by ubercynicmeister » Tue 02 May 2006, 21:26:20
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'I')'ll tell you what it is, and I know I'm going to get yelled at by every woman on the board.
It's women's lib.
You won't get yelled at by me, and you'll get agreed "at" by one of the few men who was consistantly elected to the National Organisation for Women: Dr Warren Farrel. How wrote one of the most impressive books ever: The Myth Of Male Power.
If you wish for some really interesting insights into how women have consistantly shaped men over all of humanity's existance, then, please look there.
My own example is that of Prohibition in the 1920's. Who forced the United States (and therefore the rest of the Western World) into Prohibition? The Women's Christian Temperance Union.
United they weren't.
Temperate they were not, especially in their language.
Christian? Only in name.
But they were all women. And they forced Prohibition upon everyone.
To say that Prohibition was a flop is an UNDERSTATEMENT. In fact, it made people like Al Capone invincible. The corruption that was created by Prohibition was so great, with so much of the Police Force "bent", that they had to get an obscure Treasury Official by the name of Elliot Ness to try and clean it up. Because he was the only one who wasn't "on the take".
So horrified by the effects of Prohibition was the American people, (and don't forget, it was a Consitutional Amendment that gave prohibition it's power) that when the Feminist Movement (the real version, rather than the proto feminists (aka: the Suffragettes and the Women's Christian Temperance Union)) adopted as one of it's "bye-lines" the abolition of Prohibition, they were a shoe-in.
Please remember: from the late Renaiisance onwards, almost ALL alcohol serving establishments (beer halls, pubs, bars, taverns, inns, whatever) were owned by
women (as the History of Beer relates) so wherever you saw a man getting drunk, you saw a woman getting rich. The ownership of such establishments has lately passed from women to (mostly) corporations.
In EVERY case that Feminism has started up it has insisted that "men are (this or that) and they have to change to allow women to (insert your own words here)".
Take the modern workplace. The Feminists tricked all females into beleiving that that working is a "liberating" experience, that it's a really great thing. That it's "empowering" and "fulfilling". Also men had to be forced to allow women into the work place, because the work-place is the secret place men used to go to to have loads of power and influence and.... I can barely write these words without bursting out laughing, because they ARE so laughable. As Warren Farrell wrote: "If employers were handing out power, opportunity and fulfillment
they would not have to pay people to show up."
Think about it: it doesn't matter if you are a man or female - would
you continue to go to your place of employ if they stopped paying you to do so? I really DON'T think so.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou ladies screamed at the top of your lungs about how you wanted equality,
Ahhh, excuse me, but you're not allowed to use the word "ladies" because it's discriminatory. LOL, *I* don't think it's discriminatory, but I'm a man and therefore I know nothing.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')but you didn't want equality, you wanted superiority.
LOL, no, no no, NO, what the Feminist movement has offered is not "superiority", LOL, but a special version: freedom from personal responsibility. Feminism is not, in that sense "empowering" (hee hee, what an empty cliche that is!). No, it's "em-unreponsibiliting" if I can coin such an awkward word.
It is the removal of the idea from a person (in this case the female) that they must take responsibility (dare I say "owning"...another empty cliche?) for their own wrong actions.
Example: a woman by the name of Sheryl Lynn Massip got sick of her six-month-old-son's crying and carried him outside, where in front of horrified neighbours, she stuck the kid's head under the rear wheel of her motor vehicle. She then reversed over the kid's head several times, stopping and then going forward again, just to make sure she got it right. She then systematically covered the crime up (in spite of MANY eyewitnesses to the crime...yes murder's still a crime if it's done by a female, believe it or not). At her resultant trial, she insisted she had what's known as Post Partum Depression. This pompous term means, literally, she was sick of the kid's crying and wanted to shut the kid up.
Her sentence? Well, let's stop there and imagine what would have happened if she was a man - and had killed a kid because he didn't like the kid's crying? He'd go to jail for murder, and the standard sentence for the murder of a child is somewhere between 10 to 25 years. In some places, you'd get the death penalty.
BUT ONLY IF YOU'RE A MAN. Sheryl Lynn Massip's entire sentence consisted of counselling. She wasn't even
fined for murdering her own child.
In Australia, the most Feminist of Politically Correct nations, a mother and her sister (ie: the kid's aunt) got drunk one day and - as the mother was going through a very unpleasant divorce - decided to stick it to the hubby (erm, ex-hubby) by proving that he'd sexually abused the children, thus guarrenteeing the mother would get the custody of the kids.
So, how'd they do that? Well, they grabbed the kids (one girl, one boy) held them down and mutilated the genitals of the children with the tang of a file (sharp bit that usually is inside the handle of this metal-working impliment). They were not even charged with any crime. They were not arrested. The media complained because the Police hadn't treated the mother & kid's Aunt with more "understanding".
Contrast this with the Australian case of the man who was having sex with his own wife. She asked him to stop. He said he stopped straight away. She said it took him 30 seconds to stop. She rang the Police the next day and he was arrested and convicted of marital rape. He spent 4 years in prison.
Example: in Australia, if a married man ever raises his voice to his wife ( as in "Hey, I'm home!" in a loud voice) that's classed as
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. And you can go to prison, for raising your voice in greeting to one's loved ones. But Only If You're A Man.
But one of our nutty Feminist Judges by the name of
Pat O'Shane, link to story here beat her hubby up. Under State Law, she must be compulsarily arrested and charged with Domestic Violence. But she wasn't even questioned, because she's female. This is, mind you, in spite of the court-applied Apprehended Violence Order on her against "stalking or intimidating" her own husband. Indeed, not ONLY wasn't she charged, she was allowed to sit on the bench as a judge!
Can you imagine the OUTCRY if this were the case of a man?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ow you have it. Men are
AFRAID of acting like men because it's a one-way ticket to a sexual harassment suit.
by ubercynicmeister » Tue 02 May 2006, 23:18:33
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '[')url]http://books.guardian.co.uk/extracts/story/0,,1733547,00.html[/url]
That extract is one of the BEST things I have ever seen written. Please, please, please, everyone: do yourself a favour and go and read it, it is utterly jaw-droppingly honest (a rare commodity these days especially in Journalism).
Without a doubt the best bit of the article is the following (written, please remember, by a lesbian):
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Extract from 'Self-Made Man: My Year Disguised As A Man, by Norah Vincent'', '[')i]For these women, men as a subspecies - not the particular men with whom they had been involved - were to blame for the wreck of a relationship and the psychic damage it had done them. It's hardly surprising, then, that in this atmosphere, as a single man dating women, I often felt attacked, judged, on the defensive.
Many of my dates - even the more passive ones - did most of the talking.
I listened to them talk literally for hours about the most minute, mind-numbing details of their personal lives; men they were still in love with, men they had divorced, roommates and co-workers they hated, childhoods they were loath to remember yet somehow found the energy to recount ad nauseam. Listening to them was like undergoing a slow frontal lobotomy.
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If you have never been sexually attracted to women, you will never quite understand the monumental power of female sexuality, except by proxy or in theory, nor will you quite know the immense advantage it gives us over men. Dating women as a man was a lesson in female power, and it made me, of all things, into a momentary misogynist, which I suppose was the best indicator that my experiment had worked. I saw my own sex from the other side, and I disliked women irrationally for a while because of it. I disliked their superiority, their accusatory smiles, their entitlement to choose or dash me with a fingertip, an execution so lazy, so effortless, it made the defeats and even the successes unbearably humiliating. Typical male power feels by comparison like a blunt instrument, its salvos and field strategies laughably remedial next to the damage a woman can do with a single cutting word: no.
I can but agree. Please remember, the (above) quoted writer is a lesbian, dating other women.
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"To Get Rich you have to:
*Get up early;
*Work Hard;
*Strike Oil"
J Paul Getty
by killJOY » Wed 03 May 2006, 08:02:51
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') just have to wonder what could be going on in a man who never felt any lust for women. Beyond that, though, in spite of the pleasures of sex and orgasms, does it seem like a burden to any of you like it does to me? Does it seem like a burden to a homosexual too?
I appreciate your honesty--this is a good question, and as far as I'm concerned, the greatest scientific breakthrough to occur in our time will be the integration of a clearly non-adaptive (or, rather, non-reproductive) trait like homosexuality into evolutionary theory.
It's tempting to think there must be "something happening" psychologically with someone who's homosexual, but it's actually downright simple.
He's my correllary to your experience with the girl:
In sixth grade, we had those lift-top desks, and we used to paste pictures of our favorite stars to the undersides where the teachers couldn't see them. It was, of course, de rigeur to paste only opposite sex stars to your desk lids. I pasted pix of that chick from The Partridge Family whose name I can't remember. Anyway, the girl next to me adored Donny Osmond. One day she showed me a new pic of Donny Osmond waking up in bed one morning, shirtless, reaching over to turn off his alarm (all staged, of course). He had this
pile of black hair in his young masculine armpit. It was the first truly erotic experience I had, like a lightning strike to the pit of my stomach.
This sort of experience just never transpired with a girl. It happened with boys
all the time!
It's simply biological.
It is a burden, too, when you realize it's not . . .
kosher, shall we say, but you get over that real quick (for me it was when I was 23.)
Oh, Susan Day! That was the Partridge chick's name.
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by threadbear » Wed 03 May 2006, 19:45:55
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('worrier', '.')..Oh joy! Another rant against feminism. Poor men's lives are so miserable and it's all women's fault. It's a great feminist conspiracy!...Yeah right!
Reading through this very weird thread, and reading all the misogynistic raving, got me to thinking. In my long, wasted life, I've known a lot of people, and a hell of a lot of couples. I started thinking about all the busted marriages and serious relationships in which I knew the couples pretty well.
I came up with a list of 34 divorces and breakups. I could've thought of a few more, but that was enough. I wrote them down, and noted what the two people involved were each like.
I then assessed blame. I noted whose fault it was that the marriage or relationship failed.
Sorry, boys, but in 31 of the 34 breakups, it was all the fault of the jerkoff guy. In all but three of the failed relationships, it was because the lady just couldn't take her immature, selfish, stupid, inconsiderate, little punk husband or boyfriend.
In 31 out of the 34, you had a nice lady just lookin' for love, and a dumb moron making a mess of things simply by being his asshole self.
Rave on all you like, gentlemen, but my life experience paints a very different picture from yours.
I see we have some angler fish wannabes out there. Keep talking the talk, and when a big tough babe walks by, just latch on, Dude.
by killJOY » Wed 03 May 2006, 20:28:16
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')eading through this very weird thread, and reading all the misogynistic raving, got me to thinking.
It is, indeed, upsetting to hear some of this, considering how women are so important in my life (but then again, I don't wake up next to one every morning )
My mother is a true friend and confidante.
My little sister is my hero: single mom by 22, raised three kids herself, and very successfully.
My fiddling companion is one of my best teachers.
My neighbor, my mother's age, is the wisest person I know (and a left-wing atheist at that).
The best long-term straight couple relationships I know seem more like lasting friendships than marriages.
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