[Atlantean_Relic]

Feel free to replace Satan with whatever Evil you see fit.

[clueless]

Why do you ask ?

But since you do, the biblical antiChrist (which means "instead of" not against) comes on a platform of "Peace and Prosperity" isnt't that pretty much what we hear now every Presidential (and campaign) speech ?

In effect we are already conditioned to elect just about anybody who makes those promises.

Check out this verse in the context of suburbia:

Isa 5:8-11 Woe unto them that join house to house, that lay field to field, till there be no place, that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth! (9) In mine ears said the LORD of hosts, Of a truth many houses shall be desolate, even great and fair, without inhabitant. (10) Yea, ten acres of vineyard shall yield one bath, and the seed of an homer shall yield an ephah. (11) Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!

In other words Suburbia will cause great catastrophe...

[Jack]

Perhaps that isn't quite how Satan would work...let's suppose....

Once upon a time, Satan was reflecting on how he hadn't come up with any new ideas in far too long. The plague had been great in its time, the hundred years' war had delivered fine results - but these were all past. Humans were curing diseases, coming up with new technology and discovering science that put the old dreams of sorcerers to shame.

He studied humanity, and considered their vulnerabilities. He thought of greed, of sloth, of gluttony. And he smiled. He would offer them a wonderful gift; a treasure that would save them time, save their lives, make them richer than they had imagined they could be. And so he whispered in the ears of men, and oil was discovered and developed. He gently introduced mortals to the many things they could do with the new gift.

People longed to travel, and oil made it possible to use automobiles and airplanes to do exactly that. People wished a chance to live in the countryside, in neatly manicured suburbs - the use of oil brought it to pass. Humankind wanted to end hunger among his fellows, and the green revolution accomplished seeming miracles of production. The list went on and on, a cornucopia of miraculous gifts, showering down on humanity.

And so the people flourished and multiplied. Their numbers grew by the millions and billions. Communities withered and died, and men knew not their neighbors; but they spoke with far-flung groups of strangers they imagined to be friends. Nations waxed strong, and their great armies and vast air armadas achieved a power never before seen. Wealth multiplied, with millionaires displaced by billionaires. Money expanded, millions giving way to billions, which in turn were supplanted by trillions. Ever faster, the wheels of commerce and trade spun, ever greater grew the numbers of men, and ever more the masses traveled.

Satan, immortal and unchanging, saw his plan come to fruition. The great gift he had provided was finite, as all in the mortal planes must be. Man had chained his destiny to the gift; and now it would decline slowly. He thought of the delicious irony; those who had such pride in their knowledge behaved according to the same laws as a colony of bacteria. The appetites of men drove them, blindly, over the cliff even as a few farsighted ones told them what was coming to pass.

The Great Lord of Darkness smiled. Humankind, who dared to think themselves Gods, would find that without His gift they would soon enough be ground down into the dirt. The billions would slowly perish, and that in a particularly agonizing way. And while they perished, they would claw, and bite, and scratch as they sought another day's subsistence. The money, built on a foundation of oil, would crumble into rust - for it was no more real than the faerie gold of ages past.

The best part - the part that made Him roar with laughter - was that even though they had free will, even though their minds had told them of the danger for a span nearly as long as a human lifetime - their nature had made it impossible for them to refuse the gift and thus escape ruin.

He would savor the next century or so. The death and decay would be marvelous; it would pain the One above, who thought these miserable little mortals might eventually amount to something.

And after that? Well, he had another gift in mind already. The humans would forget, soon enough. And then his new gift would let the entire cycle repeat. He'd make a point of letting them remember just how foolish they were.

There would even be a poll, on a small web site, which would hint at what was to come.

Submitted for your approval...

[Lighthouse]

Actually I think this kind of thinking is quite dangerous. It gives the religious extremist on each side a free ticket to press the self destruct button. It's the devil's (or whatever they may call the ultimate evil) fault.

I'm afraid, unlike the Constitution Class Star-ship NCC 1701 Enterprise, there are no escape pods on star-ship Earth ...

[TommyJefferson]

My friends who are Jehovah's Witnesses tell me that they do not stand during the National Anthem at rodeos (an uncomfortable thing to do in Texas) because all governments of man are an extention of the Original Sin.

That Original Sin being when Satan told man "You don't need you God. You can manage your own affairs".

Thus according to them, Satan already owns the world and the deal is done.

That's why I voted "no".

[charlesfinney_99]

According the Bible prophecy, the earth will soon engulfed in dreadful tribultion with Satan and antichrist devouring the whole earth.


We know the Antichrist will be a human leader who rode popularity into the world dictator.


But what about Satan?


Satan is supposedly cast down to earth,and what form would satan take when he is cast down?



But my main concern is,MOST of those "christians" will not escape because they are not watching and praying.



We know awful things are coming because of rampant sinning and most "christians" are all involved in some sort of sins/


Drinking,smoking,sinful relationship,divorce,taking greedy divorce money(women),stealing,cursing,sunday working/shopping



ONLYWAY to survive IS to stop all ongoing sins and keep entire ten commandments(which is same as repenting)


I hope moderator and posters of this link ALL repent and renounce sins and be saved from tribulation and hell.

[charlesfinney_99]

According the Bible prophecy, the earth will soon engulfed in dreadful tribultion with Satan and antichrist devouring the whole earth.


We know the Antichrist will be a human leader who rode popularity into the world dictator.


But what about Satan?


Satan is supposedly cast down to earth,and what form would satan take when he is cast down?



But my main concern is,MOST of those "christians" will not escape because they are not watching and praying.



We know awful things are coming because of rampant sinning and most "christians" are all involved in some sort of sins/


Drinking,smoking,sinful relationship,divorce,taking greedy divorce money(women),stealing,cursing,sunday working/shopping



ONLYWAY to survive IS to stop all ongoing sins and keep entire ten commandments(which is same as repenting)


I hope moderator and posters of this link ALL repent and renounce sins and be saved from tribulation and hell.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charlesfinney_99', 'A')ccording the Bible prophecy, the earth will soon engulfed in dreadful tribultion with Satan and antichrist devouring the whole earth.


We know the Antichrist will be a human leader who rode popularity into the world dictator.


But what about Satan?


Satan is supposedly cast down to earth,and what form would satan take when he is cast down?



But my main concern is,MOST of those "christians" will not escape because they are not watching and praying.



We know awful things are coming because of rampant sinning and most "christians" are all involved in some sort of sins/


Drinking,smoking,sinful relationship,divorce,taking greedy divorce money(women),stealing,cursing,sunday working/shopping



ONLYWAY to survive IS to stop all ongoing sins and keep entire ten commandments(which is same as repenting)


I hope moderator and posters of this link ALL repent and renounce sins and be saved from tribulation and hell.

[loghomebuilder]

Lighthouse

Why did you feel the previous poster to be dangerous???

How would it be "dangerous" to advocate keeping the ten commandments?

Lets see. Don't covet. Yah, that would be really bad. Think of how screwed up our world would become if we all stopped coveting!

Don't steal. Yah that one too would be really bad if we stopped stealing from one another wouldn't. What would be stess about?

Don't commit adultery. Wow! That would really be REALLY dangerous. Think about how AWFUL it would be if you husband quit cheating on you? What to yak about during bridge. Who would there be to pity us and how could we be the victim if no crimes were commited against us?

Keep the Sabbath. Now that is a doosey. You can't work 30 days in a row. Now that one is my personal favorite to hate. Because I just LOVE to be all work and NO play. I soooo love to be dull.

I could go on here, but the point is pretty obvious. A person is NOT dangerous for literally believing that if mankind were to obey with their actions rather than words the Bible. How absurd is this?

Now if you personally choose to disbelieve in the existence of the One Soverign Creator that is you perogative. It is my perogative as well.

There is a huge difference between the Moslem, who is commanded in the Koran to wage war and conquer the world coverting the world to Islam through war and being a follower of Jesus (please note I did not say Christianity so as to cut off any attempt to lump this word is with Crusaders, the inquisition et). While Moslems make war and are commanded to do so in their Holy Book, Jesus by example did the oposite. He sacrificially died so that others may live.

Now lets be reasonable. How absurd is it to say that a person is DANGEROUS for promoting the kind of love that is willing to lay down everything and if necesary physically die for a a friend, a co-worker, or better yet someone truly unworthy and someone who has despised and mistreated us.

Absolutly right. Anyone who believes this truly is dangerous. We would be so much better off coveting our neighbor's possesion, screwing his wife in the hayloft, swiping his cows to fill our freezer, killing his dog because we are allergic to animals and are jealous we can't have one, oh and then pouring sugar in the gas tank of his new Diesel Jetta because we are so jealous because we can't afford one.

Yes this I agree would be absolutely delightlful. Oh that we would have "safe" neighbors in contrast to "dangerous" ones. Oh for jealous, adulterous, covetous, lying friends who will stab us in the back at any time.

How is it that the tolerant left is tolerant only of those who hold view not oposed to their own tolerant view?

Sorry, but Jesus as a historical example of love, kindness and forgiveness has given us the highest example of love we could find.

And YES Jesus does teach that those who do not repent of their sins will be punished in everlasting fire without reprieve. True hate would be to know this truth and say nothing.

Choosing to reject reality does not cause reality to cease to exist. But that choice is ours to make.

But do notice that Jesus is not, does not, and never has forced anyone to choose to follow Him.

Lastly, did you ever hear of the dislexic flea who cried to his dying breath that surely there really was not a God!

[Vexed]

Brilliant post Jack.

You can spin a good yarn.

[JoeCoal]

Jack, that was BRILLIANT!

I am a Deist, meaning I Am The Church Unto Myself. Most of the founding fathers of the USA were Deists, as well.

I think Lao Tzu and Siddhartha Gautama were a couple of very cool dudes. Heck, that Jesus fellah sounded like a pretty nice guy -- that is, until a bunch of politicians spin-doctored his wisdom into oblivion...

I was raised to be an Atheist. My father's dying words were: "Oh Shit!" Make of that what you will...

I am NOT an Atheist any more.

But the VAST majority of those who claim to know what God thinks are only serving their own personal agendas...

Hey, and then there's all those Politicians who claim to know what's best for us... They're only serving thier own personal agendas as well. Oh, well, The World goes to Hell, if there was one. No wait, The World already is Hell...

Deism

EDIT: response to original topic: If Satan himself came up and offered to save the world....

The world is already in the process of saving herself. From Us... Who needs Satan?

ElijahJones: Do NOT be angry with God. She gave us this world to live in, and built into this world is everything we could ever need. We're a grownup creation, on our own, to sink or swim, as we are wise or foolish.

The ultimate act of caring was creating us where we are. Only helpless children cry for more...

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', '
')Well when you think of it that way, better just to be miserable because you want that girl so badly and you want a nice drink of cognac and some power toys and a few trips to Cannes for the liberal film festival and everything else that goes along with it.

[Wednesday]

If you believe the Bible and it's message, then humanity is already saved.

The world doesnt need saving. Planet Earth will be here, spinning happily, long after humanity is gone.

[EndDays]

Take a look at Revelation 13, and think about a Peak Oil scenario where the world breaks down into chaos. Imagine 6B people pleading for help, pleading for anything to come to save them. Then comes the world's saviour, but he isn't really our saviour. Here's a good site which talks about a possible scenario.

http://www.his-forever.com/adherents_of ... faiths.htm

Obviously Peak Oil may or may not bring about this scenario but its something to think about. It is written, it will happen. But it was mentioned earlier, that he will use peace as his mechanism to win over many. If the whole world is worhshipping this guy, obvoiusly he hasn't shown up with fangs and horns - more like the biggest deception in the history of the planet.

What I've realized since putting my trust in Christ for Salvation is that God's Law's are always for our own good. Yet even though we've broken God's Law's He offers us forgiveness through repentance and trusting in Christ for Salvation.

The love of Christ is something I'll never turn from no matter what happens.

[Ludi]

Nope. We're perfectly capable of "saving the world" on our own (or with gods' help, if you prefer) without relying on Evil.

[clueless]

Wow - Some good posts !

When Satan took Jesus up on the mount to tempt him, one of the temptations was to show him all the "things" on the earth and to say it could all be his - I lived without TV for 3 years and have since moved to a place where we get three channels and cannot help but notice that Americas youth (and the Christians for that matter) are being shown the same types of things, only they aren't resisting. Want to think about a land of chaos ? Imagine when the veil is lifted and all these gangbanger kids we are raising find out what is in store for them, how they are going to react. Imagine the lukewarm megachurhces that will be emptied because people can't afford to drive 30 miles to church. Imagine how many McManisions will be emptied like described in the OT minor prophets.

Petroleum didn't need to be used for selfish indulgence, it could have been used to feed the poor (like the bible commands).

One thing I want to clarify - Jesus fulfilled the law so we wouldn't have to. As Paul said, "All things are lawful, but not all things are edifying(good)".

charlesfinney_99 - Attempting to keep the law is not only unattainable, but will put you in hell.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

[Raxozanne]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', '
')Petroleum didn't need to be used for selfish indulgence, it could have been used to feed the poor (like the bible commands).

[clueless]

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