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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby clueless » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 13:22:33

Yes that is a strange paradox,

It seems the earth has a predetermined purpose, doesn't it ?

I like how Heinberg analyses the fact that through most of human history calories expended just about equaled calories consumed, until the ICE.

I believe that is why Industrial Civ. will ulimately collapse, because it is not the way the Earth was designed, nor is it sustainable. God even told Adam in the Garden of Eden - By the sweat of your brow you will now survive, fighting the weeds and thorns.

Not too much of that type of existence occurring in the Western "civilized" world.
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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 15:31:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'S')atan himself cannot take physical form


Of course he can. Haven't you ever see Constantine?
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...or The Devil's Advocate
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...or Angel Heart?
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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby EndDays » Sat 29 Apr 2006, 17:05:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'c')harlesfinney_99 - Attempting to keep the law is not only unattainable, but will put you in hell.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


Exactly. Amen to that!

That's why I have the www.needgod.com link in my sig. None of us are worthy of Heaven, we've all broken God's Commandments.

But that's why He came down, suffered, and died in our place. Jesus Christ was the atoning sacrafice for our sins.

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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby Lighthouse » Sat 29 Apr 2006, 21:37:10

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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby Lighthouse » Sat 29 Apr 2006, 21:39:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'c')harlesfinney_99 - Attempting to keep the law is not only unattainable, but will put you in hell.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


Amen Brother! I love god's concept of free will: if you don't do as I said You go to hell and will be tortured forever. (Forever is a very long time you know)
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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby EndDays » Sun 30 Apr 2006, 10:10:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'c')harlesfinney_99 - Attempting to keep the law is not only unattainable, but will put you in hell.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


Amen Brother! I love god's concept of free will: if you don't do as I said You go to hell and will be tortured forever. (Forever is a very long time you know)


God did not create Hell for us, He created it for Satan and the fallen angels. (Mat 25:41)

God is Holy and Perfect, He cannot be around sin or He'll consume it. That's why we're seperated from Him right now. No matter how hard we try, we're all guilty of breaking His Commandments. That's why we need a Saviour! If any of us were to stand in front of God on Judgment Day, we're all guilty! Look at the 10 Commandments and how many of them you've broken.

Because of this guilt, God will have to send us to Hell. That's not His will, but being Perfect and Righteous, He will enact Perfect Justice. Without Jesus Christ on Judgment Day, who paid the penalty for our sins, we'll end up in Hell!

Why do you think preachers are telling people to repent and turn from sin and put their trust in Jesus Christ? Its been preached for 2000 years, its still being preached today.

This is serious, serious stuff people!

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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby Lighthouse » Sun 30 Apr 2006, 10:23:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '.')..

God did not create Hell for us, He created it for Satan and the fallen angels. (Mat 25:41)



Are you saying god created everything?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '.')..

Why do you think preachers are telling people to repent and turn from sin and put their trust in Jesus Christ? Its been preached for 2000 years, its still being preached today.

This is serious, serious stuff people!

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Yeah and they always ask for your credit card...
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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby Lighthouse » Sun 30 Apr 2006, 10:31:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'S')atan himself cannot take physical form


Of course he can. Haven't you ever see Constantine?
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...or The Devil's Advocate
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...or Angel Heart?
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don't forget Bedazzled

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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby EndDays » Sun 30 Apr 2006, 13:36:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '.')..

God did not create Hell for us, He created it for Satan and the fallen angels. (Mat 25:41)



Are you saying god created everything?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '.')..

Why do you think preachers are telling people to repent and turn from sin and put their trust in Jesus Christ? Its been preached for 2000 years, its still being preached today.

This is serious, serious stuff people!

ED


Yeah and they always ask for your credit card...


If you're thinking God created evil, He did not. Evil is simply the absense of good. With free will, we make our own choices, even ones that take us away from God or break His Commandments.

I'm not asking for any money or a credit card. The preaching is free and the choice is yours.

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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sun 30 Apr 2006, 13:58:23

Satan doesn't care if you are holy or pure, if you abstain or not. It just means you'll make really good fertilizer. Are you all so very self-absorbed, and self-important to think that you could matter in such a grand scheme? That when all hell is reigning that anyone will give you a second thought? wow, wake up and smell the brimstone.
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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby EndDays » Sun 30 Apr 2006, 17:43:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'S')atan doesn't care if you are holy or pure, if you abstain or not. It just means you'll make really good fertilizer. Are you all so very self-absorbed, and self-important to think that you could matter in such a grand scheme? That when all hell is reigning that anyone will give you a second thought? wow, wake up and smell the brimstone.


Satan's future has already been determined...

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." (Revelation 20:10)

Our eternal future is one of two possible locations based on two outcomes...

Those who die in their sins... "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Rev 21:8 )

Those who have repented and accepted Christ as their Saviour will live in the New Heaven and New Earth where "...God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby Lighthouse » Sun 30 Apr 2006, 18:53:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '
')If you're thinking God created evil, He did not. Evil is simply the absense of good. With free will, we make our own choices, even ones that take us away from God or break His Commandments.



So you are saying god did not create everything?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '
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I'm not asking for any money or a credit card. The preaching is free and the choice is yours.

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Are you a preacher by trade?
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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby EndDays » Tue 02 May 2006, 18:14:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '
')If you're thinking God created evil, He did not. Evil is simply the absense of good. With free will, we make our own choices, even ones that take us away from God or break His Commandments.



So you are saying god did not create everything?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '
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I'm not asking for any money or a credit card. The preaching is free and the choice is yours.

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Are you a preacher by trade?


I'm not a preacher, I'm just a concerned Christian.

God didn't create evil, its not a creation. "Good" comes from God, as He is perfect and Holy. In His absence, evil exists because it is straying from God.

For instance, Heaven could be the complete presence of good and God (i.e. the best pleasure, the best smells, the best of everything.) Hell could be the complete presence of evil and absence of God. (i.e the worst tortures, the worst pain, the worst smells, the worst everything.)

Right now, we're in the middle of a battle between good and evil and we have a choice to make. We can go on pretending God is not angry at sin and we won't be punished forver in Hell for it, or we can repent and trust in His Son Jesus Christ who took our punishment on Himself.

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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby Lighthouse » Fri 05 May 2006, 02:07:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '
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God didn't create evil, its not a creation. "Good" comes from God, as He is perfect and Holy. In His absence, evil exists because it is straying from God.

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ED



ED you definitely should spend more time reading your bible.

Isaiah, chapter 45:5-8 (especially 7!)

5: I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
8: Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby EndDays » Fri 05 May 2006, 08:12:39

I'm very familiar with people quoting that verse to try to show God creates evil, but God is not talking about moral evils here. Even by reading 45:7 something is not right. The opposite of light is darkness so the opposite of peace would certainly not be evil.

The original translation for "evil" here is the word "rah".

Here's a link which explains it well and the other Hebrew meanings for the word scattered in the Bible.

http://www.carm.org/diff/Isa_45_7.htm

So, no, God does not create evil.

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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby parsifal » Tue 23 May 2006, 10:51:52

Satan must consider humanity to be a ship of fools. Why should a Deity want to go to the wall for humanity? Excrement. Strife. Copulation. Smash. Grab.
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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby Teclo » Sun 04 Jun 2006, 06:07:44

Wouldn't satan want to destroy the world?

If Satan came along and brought peace then he wouldn't be Satan anymore, he'd be God

If we only hear about Satan from the bible we get a biased view, it might turn out Satan is entirely reasonable, and not an evil being at all. Maybe he hates the name Satan, maybe he is a she

Could it be Mother earth after all this time is the one man hates?
The craziest religion would want to destroy the earth - and we are

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Re: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world..

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 04 Jun 2006, 08:00:04

I do not have much faith in Good v. Evil concept.

1. If you steal someones cow it is good (eg for your starving children who was NOT taking a part in this venture).

2. If someone steal your cow it is evil (again for your starving children...)

Both of those acts are evil (for the police or local priest).
Both of those acts are good (for some youth subculture).
Both of those acts are neutral (for the cow).
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