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THE Ralph Nader Thread (merged)

Postby Graeme » Wed 03 May 2006, 00:57:42

Ralph Nader: Break Up the Big Oil Cartel
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat a week it has been for the giant oil companies! Billions in record quarterly profits rushing into their coffers. An even bigger round of quarterly profits coming up. Gargantuan executive pay bonanzas. And a pile of "forces beyond our control" excuses to publicize in response to the empty outrage of Washington politicians and the real squeeze on consumers and small businesses.

Oil man Bush, atop his administration marinated with ex-oil executives in high positions, keeps saying there is little he can do. It is the market of supply and demand. Only fuel cells and hydrogen sometime down the 21st-century road can save the country from dependency on foreign oil, he says repeatedly. Plus more drilling in the Arctic Wildlife Refuge.

The small business revolt can start with several hundred economically squeezed truckers bringing their 18 wheelers to Washington in a protest that encircles in a wide arc the Congress and the White House and the federal buildings in between. Now that would be more than a message. It would be an irresistible visual image for the television cameras day after day.


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Re: Ralph Nader: Break Up the Big Oil Cartel

Postby joewp » Wed 03 May 2006, 01:04:36

Ralph Nader: Break Up the Big Oil Cartel

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The small business revolt can start with several hundred economically squeezed truckers bringing their 18 wheelers to Washington in a protest that encircles in a wide arc the Congress and the White House and the federal buildings in between. Now that would be more than a message. It would be an irresistible visual image for the television cameras day after day.


A lot of good that will do, Ralph. It would waste a lot of diesel. No chance that oil is a finite resource and we're near the peak of extraction, huh? What little respect I had for you is gone. You're as much a tool of the growth machine as any developer.

Who knew Nader was this clueless?
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Re: Ralph Nader: Break Up the Big Oil Cartel

Postby emersonbiggins » Wed 03 May 2006, 01:04:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he small business revolt can start with several hundred economically squeezed truckers bringing their 18 wheelers to Washington in a protest that encircles in a wide arc the Congress and the White House and the federal buildings in between.


...what better advertisement for expanding freight rail networks!

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Re: Ralph Nader: Break Up the Big Oil Cartel

Postby jaws » Wed 03 May 2006, 02:02:07

Did Nader just endorse the war on Iraq? :twisted:
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Re: Ralph Nader: Break Up the Big Oil Cartel

Postby dub_scratch » Wed 03 May 2006, 03:16:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '[')b]Ralph Nader: Break Up the Big Oil Cartel

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat a week it has been for the giant oil companies! Billions in record quarterly profits rushing into their coffers. An even bigger round of quarterly profits coming up. Gargantuan executive pay bonanzas. And a pile of "forces beyond our control" excuses to publicize in response to the empty outrage of Washington politicians and the real squeeze on consumers and small businesses.


There we go again. Let's bash the greedy oil companies who now are just beginning to close the price-per-volume gap with Coca-Cola. Oh, and those greedy consumers who squander most of the oil they use on cars, Mr. Nader comes to their defense and demands that the last dregs of dwindling energy be given away to them for almost nothing.

Of course when gasoline is cheap, our worthless liberal village idiot, Nader, will go on about how we are destroying the environment with-- you guessed it-- cheap gasoline. If these types of people really cared about the environment more then the spotlight that comes with criticizing the corporations, then they should be ecstatic about $75 and $3.50 gasoline. If Nader was a true leader, he would direct his criticism on our wasteful consumption patterns and try to suggest meaningful changes we need to make.

This commentary is proof that Nader is nothing more than a populist asshole willing to score points on Big Oil bashing when the opportunity arises.
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Re: Ralph Nader: Break Up the Big Oil Cartel

Postby Zardoz » Wed 03 May 2006, 03:24:50

Funny, Ralph didn't mention anything about his complicity in putting Dubya in the White House by siphoning off votes from Gore in 2000.
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Re: Ralph Nader: Break Up the Big Oil Cartel

Postby mekrob » Wed 03 May 2006, 06:45:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he small business revolt can start with several hundred economically squeezed truckers bringing their 18 wheelers to Washington in a protest that encircles in a wide arc the Congress and the White House and the federal buildings in between.


Oil Storm, anyone?
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Re: Ralph Nader: Break Up the Big Oil Cartel

Postby Yavicleus » Wed 03 May 2006, 12:30:01

As the saying goes, "When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
...delenda est.
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Re: Ralph Nader: Break Up the Big Oil Cartel

Postby XOVERX » Wed 03 May 2006, 12:53:26

Nader's old. Obviously out of touch. And uninformed, to boot.
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Re: Ralph Nader: Break Up the Big Oil Cartel

Postby 0mar » Wed 03 May 2006, 13:10:16

The thing I don't understand is that every single sector of the economy is allowed to profit except for oil. When oil companies profit, something illegal/unethical must be going on. The #1 priority of a corporation is to post higher and higher profits each quarter/year. ExxonMobil is no different. We don't get all huffy and puffy when any other sector in the economy posts record profits, in fact, we laud them.
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Re: Ralph Nader: Break Up the Big Oil Cartel

Postby mekrob » Wed 03 May 2006, 14:05:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he thing I don't understand is that every single sector of the economy is allowed to profit except for oil. When oil companies profit, something illegal/unethical must be going on. The #1 priority of a corporation is to post higher and higher profits each quarter/year. ExxonMobil is no different. We don't get all huffy and puffy when any other sector in the economy posts record profits, in fact, we laud them.


Come on Omar. That's just silly talk. Oil companies steal the money from our pockets to make their high profits. It's not like people are complicit in the transaction. Silly Omar. :roll:
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Re: Ralph Nader: Break Up the Big Oil Cartel

Postby mjdlight » Wed 03 May 2006, 14:34:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', 'T')he thing I don't understand is that every single sector of the economy is allowed to profit except for oil. When oil companies profit, something illegal/unethical must be going on. The #1 priority of a corporation is to post higher and higher profits each quarter/year. ExxonMobil is no different. We don't get all huffy and puffy when any other sector in the economy posts record profits, in fact, we laud them.


I've always wondered about this myself. The only answer I've been able to come to that feels somewhat satisfactory is that in America oil = LIFE, like no other product.

Quothe the American Consumer:

"So you want to charge $4.50 for a cup of coffee with some sugary syrup in it and make a killing? Knock yourself out.

But when you profit off my LIFEBLOOD, I will scream bloody murder when I feel the pain at the pump!! Parasites!!!"
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Re: Ralph Nader: Break Up the Big Oil Cartel

Postby pea-jay » Wed 03 May 2006, 15:19:19

I used to have respect for old Ralphie. Unfortunately his has slipped further and further out of touch with reality. Instead of bashing oil companies like the rest of the politicians, he could be out bashing car companies for continuing to produce grossly inefficient cars. Or our wasteful lifestyle. If he really wants to chide business for something, how about Globalism? Their desire for companies to outsource jobs and insource labor (mass immigration) is far more detrimental than the actions of whats left of big oil.

Instead he has decided to follow the herds. Nader is irrelevent. Go home ralph.
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Ralph Nader sues the Democratic Party

Postby Plantagenet » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 20:48:16

Accuses them of conspiring to keep his third party off the ballot

dems conspired against Nader

I think its obvious the dems conspired against Nader and other third parties, but is it illegal? :roll:
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Re: Ralph Nader sues the Democratic Party

Postby Plantagenet » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 21:14:06

Nader got hit with some dirty tricks, sure, but that is just part of politics. The dems think third parties take their voters and cost them elections, so they conspired with other groups across the U.S. to keep Nader's third party of the ballot but is that a crime or just politics?
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Re: Ralph Nader sues the Democratic Party

Postby jboogy » Wed 31 Oct 2007, 14:19:58

The details are all academic at this point Plantain , our system of electoral politics is broken . We have the MSM conspiring with major corporations and current politicians to keep ALL unapproved candidates from having a chance . The only way a third party guy can get noticed is by spending huge amounts of his own money or having good name recognition to start with . The MSM have failed us.
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Re: Ralph Nader sues the Democratic Party

Postby threadbear » Wed 31 Oct 2007, 15:06:51

Further to your comments, JBoogy, the media coronation, pre-election, has Ghoul-iani (It is Halloween, after all :lol:) in a horse race with Hillary. Hillary is one of the few dem nominees who can be handily defeated by the Ghoul.

John Edwards, a highly photogenic candidate with charisma and a dying wife (what could be better for ratings) pulled numbers indicating he could garner the democrat AND the republican majority. Truly, Edwards republican numbers are 55%! He's the populist they fear, as is Ron Paul.

I'm not a huge fan of Edwards, though he does seem to be the least worst bet after Ron Paul.

Hillary is the designed to fail candidate, as was John Kerry and Gore before him. Though the elections were rigged, the fact that weak candidates are championed by the media, while the strong ones are ignored or slimed, speaks volumes.
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Re: Ralph Nader sues the Democratic Party

Postby threadbear » Wed 31 Oct 2007, 15:12:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'N')ader got hit with some dirty tricks, sure, but that is just part of politics. The dems think third parties take their voters and cost them elections, so they conspired with other groups across the U.S. to keep Nader's third party of the ballot but is that a crime or just politics?


The media doesn't like the idea of fairness creeping into the body politic. A libertarian candidate, who doesn't support the military industrial entertainment complex will always be slimed, be they left, right or independant. It's not purely a left/right battle. Ron Paul is being aggressively ignored by the media, as well.

The democrats should be horse whipped. Terry Macaullife ruined the party, a couple of decades ago.
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Re: Ralph Nader sues the Democratic Party

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 31 Oct 2007, 15:14:07

I agree, Boo.

The collaboration between the dems and repubs and the MSM and the giant corporatocracy is a big reason we need the freedom in the US to have viable third party candidates when the major parties nominate boobs like Kerry and Bush in 2004.

Nader is fighting to save third parties. By filing a lawsuit against the dems he is still "fighting the good fight" to help the little guy, just like he always has done. :)
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Re: Ralph Nader sues the Democratic Party

Postby holmes » Wed 31 Oct 2007, 15:20:55

at this point anyone aiding and abetting the dems or the repubs need to be tried for treason and sedition and hung or be shot by firing squad.
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