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Unread postby Wells » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 00:18:37

Hi All,
I'm not sure if this has been asked here before, but I will inquire anyway:
What do you think of these "new" products that have come out and have been broadcast in the media as "money savers"? There is a company in the USA that is called BioPerformance Inc. that claims its "fuel pill" can increase your mileage by up to 25%! I find this very hard to believe. They will not disclose the ingredients of the pill, and they will not patent it. Is this a scam? or is it legit? This was the site I found: www.go-bp.com but I see that there are many others toting their product. It looks like they are multi level - big surprise.

Anyone here tried their pill? Did it work?
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 00:23:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wells', '.')..Is this a scam? or is it legit?


I remember reading about miracle stuff like this when I was a little kid, and that was a long time ago. Countless variations of this scam have been run.

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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby americandream » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 00:47:31

With Peak Oil will come peak scams....caveator emptorrrrrrrrr.
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby coyote » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 00:58:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wells', 'A')nyone here tried their pill? Did it work?

Nope. Tried a red pill, but not this one...
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby grabby » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 01:23:03

If you try it, then you fell for it.

If everyone in AMerica tries it just one time, then they would have 2 billion dollars income, not bad huh?

Energy comes from breaking chemical bonds in a process called burning. the most concentrated fuel in the world is Gasoline and diesel that is why we use it.

nothing is more compact than that.

It is the gold standard, and it is running out.
this is what the peak oil problem is all about.

I think that Dynamite and TNT is slightly more powerful but not by much per unit weight.

Actually diamonds are the most potent fuel chemically per weight, but they are a bit expensive and they wear out your cylinder walls.
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby PolestaR » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 01:48:19

I think most of these fuel additives simply increase the octane slightly, giving a small fuel economy boost if your car is running in tip top condition.

It's like buying normal unleaded then putting this in to get to "super unleaded". Least that is the ones I have looked at. They do "work" but the difference cannot really be measured except for the placebo if you don't count the kilometres (look mah we're flying).
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby Free » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 03:01:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', '
')I think that Dynamite and TNT is slightly more powerful but not by much per unit weight.


Well not according to this site

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')4,184 J -- energy released by explosion of one gram of TNT.
50,000 J -- energy released by combustion of one gram of gasoline.


Amazing, isn't it?

It is one of my favourite punchlines to hammer home the concept of energy density to Peak-Preach-victims, but since this is my only source of this fact and I am an amateur, and since we have so many knowledgable people here, somebody can debunk this fun fact easily, right???
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby grabby » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 03:08:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', '
')
Well not according to this site

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')4,184 J -- energy released by explosion of one gram of TNT.
50,000 J -- energy released by combustion of one gram of gasoline.


Amazing, isn't it?



Hey thanks for the post if I am wrong then I am amazed and learned another cool thing which I willl promptly file away. I'm sure the dynamite experts will tell us how it goes

Toluene is basically oil so maybe if you BURN the toluene instead of sxploding it you get the 50,000 joules plus the 4000?

Interesting, but thanks for verifying the power of gasoline the best grade A fuel source available now.
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby Free » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 03:13:19

Yeah yeah yeah, I knew it, so it took you just 7 minutes to destroy one of my favourite simplistic analogies, I hate you! :)

Thanks anyway, it makes sense as far as I can tell.... (which is not very far)
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby Russian_Cowboy » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 03:23:03

Here is another gas mileage-boosting product. Somebody is making big bucks taking advantage of customer's ignorance. I wonder if the lemon law applies here
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby BrazilianPO » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 03:45:19

I am very sceptic about any of those products to save fuel. But I would be curious about the results of a serious test carried out by a credible motor organization. There are quite a few products out there if you google "fuel saver", but I still believe the way to go is to downsize and use other fuels - natural gas and ethanol. In Brazil, for example, almost half of the cars are 1.0L and easily get 17km/l (43mpg). After just two years of mass production, over 80% of the new cars sold run on petrol and ethanol. At this rate, we will retrofit the entire fleet, or almost all, in less than 10 years. The cost is an extra U$ 300 mainly due to a new microprocessor to analyse the fuel proportion and adapt the engine for it.
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby skeptic » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 05:04:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wells', '
')Anyone here tried their pill? Did it work?
Work? You must be joking. The money, as in all these scams comes in recruiting other people into the sales force, who pay an entrance fee to 'get in on the ground floor of a once in a lifetime business oportunity'.or some such crap. They then make their money by doing the same with other suckers - and a portion of the recruitment money flows up the pyramid droping off a few bucks at each level.

A pyramid recruitment scam. I stumbled across exactly the same involving magic hawaiian fruit juice a while ago.

Click the link called 'Opportunity' at the top of the home page then watch the video - thats what its really all about , not about magic pills.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Russian_Cowboy', '
')Here is another gas mileage-boosting product. Somebody is making big bucks taking advantage of customer's ignorance. I wonder if the lemon law applies here

Again, another almost identical Pyramid Recruitment scam. The product is purely incidental to what going on here. Click the link called 'Opportunity' thats what its all about. Building a pyramid of asscociates who pass commission up the pyramid when they recruit more associates. It DOESN"T matter if nobody ever sells any of the overpriced non-functional 'product' because that's not where the money is.

What is demonstrated here is that there really is a greedy sucker born every minute.
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby Richard » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 06:36:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skeptic', ' ')A pyramid recruitment scam. I stumbled across exactly the same involving magic hawaiian fruit juice a while ago.


I'm intruiged. Please tell all! What's so magic about fruit juice?!
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby skeptic » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 06:44:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Richard', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skeptic', ' ')A pyramid recruitment scam. I stumbled across exactly the same involving magic hawaiian fruit juice a while ago.


I'm intruiged. Please tell all! What's so magic about fruit juice?!

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Noni

...and try Googling Noni scam
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby grabby » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 12:53:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BrazilianPO', 'I') am very sceptic about any of those products to save fuel. But I would be curious about the results of a serious test carried out by a credible motor organization. There are quite a few products out there if you google "fuel saver", but I still believe the way to go is to downsize and use other fuels - natural gas and ethanol. In Brazil, for example, almost half of the cars are 1.0L and easily get 17km/l (43mpg). After just two years of mass production, over 80% of the new cars sold run on petrol and ethanol. At this rate, we will retrofit the entire fleet, or almost all, in less than 10 years. The cost is an extra U$ 300 mainly due to a new microprocessor to analyse the fuel proportion and adapt the engine for it.


Why would you retrofit for ethanol when there is no ethanol?

We can't make enough ethanol to even have it in all the service station.
If you have an ethanol car now you would be stuck at home.

If you DID live in Boise Idaho and fill at their ethanol gastation, you will be paying more than gas?

Why do you want to pay even more for a fuel that gives you half the power?

just fill up with gas and send ME twenty dollars each fillup and you will have the same effect.

There never will be aenough ethanol
there cannot be

it is a POLITICAL GIMMICK

ethanol is NOT POSSIBLE

we cannot run on it nor rely on it

WHY?

to REPLACE ethanol wuse in the world we need 4 billion bushels of grass/corn/clippings per DAY
it isnt possible.

the best they can do is replace ten percent of all our use if they copnverted ALL OUR CORN AND WHEAT AND OATS into ethanol and we lived off of bubblegum we could only supply ten percent

so all you have to do is put the 10 percent into the existing gas, you dont have to retrofit anything.

we have to be careful to prevent from falling into the popular mechanic dream swoon of personal flying hydrogen magnetic dick tracy buckets.

it aint gonna happen

ethanol is a dead issue it isnot possible in america


in Brazil in the big cities it is possible and they are paying more for less, they have tropical sun and sugar cane and they can produce almost 20 percent of their needs

WHICH IS A WHOLE LOT LESS THAN OUR NEEDS!

I mean texas uses more oil than brazil.

Retrofit to ethanol is not going to be
1. useful
2. feasable

3 and foolish



If you still think alternates will in any way at ALL going to help our problem, you do not understand peak oil
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read this web site a few more months, alternates to work would have to toatlly kill all agriculture and/or suffocate us in 10,000 times as much pollution.

sorry.

have a nice day.

Ok ok I'll explain

we use about 1 billion gallons of oil a day in the usa

a humongous ethanol plant nearby our house will produce 1 million gallons (WOW) a month

that is 33 000 gallons a day

we need one billion for the US

that is ONE THIRTY THOUSANDS of our needs

we need 30,000 ethanol p;llants to replace americas production.
what is one thirty thousands of 30 gaollons?

ok ok one thousndth of a gallon

how much is that

5 tablespoons for every 30 gallons.

you know how much deisel and electricity it takes to make the 5 tablespoons?

4 tablespoons.

we made one tablespooon per tank with a giant alcohol plant taking in seed from two counties.

I get more than that on my hands when I fillup.
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby Chaparral » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 13:35:40

Amen Grabby. Corn ain't gonna cut it. More than a few of the Iowa farmers growing the stuff to feed the nearby plants know it too!

Someone needs to develop a perennial N-fixing replacement for corn for this to even have a remote chance of working.
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby lorenzo » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 13:52:00

To those who thought I was a viral marketeer. Here you have an example of how viral marketing really works: you drop in on a widely read message board like PO, you drop your product (in this case the "fuel pill") with a link, and you leave, never to come back. "Wells" made one post, and has not posted since. A pure viral marketeer.

Wells, are you reading this?
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby Wells » Sat 29 Apr 2006, 22:03:48

Hi;
I actually was away from my computer for a few days spending time with my family - wife and three kids. Since my post I have received a phone call from a friend who has tried the "BioPerformance" fuel pill, and claims to have experienced 'savings'. I asked him to send me a sample of it - for free, and he is. I'll remember to post here the results - not that you all would believe me anyway!! ;-)

PS. I have personally worked for Phelps Drilling Intl. in Canada on a Triple - so I know oil, and I know the industry - I'm not a viral marketer. But I shouldn't have to give you personal information to prove it should I?
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby Lighthouse » Sat 29 Apr 2006, 22:10:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wells', 'H')i;
I actually was away from my computer for a few days spending time with my family - wife and three kids. Since my post I have received a phone call from a friend who has tried the "BioPerformance" fuel pill, and claims to have experienced 'savings'. I asked him to send me a sample of it - for free, and he is. I'll remember to post here the results - not that you all would believe me anyway!! ;-)

PS. I have personally worked for Phelps Drilling Intl. in Canada on a Triple - so I know oil, and I know the industry - I'm not a viral marketer. But I shouldn't have to give you personal information to prove it should I?


What is wrong with viral marketing? :oops:
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Re: Strange New Product

Unread postby frankthetank » Sat 29 Apr 2006, 22:23:29

Today in the local paper they had an article about service stations here in WI being able to fill tires up with nitrogen. Now i'm just trying to figure where they get the nitrogen from...an me thinks it takes energy!
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