Cheney and Bush that have such an excellent track record of securing all those wmd in Iraq, for arresting Saddam for doing 9/11, for sending American jobs to China because "it's a good thing", for solidifying such massive world peace starting in Iraq.

All this rhetoric from the Bush administration is equal to psychopathic thinking.
The fault and the weakness is in the consuming side, it's in the demand side, don't blame the supply side.

Why don't we just blame the dinosaurs and the vegetation from billions of years ago for not making enough oil.
Let's go back in time and pump some NGO money into dinosaurs regimes, and vegetation dictatorships, you know? for democracy.

Like Peter Dale Scott once said, it's the accountability that has been lost in America.

[dissident]

In contrast to the start of the cold war there is no ideological subversive threat being exported from Russia. Whinging by NATO states about oil and gas prices cannot be seen by the international community (the real one that makes up 85% of the world population outside of NATO) as evidence of a grave threat that needs to be dealt with. Increasing fuel prices from silly token values to realistic ones cannot be compared to exporting sedition and revolution.

NATO decision makers are hoping that Russia will fall apart from the blast of propaganda that they are sending its way. This shows how out of touch with reality these psychopaths are. Russians aren't going to subsidize NATO expansion and there is nothing NATO can do about it short of going to war. Unfortunately, war is probably going to be what NATO resorts to eventually since it cannot get fossil fuels for free by funding seditionists.

Every day it is becoming clearer that aggression against Iraq and now Iran is all about oil and gas. It is also apparent that alternative energy sources are simply not capable of replacing fossil fuels, for if they could then NATO would not waste blood and treasure chasing "obsolete" energy sources.

[lutherquick]

dissident,

What angers me is the hypocrisy from the west. The stench is unbearable.
I am a (born) US citizen and believe in the idealism of democracy, freedom, and equal rights, and this I have seen in Belarus and Russia.
In a heart beat, if there is war between Nato members and Russia, I will trash my fake, worthless US citizenship and fight on the "other" side.

The PNAC rattle on about virtues and democracy and human rights, who are they kidding?
If Americans were so noble and true to their beliefs, then stop taking loans and subsidies from Saudi Arabia (and other dictatorships).

It's the US that can't "walk the talk". Russia and former soviet states listened to the concept of democracy, then they implemented it, and they like it. They are "walking the talk".

What a bunch of fake phony frauds in America. America needs energy, period. This is a war about economics, not democracy. If America is protecting any democracy, she is protecting American democracy because democracy can't survive without cheap energy.

[Andy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dissident', 't') is also apparent that alternative energy sources are simply not capable of replacing fossil fuels, for if they could then NATO would not waste blood and treasure chasing "obsolete" energy sources.

[Kingcoal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lutherquick', 'd')issident,

What angers me is the hypocrisy from the west. The stench is unbearable.
I am a (born) US citizen and believe in the idealism of democracy, freedom, and equal rights, and this I have seen in Belarus and Russia.
In a heart beat, if there is war between Nato members and Russia, I will trash my fake, worthless US citizenship and fight on the "other" side.

[Zantarra]

I would hardly call Russia under Putin, a democracy. Nothing personal, I kind of like Putin, but it wouldn't be a democracy in a hundred years.

You revere Russia so, but if they'd won the Cold War they'd be in the US boots by now.

PS: Are you an agent of the KGB?

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lutherquick', 'd')issident,

What angers me is the hypocrisy from the west. The stench is unbearable.
I am a (born) US citizen and believe in the idealism of democracy, freedom, and equal rights, and this I have seen in Belarus and Russia.
In a heart beat, if there is war between Nato members and Russia, I will trash my fake, worthless US citizenship and fight on the "other" side.

[RonMN]

Lutherquick...you have made your view clear. If America is to fight...not only will you not fight for us...you WILL fight against us.

So why live this deception? Is it the monetary gain? Is it the freedom to speak?

Either way, you prove yourself a liar & a coward...let's see you go fight against the USA!

You're nothing but talk...a small, petty, and angry man who wants to BLAME!
Go ahead & blame...and remind yourself who's to blame every time you fill your car with gas...remind yourself every time you heat or AC your living space...remind yourself that YOU have no part in it all.

[lutherquick]

RonMN, Kingcoal,

My beef is with the US government's lies.
Do you realy believe in democracy? I do...
Do you realy believe nation's have soverinty? I do...
Do you realy believe in capitalism? I do...

So why you need to steel Russia's oil? Are you so desperate that you need to speak about democracy but act like a Stalinist.

I believe in freedom, and that includes Russians.
I see Hamas as a vote for democracy.
I see Moralis and Chavez as democracy, and Iran...

People are voting all over the worl because they hate America's hypocricy.

Weman in Saudi Arabia ride in trunks of cars, just like Afganastan... But what's the difficence? You wallet... So thi si what this is all about, economics... There are NO vlues in America where we say one thing and do the other... No honor, no truth... And until we have these, dip sh!t's like Cheney can't say peak oil and the flock like you can't open your eyes.

Go lycnh some more blacks, burn more witches or scalp more American Indians, for democracy.

[Kingcoal]

Lutherquick, what you are calling psycopathy is actually just politics. I might be bad politics, but it's still politics. I really think you should go and live in Russia or wherever for a year or so just to see for yourself that there's no place like home.

[master_rb]

Kingcoal and everybody else, don't feed the troll, let him have a few posts where nobody answers and he'll go away (hopefully).

[lutherquick]

Kingcoal

Go live in Russia, as I have, and maybe you will see, then, that their oil ain't yours...

Screw off...

[venky]

Hey Lutherquick, you make some good points about both Russia and the US.

But why do you have to come off so blindly partisan? Democracy in Belarus?, give me a break. You end up sounding like a russian version of rush limbaugh.

[lutherquick]

venky,

Give me a break... There is nothing that you can not do in Belarus that you can in the US, nothing... name me one...

And to be more specific, just even try to protest about Bush without geting a license to have your protest ...

Ask Cindy Sheehan...

I don't accept NGO money in Belarus... When China donated money to Clinton, people had a sh!t fit here in the US... Worried that foriegners were trying to manipulate the US election system...

Based on my knowledge, most of my familiy and freinds voted for Lukashenko... put all the NGO money you want, and still, they would vote for Lukashenko...

Belarusians look at Russia and they like the idea of a strong leader, Lukashenko doesn't have energy like Russia, but like Putin, Lukashenko will put up with no Cheney BS and will tell America to fvck off and stay out of their internal affairs...

It's the economy stupid... With good economics comes good democracy...

Me a Russian Rush? Sounds good but I still deal with reality. Russian oil belongs to Russians.

Everyone talks about Iran bombing Israel, this ain't going to happen... When America strikes Iran, let Iran bomb Caspian pipelines going to Turkey (they could walk to it).

This concept of draging resources all around the globe is too fvcked up... Consume everything localy, including oil, and all this distorted (US) foriegn policy, NGO money, and issues with Iran and the ME, and Russia and Ukraine and Georgia all stop... America will fail at all this, no doubt, and to that, I'm betting on the winner, those with the OIL...

[RdSnt]

Some very good points Lutherquick, particularly the movement of goods long distances "the 12 thousand mile salad, as it were,".

Yet we are all trapped at this moment with the inevitability of deadly violence and the only near term outcome.
Consuming locally is a very wise concept and will be forced on us all, however we have globally all exceeded our local carrying capacity and thus a very large number of people will need to die.
The large percentage of those will not go willingly. There is nothing inherantly evil about that, it is in our human nature to struggle of life if necessary. The evil that is upon us is the souless monsters among us who are exploiting that nature.
Dark times are upon us and the best we can do is attempt to sustain civilized conduct locally.

[basil_hayden]

LQ - you have it all wrong. The US isn't stealing Russian oil, the Russians are stealing US dollars.

BTW, is this the second thread you've been accused of being KGB? LOFL

[DesertBear2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RdSnt', '
')Dark times are upon us and the best we can do is attempt to sustain civilized conduct locally.

[sch_peakoiler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lutherquick', 'v')enky,

Give me a break... There is nothing that you can not do in Belarus that you can in the US, nothing... name me one...

[lutherquick]

sch_peakoiler,

I was an NRA memeber once, what a joke, these people are nut jobs... What do you need a semiautomatic for?

Here is a nice video on Americans and semiautomatics.

http://www.therussiansarehere.com/videos/USA/guns.wmv

I was also a republican for 20 years, and voted
PNAC accross the board.... My visits to Belarus and are plenty and more than you... The only Russian experts you got are those in need of US green cards and imigration papers, ask them, are there WMD in Iraq, they will say YES SIR, and solute you.

Democracy will only exsist with ENERGY, and America ain't got it. Energy doesn't garantee democracy, but the lack of energy garantees a dictator, enjoy your PNAC rule...

Don't post about me until you visited Russia and until you can reveal your name, I have nothing to hide, what are you are afraid of?

[sch_peakoiler]

lutherquick,

you asked for a thing you cannot do in Belarus and can do in US.

I named you one. There are many more other things as well.

You "debunk" those guys here in forum who confronted you in other Belarus threads as being anti-russian. Well you are pro-russian. And what? If we start calling names it won't lead us anywhere. As to Russia, can you read russian? you never answered this question before although asked twice! If you can not read russian then you can not get information from the first hand - from the people out there, from blogs, etc. And there are guys here who can!

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