[HonestPessimist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HonestPessimist', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', '
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... Is it GET TOGETHER with friends LISTEN TO MUSIC, SMOKE SOME WEED, have sex with whomever, and drink beer and go home?...

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'A')ll we can do is apologize.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '.')..Sorry Zardoz...

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HonestPessimist', 'W')hy keep blaming preceding generations for all of the current problems? That is akin to blaming your own parents or grandparents for your problems.

Stop looking for somebody to blame and learn to work with the problems and solve them, not to bitch/whine about somebody's past problems daily.

[Vexed]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Vexed', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q')uite contrary my friend. I'm an author/frellance journalist. Believe me that kind of lifestyle helps a lot to be very productive in my line of work.
Very Happy

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '.')..Sorry Zardoz...

[Atlantean_Relic]

Oddly it is the hypocrisy of the boomers that bugs me most. The whine that the younger generations aren't like them no ideals or dreams. But despite all thier protestsfor those ideals the PTB's shoved money in the boomers face and they shut up. I'm not saying any of you here are one of those. But if I'm going to sell my soul to the devil I'm not going to lie about it. I see no chance of them bowing out gracefully. Anyone knows where the balls of the Boomer are? They need a collective kick.

[Vexed]

[crapattack]

Zardoz you seem like a great guy and it's not personal. You and your cohort, had it easy, like you say and got to reap the benefits. Retired guy maybe your not a fat fuck, probably not, who knows, I'd love to have a pension and a 401k, but there are plenty boomers with their monster houses, boats and SUV's who don't give a shit and have a wopping sense of entitlement. Their ethos is to screw me, everyone else and this planet - get the most and die trying. To them life is a contest and you're either a winner or loser/roadkill/burgerserver and in their mind they win if they get more toys than you.

polestar said:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Just because we openly blame the baby boomers doesn't mean we haven't accepted it. The fact is these "people" sit there managing their little funds and multiple properties even now saying "yeah we had it good, so what, sorry?" . Like there is nothing they can do, which is incorrect, as Twilliam pointed out.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crapattack', '.')..you say you couldn't anticipate what would happen, sure you could, you were warned...But like you say you didn't take it seriously - most of you - when you had the chance and you had a powerful political voice for change. Those of you who were trying to do something didn't get your support. You could have changed the world...

[retiredguy]

Not too defend my generation, but it wasn't just one generation that got us into this mess. Since Malthus, bright folks from every generation have known that humankind is on a path to self-destruction. What were they able to do about it: butkus. It seems our nature, as well as every other biology being on this planet, to continue to exploit resources for our own benefit until those resources are no longer available. Since humans have no master predators (other than disease), it seems to be our lot to continue the exploitive behavior until those resources can no longer support the population dependent on them.

I have listened ad nauseum to cornicopian arguments for the past 35 years. And they have won the day and continue to lead today.

So what was I supposed to do about it? Die??? I chose to work with the system and create an alternate lifestyle. My footprint on this planet is probably a helluva lot smaller than most of you who have attacked me.

If you want advice on how to build solar collectors, grow food organically, contact me. The collectors I built during Jimmy's reign are still in use. Plus I grow from seed 350 tomatos each year, some I use myself, others I provide for neighbors and friends. I'm a self-taught electrician and plumber. Most of the mechanicals in my home I maintain myself.

I've learned these skills over a lifetime while many of my contemporaries owned boats and country club memberships. Yes, I've used the system to accumulate some $$, but it was a few bucks each paycheck over 30 years.

Unlike Zardoz, who sounds like a nice guy, I won't appologize. We all share collective guilt.

Yes, I do have progeny: my daughter is gen-X and we have agreed my home is the safe house when it all goes to shit. In the meantime, she and her husband are making more $$ than I ever dreamed of making.

No, I'm not gloating. As I said before, we are on the doorstep of some very difficult times. A lot of people aren't going to make it through those times. Having skills and making some preparations now certainly won't hurt your chances of survival.

Best of luck,

Doug

[coyote]

The Boomers have undergone a strange evolution. In the early '60s they accomplished huge things, were an enormous positive force for social change. When they marched, a reporter could walk up to any one of them, and he or she would know exactly what they were marching about. In strong contrast with today. Even in the 70s they did all right, stopping the Vietnam war, giving Nixon the boot, and voting for Carter, the only genuinely progressive president we've ever had. Then the strange thing happened. Carter was replaced by Reagan. The hippies became yuppies in pursuit of corporate ladders and BMWs. They completely defaulted on environmental issues, and the ecological revolution withered in its tracks. 'Trickle-down economics,' strongly favoring corporations and the wealthy, was bought into wholesale. A blind eye was turned to social and environmental issues around the world. Now these folks are running the country, and it's one of the most blindly conservative governments we've ever seen.

What in the world happened to these people? They invented the phrase: "Anyone who isn't liberal when they're young has no heart; anyone who isn't conservative when they're older has no brain." That's complete crap, and I think just an excuse for not really thinking about issues. Reason isn't monopolized by either end of the political spectrum; but we haven't seen much reason coming from any of our leaders lately. Just a complete denial of reality, and a bewildering reluctance to tackle any real issues head on. Bewildering, because it's such a far place from where they started. What happened to those people who knew exactly why they were marching? Or for that matter, marched at all?

In any case, Crapattack, there won't be any need to remain angry with them for very long. They're not going to get away with anything. When Peak Oil hits most of them are likely to be broke very quickly. Just like the rest of us.

[HonestPessimist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HonestPessimist', 'W')hy keep blaming preceding generations for all of the current problems? That is akin to blaming your own parents or grandparents for your problems.

Stop looking for somebody to blame and learn to work with the problems and solve them, not to bitch/whine about somebody's past problems daily.

[HonestPessimist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', 'I')n any case, Crapattack, there won't be any need to remain angry with them for very long. They're not going to get away with anything. When Peak Oil hits most of them are likely to be broke very quickly. Just like the rest of us.

[frankthetank]

I blame wheat(grains) and domesticated animals for my misery.

[lotrfan55345]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HonestPessimist', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RG73', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'Y')ou should all watch the movie "Mean Girls" to see what teenage American life is like.

[crapattack]

Well, perhaps I hit on retired guy too hard, seems you've been trying to be fairly responsible, it's not about any one person. Maybe you actually do give a crap which is more than I can say for a lot of your cohort, and it's nice your daughter has a bug out option. Ya, Coyote, I'm pissed at boomers (but a certain kind of boomer selfish sellout who doesn't give a shit). Their parents generation are to blame too, and I loved my grandpa very much and he didn't give a crap about the 'environment'. He saw it as a vast empty and dangerous wilderness given to us to be tamed and exploited.

Reality, all the ones who have gone before are responsible and not for wanting better lives ( we all want that ) but for failing to act when they were warned! For failing to notice or care or change. Now we have to figure out how to survive the coming nasty, and I am making preparations. I'm not standing still or looking backward or even looking around pointing fingers. I'm getting on with my day, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for boomers and their fucking mercedes, vacation homes and sock portofolios - no one's offering me free land to bug out too.

Maybe I'm jeolous, maybe mad they wrecked such a beautiful thing that belonged to all of us now and in the future. I'm mad they went on a spree with our inheritance and gambled away our future assets and are still! They're having a fucking orgy, a fucking ORGY, right now on our dollar (seen the markets lately?) and we're gonna have to clean up the party mess without having the fun. When I let myself I can get pretty pissed at them, and I know there are a lot of people in my generation who feel exactly the same way. So when the question is asked - Why are younger Amercians so miserable, why the fuck does that even have to asked? Of course we are and the reasons are plain.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crapattack', 'W')ell, perhaps I hit on retired guy too hard, seems you've been trying to be fairly responsible, it's not about any one person. Maybe you actually do give a crap which is more than I can say for a lot of your cohort, and it's nice your daughter has a bug out option. Ya, Coyote, I'm pissed at boomers (but a certain kind of boomer selfish sellout who doesn't give a shit). Their parents generation are to blame too, and I loved my grandpa very much and he didn't give a crap about the 'environment'. He saw it as a vast empty and dangerous wilderness given to us to be tamed and exploited.

Reality, all the ones who have gone before are responsible and not for wanting better lives ( we all want that ) but for failing to act when they were warned! For failing to notice or care or change. Now we have to figure out how to survive the coming nasty, and I am making preparations. I'm not standing still or looking backward or even looking around pointing fingers. I'm getting on with my day, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for boomers and their fucking mercedes, vacation homes and sock portofolios - no one's offering me free land to bug out too.

Maybe I'm jeolous, maybe mad they wrecked such a beautiful thing that belonged to all of us now and in the future. I'm mad they went on a spree with our inheritance and gambled away our future assets and are still! They're having a fucking orgy, a fucking ORGY, right now on our dollar (seen the markets lately?) and we're gonna have to clean up the party mess without having the fun. When I let myself I can get pretty pissed at them, and I know there are a lot of people in my generation who feel exactly the same way. So when the question is asked - Why are younger Amercians so miserable, why the fuck does that even have to asked? Of course we are and the reasons are plain.

[crapattack]

Good points Polestar. Fuck 'em.

[Leanan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')These greedy bastards used up this beautiful world, squandered it, raped it, and are leaving their children with a legacy of crap they could easily prevented.