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17 Reasons for Energy Prices' Peak

Unread postby veliger » Fri 05 May 2006, 09:58:00

Street.com

17 Reasons for Energy Prices' Peak

By Gary Douglas Smith
Street Insight Contributor
5/4/2006 3:31 PM EDT
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1. Noncommercial longs (speculators) are at an all-time high; commercial longs have been selling.

2. The put/call on oil recently hit 0.25.

3. Energy is all over numerous magazine covers.

4. U.S. demand for oil fell more than 2% in March, according to the American Petroleum Institute, even as economic growth boomed.

5. The Energy Information Administration recently said U.S. gasoline demand hit a wall and is now flat.

6. Sales for the Ford (F:NYSE - commentary - research - Cramer's Take) Explorer, America's top-selling SUV, plunged 42% in April.

7. Most investment managers are loaded up on energy-related companies and have bought into the hugely flawed Peak Oil theory, thus making the argument that energy-related companies deserve higher multiples more than ever before.

8. Demand growth in China and India has fallen off a cliff even as their economies remain strong.

9. There has never been a time in history when more people, for both political and financial reasons, perceived they benefited from high oil prices.

10. The media treats energy analysts and traders like rock stars, much the way they did the tech guys at the peak of the bubble in 1999-2000.

11. Energy insider selling hit a high for this cycle last week.

12. Calls for $100-per-barrel oil are commonplace, especially on Internet message boards.

13. U.S. oil supplies are approaching nine-year highs, even though economic growth has been robust.

14. Rather than talk about current supply and demand, most energy bulls use fear as their justification for ever higher prices.

15. The recent decline in energy prices is being met with skepticism and complacency by energy equity investors.

16. There has been no pickup in industrial demand for natural gas, even after an almost 60% plunge.

17. It is looking highly unlikely that a gasoline shortage will materialize this summer as a result of the switch to ethanol-based fuel.
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I welcome rebuttals; this seems to make sense to me.
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Re: 17 Reasons for Energy Prices' Peak

Unread postby Leanan » Fri 05 May 2006, 10:06:51

Please use the "link" button. (The one with the chain links.) Long URLs stretch the screen and make the whole page hard to read.
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Re: 17 Reasons for Energy Prices' Peak

Unread postby Starvid » Fri 05 May 2006, 10:24:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')2. Calls for $100-per-barrel oil are commonplace, especially on Internet message boards.


What message board might that be, pray? :lol:
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Re: 17 Reasons for Energy Prices' Peak

Unread postby Cynus » Fri 05 May 2006, 10:53:51

Didn't one of the principles at Berkshire-Hathaway point out that commodity bull markets historically run for 10 - 15 years? That's a response without relying on the PO argument.
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Re: 17 Reasons for Energy Prices' Peak

Unread postby NEOPO » Fri 05 May 2006, 10:58:44

Frankly this does not deserve a rebuttal yet I feel very compelled to say something nonetheless ;-)

Half of the 17 things this guy says would/should actually bring the price down.

Square peg round hole.

I am sure someone will pick this apart before the day is done.
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Re: 17 Reasons for Energy Prices' Peak

Unread postby Leanan » Fri 05 May 2006, 11:28:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')alf of the 17 things this guy says would/should actually bring the price down.


I think that's the point. He's arguing that prices are their peak now, and can only go down in the future.
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Re: 17 Reasons for Energy Prices' Peak

Unread postby big_rc » Fri 05 May 2006, 12:33:11

The real question should be whether this is a permanent or temporary price peak. Almost all of the reasons he stated where demand based reasons for the price to go lower (and pretty reasonable). Peak Oil is primarily a supply side issue and that is where the big issue is. Basically he says Peak Oil is BS so there will be no supply issues. That is where I think his analysis is flawed. Supply problems are going to overwhelm demand in the near future resulting in much higher equilibrium prices. That's the million dollar question (how much can demand shift to accomodate supply).
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Re: 17 Reasons for Energy Prices' Peak

Unread postby beechdriver » Fri 05 May 2006, 12:49:45

Let's looK at Gary B Smith's track record:

6/25/2005 - Fox Bulls & Bears - $70 oil is a long way off.

7/9/2005 - Fox again - Oil will be $40 by labor day.

9/22/2005 - Fox Cavuto - (Past Labor day) Now he says gas to stay high.

10/1/2005 - Fox Bulls & Bears - oil mid $50s by December.

Hahahahahaha - what a joke - and people pay this guy money for investment advice???

One day he might be right - but I think I would rather throw darts at the Wall Street Journal stock page.

Try writing down some of the stuff these guys say on TV and then check their records later on. Froelich is even a bigger joke.
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Re: 17 Reasons for Energy Prices' Peak

Unread postby kmann » Fri 05 May 2006, 12:52:10

Most of these points have a valid rebuttal. But the main rebuttal is that there is little, if any, surplus production capacity in the world. Coupled with instability and/or uncertainy in Iraq, Iran, Nigeria, Venuzuela, Russsia, US gulf coast... Prices will remain high until at least some of these problems are alleviated.
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Re: 17 Reasons for Energy Prices' Peak

Unread postby cudabachi » Fri 05 May 2006, 13:41:11

What big_rc said.
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Re: 17 Reasons for Energy Prices' Peak

Unread postby pup55 » Fri 05 May 2006, 22:34:21

I will try it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1'). Noncommercial longs (speculators) are at an all-time high; commercial longs have been selling.


Commercials have inventory storage constraints, since they have been loading up on crude all spring due to low refinery uptime. Speculators do not have the inventory issues.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2'). The put/call on oil recently hit 0.25.


4 times as many calls as puts is a bullish signal.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '3'). Energy is all over numerous magazine covers
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unrelated to geology.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '4'). U.S. demand for oil fell more than 2% in March, according to the American Petroleum Institute, even as economic growth boomed.


Terrible weather in March in the northeast US.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '5'). The Energy Information Administration recently said U.S. gasoline demand hit a wall and is now flat.


nope. We have been tracking this. Demand went down last week for the first time in awhile, but has been strong all spring, 1-2% over last year consistently. One week does not make a trend.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '6'). Sales for the Ford (F:NYSE - commentary - research - Cramer's Take) Explorer, America's top-selling SUV, plunged 42% in April
.

Consumer depletion. Anybody that wanted an SUV bought one last fall when the incentive programs were in place. No one has any money left. Savings rate is still negative. Consumer confidence is terrible.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '7'). Most investment managers are loaded up on energy-related companies and have bought into the hugely flawed Peak Oil theory, thus making the argument that energy-related companies deserve higher multiples more than ever before.

What if they're right?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '8'). Demand growth in China and India has fallen off a cliff even as their economies remain strong.

I would have to see the data on this one.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '9'). There has never been a time in history when more people, for both political and financial reasons, perceived they benefited from high oil prices.

False. For the bottom 60% of the US wage earners, oil is actually more expensive now, adjusted for inflation, than it was in the 1980's, because of the decline in real income for most of the population. He must mean the oilers in the administration and congress.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')0. The media treats energy analysts and traders like rock stars, much the way they did the tech guys at the peak of the bubble in 1999-2000.

I guess I am missing that one.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')1. Energy insider selling hit a high for this cycle last week.

They need the money to pay their legal fees. Also, Apr 15 was the week income taxes are due. These guys probably needed to raise cash to pay the feds.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')2. Calls for $100-per-barrel oil are commonplace, especially on Internet message boards.

Maybe they're too conservative. Last summer, everyone was calling for $60 and the price hit $70 during the hurricanes.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')3. U.S. oil supplies are approaching nine-year highs, even though economic growth has been robust.

The refineries have been down all spring.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')4. Rather than talk about current supply and demand, most energy bulls use fear as their justification for ever higher prices.

Huh? The Sec of Energy and the POTUS both are pointing to the demand issue. "the suppliers have lost control of the market", per Sam.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')5. The recent decline in energy prices is being met with skepticism and complacency by energy equity investors.

Which is correct, if there is a fundamental supply/demand issue, per #14.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')6. There has been no pickup in industrial demand for natural gas, even after an almost 60% plunge.

Welcome to springtime.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', '17. It is looking highly unlikely that a gasoline shortage will materialize this summer as a result of the switch to ethanol-based fuel. ')

That's because we are importing the hell out of gasoline. If it were not for imports, we would be in big trouble. Also, if a hurricane hits, we might be in trouble anyway.
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Re: 17 Reasons for Energy Prices' Peak

Unread postby pup55 » Sat 06 May 2006, 03:46:41

Per item 8 above:

China Demand

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Here it is. The notion that China's "demand has plunged" is just not supported by the data. It's increasing at 5.5% per year and growing faster than in 2005.
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