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Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby PolestaR » Thu 04 May 2006, 17:05:17

I was just wondering if anyone here knows any techniques to desensitive yourself to violence and death. Soldiers fighting in active wars and such get to see first hand death and killing, aswell as being the killers themselves sometimes. All of these skills *may* be useful post "SHTF", has anyone here done any preparation regarding this?

I have heard about some people preparing for gun battles by using paint guns on their properties with an "invading" force and a "defending" force. So that they get used to their properties and hopefully take advantage of it.

Personally I have started to view more death pictures and videos, mostly from internet sites like rotten or ogrish. Does anyone know if this method will work , at least somewhat?
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby Daculling » Thu 04 May 2006, 17:19:53

So what your attempting is a "pre tramatic stress dissorder"? It may be helpful but I can't say for sure. I've never had a problem viewing morbid photos but the first murder seen in "House of nine" really bothered me... check it out.

You can take it a step further if you like and shoot birds. Hunting does not count because that's for food.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby PolestaR » Thu 04 May 2006, 17:29:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'S')o what your attempting is a "pre tramatic stress dissorder"? It may be helpful but I can't say for sure. I've never had a problem viewing morbid photos but the first murder seen in "House of nine" really bothered me... check it out.

You can take it a step further if you like and shoot birds. Hunting does not count because that's for food.


Well I hope I don't get a disorder doing anything preparing myself. It's like taking a little bit of poison each day so eventually you become immune to it, I guess.

Nothing in house of 9 bothered me, I am very used to "pretend" movies.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby Daculling » Thu 04 May 2006, 17:38:52

I don't know, I think you have to be born with the "killer instinct" or go through very extensive training. I think controlling the adrenaline effect is the hard part. You really can't think straight in that state, it really is run or kill.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 04 May 2006, 18:01:33

Personally, I think it is a stupid and unnecessary action to take.

I wouldn't want you anywhere near me knowing you have desensitized yourself to the misfortunes of others.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby Nano » Thu 04 May 2006, 18:07:07

Give me a break! Even Kunstler says it 'll be at least TEN YEARS before any real trouble might occur. Go do your homework, or clean up your room or something!

... desensitising yourself ... GEEZ. Get some honest work done!
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby PolestaR » Thu 04 May 2006, 18:11:30

Didn't know this was going to be the thread separating the wheat from the chaff. Good work Nano and Ludi for showing the other soon to be dead people how to go about it.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 04 May 2006, 18:15:22

So you can look at pictures of dead people. Woopy-do, so can I, having worked in special effects shops on extremely violent horror movies. Big deal. I've also seen and touched a real dead body! Oooh! Have you, Polestar?

Don't be such an idiot.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby JPL » Thu 04 May 2006, 18:18:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'I') was just wondering if anyone here knows any techniques to desensitive yourself to violence and death. Soldiers ?


Hi,

Try raising, killing and gutting Chickens. Good PO practice and also gets 'it' (whatever your particular problem is) out of your system ;o)

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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby PolestaR » Thu 04 May 2006, 18:21:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')o you can look at pictures of dead people. Woopy-do, so can I, having worked in special effects shops on extremely violent horror movies. Big deal. I've also seen and touched a real dead body! Oooh! Have you, Polestar?

Don't be such an idiot.


Well I am glad you can contribute something to this thread. This isn't about how I feel about myself because of what I do, but rather techniques on how to desensitive myself to violence and death. I'm sorry if saying I go to those internet sites offends you or makes you think I am better than you because I don't feel that way about those things. Your need to claim how far you have gone also bewilders me.

Anyhow if you don't wish to be around people desensitised to violence or death I wonder how you will cope with yourself and family when it is forced upon you. I hear the foetus position is a good way to go.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 04 May 2006, 18:22:38

Nope, killing chickens doesn't "desensitize" one to violence and death. I do it, I don't consider myself "desensitized."

Polestar, if you want useful skills involving blood n guts, learn home emergency medical care, such as wound cleaning and how to stitch up an animal or a human. I've done wound care on animals large and small, and learned to stitch up small animals. These are useful skills. Involving all the icky oozy pus you might care to handle.

Not saying learning how to raise and butcher animals isn't useful, it certainly is. But not "desensitizing" in the way you seem to want.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby PolestaR » Thu 04 May 2006, 18:23:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'I') was just wondering if anyone here knows any techniques to desensitive yourself to violence and death. Soldiers ?


Hi,

Try raising, killing and gutting Chickens. Good PO practice and also gets 'it' (whatever your particular problem is) out of your system ;o)

JPL


Yes that is a good suggestion I have thought about previously but forgotten about. I am glad you brought it up in this thread. Unfortunately at this stage I'm not really in a position to kill chickens, but I think hunting animals for food is a good first step for dealing with death.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 04 May 2006, 18:25:56

No, I'm not offended, I just think you're wasting your time and being an idiot. I'm trying to be helpful pointing that out to you. Try taking some helpful advice once in awhile, instead of being such a childish goofball.

Man, unbefrikkinlieveable!

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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby PolestaR » Thu 04 May 2006, 18:30:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'N')o, I'm not offended, I just think you're wasting your time and being an idiot. I'm trying to be helpful pointing that out to you. Try taking some helpful advice once in awhile, instead of being such a childish goofball.

Man, unbefrikkinlieveable!

:roll:


Well thanks for really being able to say why I am wasting my time. Your own remarks which mirror your insults directed towards me sure show a person who is in control of what he does and highly intelligent whilst doing it. I'll be sure to listen to what you say in the future. Thanks again. </sarcasm>
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 04 May 2006, 18:33:00

I'm not sure what you're really trying to achieve. Do you really not want to care when family and friends die? or do you want to get rid of squeemishness? I've had numbers of family members and friends die. Growing older and having these people die happens to most folks (some of us earlier than others). One doesn't get "desensitized" nor does one need to.

Losing squeemishness comes with age too, I think. I used to be incredibly squeemish.

Maybe I just don't know why you think you need this desensitization. You may already BE desensitized if you think you need to desensitize yourself to deaths of family and friends. So you may already have some kind of emotional damage, it seems so to me from this thread.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 04 May 2006, 18:38:16

My "insults" reflect my frustration that someone would think this kind of timewasting activity (timewasting because unnecessary and potentially harmful) is somehow important.

See it as a reflection of my caring about you, as upsidedown and backwards as that might seem. :)
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby EnergyHog » Thu 04 May 2006, 18:49:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nano', 'G')ive me a break! Even Kunstler says it 'll be at least TEN YEARS before any real trouble might occur. Go do your homework, or clean up your room or something!

... desensitising yourself ... GEEZ. Get some honest work done!


Kunstler doesn't know economics. The USD crisis is hitting us before the oil crisis.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 04 May 2006, 18:53:04

And I apologise for being a dopey jerk. :)
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby PolestaR » Thu 04 May 2006, 20:00:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'M')y "insults" reflect my frustration that someone would think this kind of timewasting activity (timewasting because unnecessary and potentially harmful) is somehow important.

See it as a reflection of my caring about you, as upsidedown and backwards as that might seem. :)


So you think this is time wasting, but you have 4000+ posts on a forum full of doomers like myself, full of threads on how to better prepare ourselves. You have shown yourself to be someone that I personally think has an average IQ, if I wanted your kind of opinions I could go to WalMart and ask the cashier. I don't mean to upset you with this statement, it's just that your need to interject into threads you know little to nothing about and then insult the OP and start silly little debates whilst contradicting yourself tells me a lot.

I am *ALL* for people with opposing viewpoints which obviously you must have to what I originally said, however there are better ways to discuss your views, ways which don't insult people unnecessarily and even make sense. If all you want is attention and a place to put your diatribe there are better places than this forum, or even threads like this.
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Re: Peakoil: Getting ready by desensitising

Unread postby Chicken_Little » Thu 04 May 2006, 23:35:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'I') was just wondering if anyone here knows any techniques to desensitive yourself to violence and death. Soldiers fighting in active wars and such get to see first hand death and killing, aswell as being the killers themselves sometimes. All of these skills *may* be useful post "SHTF", has anyone here done any preparation regarding this?



When the zombies come, just head straight for the nearest large shopping mall. You can hole up there for a long time and it's not too difficult to dodge or kill the zombies.

You'll soon become hardened to the carnage and you'll have the run of all the stores into the bargain!
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