[SoothSayer]

>> Regardless of what these people say they do think they are still entitled to everything they "earnt", they won't give you or me a piece of anything. If crapattack or his friend Zordoz really care, why don't they give me 20K so I can setup a RE system over here, so I can do my bit to save the planet?

Huh?

Go out and EARN that 20k like the "oldies" did.

Start your own eco company or something.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', '&')gt;> Regardless of what these people say they do think they are still entitled to everything they "earnt", they won't give you or me a piece of anything. If crapattack or his friend Zordoz really care, why don't they give me 20K so I can setup a RE system over here, so I can do my bit to save the planet?

Huh?

Go out and EARN that 20k like the "oldies" did.

Start your own eco company or something.

[PeakOiler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', '&')gt;> Regardless of what these people say they do think they are still entitled to everything they "earnt", they won't give you or me a piece of anything. If crapattack or his friend Zordoz really care, why don't they give me 20K so I can setup a RE system over here, so I can do my bit to save the planet?

Huh?

Go out and EARN that 20k like the "oldies" did.

Start your own eco company or something.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', '.')..Then the strange thing happened. Carter was replaced by Reagan. The hippies became yuppies in pursuit of corporate ladders and BMWs. They completely defaulted on environmental issues, and the ecological revolution withered in its tracks. 'Trickle-down economics,' strongly favoring corporations and the wealthy, was bought into wholesale. A blind eye was turned to social and environmental issues around the world...

[Kickinthegob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'T')his is the real problem:

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'A') few hundred Iranian college students had an effect on the course of human events that is so profound it can scarcely be calculated. Imagine how different everything would have been if Carter had won in 1980 instead of Reagan. Future historians will look back on the Iran hostage crisis as one of the most important single events in history.

[grabby]

Well we sold one toy already and two more are polished and on the market, good start for two days.
Looks like people still want toys. I guess they haven't found this web site yet.

Anyway I was out on the deck looking at our lake, it is about 1/2 mile wides and 4 miles long and averaging 10 feet deep.

My boy asked me, "Dad, How manny barrels of oil would fill that lake?"
So we reached for the calculator, and figured it to be 4 billion gallons./

So my boy goes, well, that would run the world four days.

And I smiled, yes son, four days.

And he asked me about the new superhuge BIODIESEL plant brought in by the governor to begin making 1 MILLION gallons of diesel a MONTH!
IMPRESSIVE!

I said, my boy, how long will it take the new hi-tech cool-as-a-cucmber Democratic-Governor-hanging-on-the-edge-for-re-election-sponsored BIODIESEL RAPESEED PLANT TO FILL THAT LAKE?

so he calculates and calculates.

and says:

4 thousand months...

"How many years is that?"
333
"How many months of growing season do we have here?
5
so about 500 years?

And he goes,
"Yup, biodiesel is a joke"

nuff said.

biodiesel is a politcal game, and don't count on it to even minisculy change anything.
Onset of peak or severity of peak will in no way be even affected.

I have a smart kid. He can't be bought or sold.

[Itch]

What Frank said. I also blame the authorites -- products of grains and domesticated animals -- that make eating a privledge instead of a right for my misery.

I find the idea of blaming other generations to be meaningless. The collective actions of many generations in West Asia turned a giant forest into a desert. Many generations of Chinese turned a forest into the Gobi desert, and now they are proceeding to turn the rest of their area into a desert. Many generations of Americans turned much of the Great Plains into a desert. These people were not baby boomers; they were a bloated suicide cult who kill themselves by destroying the soil from where their food comes, and shitting in drinking water.

About boomers, there are boomers and there are boomer consumers. The boomers dropped out or attempted to drop out of the suicide cult by forming communities, or moving out into a somewhat remote area with minimal people -- the myth of the rugged indivualist. Many of them failed because they were reabsorbed by the suicide cult. Boomer consumers do what all the other suicide cults do, only they have more resources to kill themselves and everyone else around them faster.

The suicide cult leaders have spent much time proselytizing new generations to do the same things as before, and they'll all eventually kill themselves and most people around them. People who aren't a part of the suicide cult will probably have a better chance of surviving the actions of the swarm.