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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby Specop_007 » Thu 27 Apr 2006, 16:00:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'J')ust like a fancy date to a French resturaunt, sometimes the unsavory types have certain expectations that come with a $100 dinner. I suspect metaphorically this will be no different for us.


If I recall, werent the $300 per child "refunds" actually just loans from your tax return. If I remember, if you did recieve the money they deducted it from your tax return at the end of the year.
AND you had to pay State tax on it too if I recall correctly
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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 27 Apr 2006, 16:11:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'H')ow about: $15 billion could buy for more than 15 MILLION homes to switch from fossil fuel based heating/cooling systems to clean, renewable, free geothermal energy for a lifetime. Hell, if you're buying 15 MILLION units, I think you can get a discount and make that 20 million, which is about a quarter of the homes, saving 2% of our energy use, or about 6-8% of our electricity needs.


Can you imagine what would happen if they actually did something like that? Of course, it's complete science fiction. It would never happen though, because it would reduce the unwashed masses' dependence on the multinationals.

And we certainly can't have THAT. :roll:
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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby mekrob » Thu 27 Apr 2006, 16:39:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'J')ust like a fancy date to a French resturaunt, sometimes the unsavory types have certain expectations that come with a $100 dinner. I suspect metaphorically this will be no different for us.


If I recall, werent the $300 per child "refunds" actually just loans from your tax return. If I remember, if you did recieve the money they deducted it from your tax return at the end of the year.
AND you had to pay State tax on it too if I recall correctly


Don't forget the ploy with hybrid cars. First they have discounts for the first few that get them, and now they want to tax those cars because they don't pay their 'fair' share of gas taxes. How the fuck do you TAX a TAX CREDIT? My head is about to explode (which is right where the tear in the universe is about to be at).
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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 27 Apr 2006, 17:27:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'D')on't forget the ploy with hybrid cars. First they have discounts for the first few that get them, and now they want to tax those cars because they don't pay their 'fair' share of gas taxes. How the fuck do you TAX a TAX CREDIT? My head is about to explode (which is right where the tear in the universe is about to be at).


To be honest, I saw the problem with hybrids and their lack of fuel tax revenue generation a long time ago. I know most people with even a cursory intimation with the federal highway revenue structure could have foreseen that problem (it seems, except the government). Problem is, the bill for the revamp of the interstate & federal highway system will be coming due soon, and the rates of return that need to be achieved with the gas tax fund to keep the highways in service will not be attained with growing numbers of hybrids and unconventionally-fueled vehicles (plug-in hybrid, biodiesel?) on the road. Not that it matters much, anyways.
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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby DantesPeak » Thu 27 Apr 2006, 18:43:50

As usual, government proposals on energy like this have the effect of increasing energy use. In addition, this changes the debate on PO from an energy availability problem to a money probelm, at least for Americans.

And where exactly does all this money come that the US government is spending or plans to spend? Entirely from foreigners. Foreign central banks and governmental institutions are buying about 100% of US government debt. While the US dollar regime holds up, the US runs current account deficits approaching $1 trillion per year. In this position, the US will be the last to feel the effects of PO - by outbidding the rest of the world with an unlimited supply of paper US dollars.
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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby Novus » Thu 27 Apr 2006, 18:49:24

The US may be last to feel the effects of PO but when that day of reckoning finially does come America will be hit harder then any other country because we have done exactly zip to prepare for it.
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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby Eddie_lomax » Thu 27 Apr 2006, 18:53:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', ':')roll:

Let's see... a $100 rebate for higher gas costs amounts to an annual discount of 13 cents/gallon (assuming gas is $3) per taxpayer. Giving away "free money" is always a nice gesture as it consists of a good amount of pandering and contributes nothing in the way of effort towards any real solution.

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Wow, so the US goverment is going to take money from the citizens, and then give it back to them - incredibly generous of them.

We get this sort of stupidity in the UK too, Gordon Brown acts as if every million he sends over to Africa is his own personal donation and he's being so generous. They can afford to do so at least while the north sea is balancing the books, reckon though there are at best 2 more years before the depletion outweighs the oil price rises at best though.
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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby dinopello » Thu 27 Apr 2006, 21:31:08

Actually, if you have pre-working-age children, give them a big hug and a thank you cause that $100 is coming from them.
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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby DantesPeak » Thu 27 Apr 2006, 21:58:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')he US may be last to feel the effects of PO but when that day of reckoning finially does come America will be hit harder then any other country because we have done exactly zip to prepare for it.


Yes, and it's not just a matter of price but a whole economic system and infrastructure based on cheap energy that would always be available.

Government subsidies only give the illusion of lower prices, but effectively pass the cost to all dollar holders - or stated another way - deficit spending leads to inflation.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')Americans are unfairly being asked to empty their wallets at the gas pump,” said Bill Frist, majority leader in the Senate, who on Thursday led a group of Republicans in offering a package of eight proposals, including a $100 (€80.46, £56) “gas tax holiday rebate cheque”, intended to ease the burden higher fuel costs have imposed on consumers.

Mr Frist acknowledged that the measures would have a limited impact, but with the Republicans trailing badly in the polls, Congress and the White House are under pressure to respond.

Democrats, who have been campaigning on the price issue in congressional races that are starting to heat up in advance of the November mid-term elections, immediately denounced the plan as a sop to “Big Oil”, saying it would do nothing to conserve energy or limit the record profits being earned by the oil companies.

Both parties have scrambled to offer legislative fixes to the high prices, but those backed by Mr Frist, and another set backed by Republican leaders in the House of Representatives, are the most likely to move forward.


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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby aflatoxin » Thu 27 Apr 2006, 22:09:42

The $100 might be the much talked about helicopters in disguise. It might be a means to dispense a litle bit more funny money into circulation, and increase interest rates a little bit a the same time.

The government has been subsidizing oil producers for years. I'm curious to explore the possibility of continuing the subsidies, but on the consumer end instead. Obviously, they may not go directly to the oil industry, but in the end, more money will go there anyways.

This is a bandaid being applied where a tourniquet is clearly needed.
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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby jdmartin » Thu 27 Apr 2006, 22:12:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'A')ctually, if you have pre-working-age children, give them a big hug and a thank you cause that $100 is coming from them.


Well lucky for me, I don't, so I'll take this opportunity to thank everyone else's kids for my future.

The great thing about economic systems is that 50 years down the road when the bills are seriously come due, no one will understand the mess from now that helped create it. Or at least understand it in a way that will make them come looking for us with shotguns :shock:
After fueling up their cars, Twyman says they bowed their heads and asked God for cheaper gas.There was no immediate answer, but he says other motorists joined in and the service station owner didn't run them off.
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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby HonestPessimist » Thu 27 Apr 2006, 22:14:12

Guys, take the $100 free money from the mommy government and re-invest that money into an American energy independence trust so we could develop and shape the American future nearly free of oil-dependence.
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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby Bleep » Thu 27 Apr 2006, 22:22:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TracerBullet', 'H')ey, I don't own a car


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Higher Gasoline Taxes? Forget About It

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 27 Apr 2006, 23:26:05

I can't see that there's any chance that the politicians are going to raise the gas tax. The Public would scream bloody murder and kick all their asses out of a job. Some may think that it's the rational thing to do and you may be right but just look at what they are doing. Bush has suspended shipments to the SPR. That means that the politics of gas prices is more important than any other consideration. He's joined by others in Washington who want to suggest we do things that won't help. no es bueno, cabron
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Re: Higher Gasoline Taxes? Forget About It

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 27 Apr 2006, 23:44:54

What the public sees today: high gas prices.
What the public sees 5 years from now: potholes and surface deterioration on major interstates and highways, with recent projects never completed - all because the gas tax failed to keep up with rising costs and the advent of PO.

I'm not lamenting the public's decision. Their death grip on the cheaply-fueled automobile will ultimately end in tragedy. Few, if any, have the foresight to see the writing on the wall and are gladly trading the very future of the motorized utopia for a few months of affordable gas. Perfect irony, I say.
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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby Brownie » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 00:04:27

In Alberta, we got $400.00 check for every resident with a hint of more cheques to come. Since you have an election this November, hold out for the highest bidder. Your politicians can surely top ours.
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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby JoeCoal » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 00:59:23

Dumbest. Gimmick. EVER!!!

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Especially when you consider that the money will just be borrowed and printed, adding to inflation and reducing the value of all the dollars already in existence.

The Moron who proposed this obviously has no clue how money works.

OR has no idea that Money is completely broken.

OR knows exactly what's happening and is just suppressing the Bleating of the Sheeple (tm)

Take your pick...
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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby jaws » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 01:22:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JoeCoal', 'D')umbest. Gimmick. EVER!!!

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Especially when you consider that the money will just be borrowed and printed, adding to inflation and reducing the value of all the dollars already in existence.

The Moron who proposed this obviously has no clue how money works.

OR has no idea that Money is completely broken.

OR knows exactly what's happening and is just suppressing the Bleating of the Sheeple (tm)

Take your pick...
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Re: Senators: $100 rebate to every taxpayer for fuel costs

Unread postby BitterSweetCrude » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 07:27:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jaws', 'H')ave you never met a politician before?


LOL! Yeah I'm not shocked either. This is terrible policy.
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