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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby Free » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 22:57:33

Yes cool picture, could somebody calculate the summarized graph of all the single graphs? Because now it's sort of not really clear how strong that downtrend is, some heading upwards...
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby BabyPeanut » Sun 23 Oct 2005, 08:36:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'Y')es cool picture, could somebody calculate the summarized graph of all the single graphs? Because now it's sort of not really clear how strong that downtrend is, some heading upwards...

The PDF doesn't have all the data that the chart shows. There's only six quartly data points the others are annual and averages. Where did the data for that chart come from?
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby BabyPeanut » Sun 23 Oct 2005, 09:35:27

I converted the table from the PDF into a spreadsheet and graphed it myself.
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby BabyPeanut » Sun 23 Oct 2005, 09:45:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', 'T')hat's a nice figure! The only one who looks like they are keeping up is BP. I wonder how much of BP's increase is from their 2003 purchase of TNK in Russia.

ENI (Italy) is keeping up. Wheren't they expelled from Venezuela though?
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby The_Toecutter » Sun 23 Oct 2005, 16:39:53

BP, that chart is showing about a 2.5-3% decline rate. That's about what I expected.

But even that kind of decline rate can turn out very disasterous, especially when the oil consuming nations refuse to switch to alternatives in effort to keep profit margins and incoming tax revenue maximized... Aren't we in for a bumpy ride? 8O
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby Free » Mon 24 Oct 2005, 18:21:37

Thanks for the work BP, that's as clear a "sentence" as one can get...
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby gary_malcolm » Mon 24 Oct 2005, 19:55:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', 'I') assume this is just oil or does it include condensate...quite common in the large companies...their production is large to begin with...to show reserves replacement...the investment community...difficult in oil ...targets are smaller...gas...year rates... continued dividends.


Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

READ: Oil Companies producing less than before.

Not potential, not maybe, not coulda-shoulda-woulda.

Less.
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby rockdoc123 » Tue 25 Oct 2005, 18:26:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')lah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

READ: Oil Companies producing less than before.

Not potential, not maybe, not coulda-shoulda-woulda.


Well if you changed that to some oil companies producing less you would be right...otherwise not.

To take a more in-depth look at this I put together info from annual reports for 43 multi-nationals and independents. The numbers plotted are Total liquids produced (oil and condensate). Note that Total numbers include various subsidiaries of companies like Exxon whereas the Consolidated values include only the Parent.

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Note that for the Top 10 producers (as of end 2004) only 2, Chevron and Shell show drop in total production year over year from 2002. This lost production is made up by the majority of the 43 that showed increases over the period 2000 - 2004.

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I also broke down BP into production by country over the period 2000-2004. As LadyRuby surmised the main increase in production was through the acquisition of TNK....all of the increase in production was in Russia and former CIS. The decrease at Chevron is not surprising either. In a study conducted in 2003 by Wood Mackenzie Chevron was found to be the only multi-national that had actually destroyed coroporate value during the period 1996-2003 through exploration. Because they were so unsucessful at exploration they were forced into the Texaco merger and then this year into the Unocal merger. Chevron has been a bit of a dismal story in terms of home grown exploration given that most of their pre-Texaco production was gained through the acqusition of Gulf Corp.

Contrary to the multinationals who seem to be growing through acqusitions there are a number of Independants who show year on year production increases through exploration, albeit at lower overall numbers (eg: Anadarko).

There were a couple of problems I ran into....for example I have no year end 2004 number for Yukos so I kept it the same as 2003. As well I was unable to find reliable production information for Petronas Carigali, Sonatrach etc. Looking at country production information over these same periods might help to fill in that information.
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby BabyPeanut » Tue 25 Oct 2005, 18:51:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', 'T')o take a more in-depth look at this I put together info from annual reports for 43 multi-nationals and independents.

Can you cite your sources?
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby rockdoc123 » Tue 25 Oct 2005, 20:57:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')an you cite your sources?


All numbers are collected from annual reports. I did not collect them personally....I have chimps...I mean staff that do that sort of thing :oops: :wink:

The country production I am putting together will come from 2 sources, IHS Energy compiled and World Oil published. These numbers are going to be much less reliable I'm afraid.
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Sand/Tar oil Extraction Companies

Postby senna » Sat 28 Jan 2006, 17:24:35

Hello,
This is a great resource site "Thanks Peak Oil" to ask questions of the future of oil exploration and maybe not have to depend on the middle east for N America's supply. I am looking for information on new publically traded companies involed in sand/tar oil extraction like Nevtah. I am looking into the companies X-Trac Energy Inc now UTAR Energy Inc. Any comments welcome...I look forward to reading the threads about this incredible new industry.

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Re: Sand/Tar oil Extraction Companies

Postby EnviroEngr » Mon 30 Jan 2006, 20:16:52

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Oilsand Extraction

Postby Snowrunner » Wed 01 Feb 2006, 03:30:45

Back in October I went up to the Oilsands in Alberta and took a tour of one of the mines. The video I shot is pretty crummy (imo), but I have it all tacked together and put online.

So, if anybody wants to see how the oil gets from the Sand to the Gasstation, have a look here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4639817526

This is around an hour long, but Google offers you to download it for local use.

Enjoy.

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Actual drilling methods - interesting

Postby grabby » Tue 07 Mar 2006, 17:14:27

Here is a nice post for the newbies like me, who don't really understand much about drilling, here is a short blurb.

the link follows.

maybe we can explain the various driling technologies and methods used in an ever decreasing oil drilling adventure... So we can understand the difficulties...

Anyway I thought it was real cool.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('somearticle', '
')Moose-1 is sited about 100 kilometres north of the tip of the Gulf of Papua, and has a planned depth of 1700 metres. If Moose-1 was sited in the Cooper Basin, InterOil could drill the last 600 metres before the Moonee Valley Cup, but at the rate it's been going it'll be lucky to make it by next Easter.

Pierpont's expertise in oil exploration technology is slight, but his stockmarket experience is that wells which have a long, troubled drilling history rarely turn into gushers.

That's a silly statement, of course, because oil gushers stopped happening half a century ago, even before James Dean struck one in Giant. Modern blow-out preventers keep the oil in the ground until it can be pumped out and sold.

One point which worries Pierpont about Moose-1 is that it doesn't look like a gusher. Although the well has found oil, he has seen no reports that the oil is able to flow to the surface. In late August, InterOil announced that Moose-1 had found 14 occurences of live oil (which means drops rather than stains) over an intersection of 135 metres.

Jolly good, but the announcement went on to say there was insufficient data to say whether the discoveries were of commercial significance. Many wells in PNG have encountered live oil and been uncommercial. As far as Pierpont is concerned, live oil doesn't mean much unless it flows.

So the oil may be alive, but it's not moving up and that could be a problem. Moose-1 has been drilled through limestone and shale. Oil can be found in limestone formations, which sometimes produce quite good oilfields.

However, limestone formations also contain holes and sometimes even caves and these are most unhelpful to a would-be oil producer.

If an exploration drill hits a hole, the driller has to pump down cement until the hole is filled if he wants to drill ahead. If the hole turns out to be a cave, it might require an awful lot of cement. Moose-1 struck a few holes on the way down.

InterOil's chief executive, Phil Mulacek, told Pierpont that the drillers had to plug the limestone holes with about 100,000 barrels of mud.

In some spots they had been losing mud at the rate of 3000 barrels an hour.

Phil said that was good, because if the formation could take mud at that rate, oil could flow back at the same effective rate.


here is the linkd so you can read the whole thing...

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New extraction tech to double accessible world oil

Postby lorenzo » Wed 03 May 2006, 17:11:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Increasing Oil Supply

New extraction technologies could as much as double accessible world oil.

The amount of accessible oil worldwide could eventually be increased by roughly 30 percent with the help of new drilling, imaging, and oil extraction technologies, including the use of microbes, say MIT researchers. Theoretically, this number could be even higher; in a best-case scenario, the amount of oil that could be produced would double.

http://www.technologyreview.com/read_ar ... 16767&pg=1


Long article in the MIT Technology Review about increased recovery through newest techniques.
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Re: New extraction tech to double accessible world oil

Postby killJOY » Wed 03 May 2006, 17:31:00

The subtitle of this article is "Fun With the Word 'Could.'"
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Re: New extraction tech to double accessible world oil

Postby auscanman » Wed 03 May 2006, 17:32:48

No technologies in the article sound like they are anywhere near being commercially feasible. The stuff towards the end of the article really sounds like a pipe dream. It'd be great if microbes could actually chop off long hydrocarbons, but that's got a long way to go.

I almost hope none of these developments pan out, since they would lower the price of oil, act as a disincentive for development of alternative energies and eventually lead to cliff oil with a presumably much larger population and worse environmental and climatic degredation, rather than the slow dropoff currently expected within the next few years
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Re: New extraction tech to double accessible world oil

Postby MacG » Wed 03 May 2006, 17:37:56

Yea, yea. Great, Even if it's true, then what? Fossil is fossil. Hubbert nailed it in Science in '49. Fossil run out.

Listen here: I know you are scared. I'm scared too. It is much worse before it happen. As soon as it happen, it's just a matter of coping with it, and it's much easier just of a sudden. Like riding a rollercoaster - the way up is the worst. As soon as it starts the downslope, you stop worrying and start enjoying the ride. We all know where it will end, dont we?
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Re: New extraction tech to double accessible world oil

Postby EnergyHog » Wed 03 May 2006, 18:13:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'Y')ea, yea. Great, Even if it's true, then what? Fossil is fossil. Hubbert nailed it in Science in '49. Fossil run out.

Listen here: I know you are scared. I'm scared too. It is much worse before it happen. As soon as it happen, it's just a matter of coping with it, and it's much easier just of a sudden. Like riding a rollercoaster - the way up is the worst. As soon as it starts the downslope, you stop worrying and start enjoying the ride. We all know where it will end, dont we?


Right the f*ck on Scandinavian dude.
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Re: New extraction tech to double accessible world oil

Postby Concerned » Wed 03 May 2006, 18:16:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'T')he subtitle of this article is "Fun With the Word 'Could.'"


LOL thats exactly what I thought. Sprinkle in the odd "theroretically"
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