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Are we being setup?

Unread postby EndDays » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 22:13:36

Okay, let me run something by all of you.

I'm sure most of you have heard about the Illuminati Conspiracy theory, but I want you think about something. If you haven't read about the theory, google it and brush up on the possibility its happening. The gist of the conspiracy theory is that the global elite are really controlling world events to bring forth an ultimate goal of ruling the world in some sort of New Age feudalist system. They existed in the 18th Century and infiltrated all types of governments, banks, and institutions then supposedly were disbanded. But nobody can prove they just didn't change names and go underground. In fact, why wouldn't they? Their modus operendi is to slowly move the world towards their ultimate goal, using problem->reaction->solution to carry out their plans. For instance, if they want a country overthrown, they can fund an antithesis group to attack the country or if they want the citizen's rights removed, they can create a terrorist threat and then scare the population into giving up rights.

With that being said, think about this. Are we, as the middle class and lower, being setup? Seriously, think about it. Are the global elite running us into Peak Oil on purpose? If they engineer a global collapse, we are completely at their mercy. The rich will be the only ones who could afford anything in that scenario, while the rest of us become slaves. They could offer us whatever terrible solution they want, and in a dire situation, what choice would we have?

It goes even deeper than this. The New Age Christ is someone who supposedly will show up during great turmoil to lead us into a new era of "sharing" and be some sort of saviour figure. Basically it sounds like Global Communism to me. This same man is the equivalent of the Biblical Antichrist or Beast of Revelation 13. If you ask me, this is all one big setup from Satan himself, using man to do his greedy bidding.

Here's a website for this supposed New Age Christ. Read the FAQ about how and why he'll emerge during a period of turmoil and a stock market crash.

http://www.shareintl.org/

Just think about this, because it makes absolutely no sense that our world leaders are driving us off this cliff on purpose, unless of course, someone has something big to gain from it.

God Bless,
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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 22:18:39

Satan better bring his Kevlar, I got some five five six for his ass.
And his minions better wear some too, cause I gots plenty to go round!
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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 22:44:32

No, I don't think that makes sense. As mentioned many many many times before, Peak Oil is not something "World Leaders" can address and remain "leaders." They CAN NOT say


"Our way of life must end and there is nothing we can do about it."


It needs to be addressed by non-politicians. It will not be addressed by politicians. This is no conspiracy, merely "leaders" wishing to remain in power.
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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 11:04:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'I')f you haven't read about the theory, google it and brush up on the possibility its happening.


It's been happening for about 10,000 years.

The latest version is called "Social Justice".

If you don't want powerful men controlling your life through the use of religion and politics, the age-old solution has been to either move to the wilderness, or become one of them.

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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 11:25:52

Its like a snake. They are more afraid of you then you are of them. I see us more as cats. (or wolves if you like) Have you ever tried to herd cats? They have their own mind and will do what ever they damned well please. (wolves would be ten times harder).

Yes, the sheeple will fall in line but big deal. The whiney mueling little sheeeple will keep them so busy they won't care about a few independent cats who are out there doing their own thing where you can't see them. Yes, they will know the cats are out there but they are going to be so busy with their mass of sheep, they won't have time to worry about a few cats or wolves that don't buy into the whole grand scheme anyway.

If they think its their world they will eventually find out differently. Just take away the tv and the pot and see what happens.
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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby duke3522 » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 13:07:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'S')atan better bring his Kevlar, I got some five five six for his ass.
And his minions better wear some too, cause I gots plenty to go round!



Spec hit this one right on the money. While folk here in the US may become poor the last thing we are going to give up is our firepower. There is plenty of 5.56, 22LR, and 12 gauge 00 buck around. Also, here in farm country we have plenty of stuff that could make life very difficult and short for those attempting to enslave us.

But I do believe that the middle class here in the US is under attack. But not by some secret group, but by international corporations who are attempting to extract as much wealth as possible from the US middle class.

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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby Kez » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 13:52:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'A')re we, as the middle class and lower, being setup? Seriously, think about it. Are the global elite running us into Peak Oil on purpose? If they engineer a global collapse, we are completely at their mercy.


I would definitely say no for these reasons:

1. The illiminati, if they do exist as a group, are already all insanely rich. The only thing they would have to gain is more power, and what good will that do when society is collapsing, and people want those in power to fix everything?

2. Bringing about a global collapse means chaos and anarchy, and most likely the loss of the systems that keep them rich. They may suddenly go from rich today to being stuck up in their house with empty bank accounts.

3. They are the ones who consume more oil than anyone else, so when it stops flowing, all their transportation, services, property, and food needs, which are insane, are going to hit them pretty hard.
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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby Kez » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 14:06:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'O')kay, let It goes even deeper than this. The New Age Christ is someone who supposedly will show up during great turmoil to lead us into a new era of "sharing" and be some sort of saviour figure. Basically it sounds like Global Communism to me. This same man is the equivalent of the Biblical Antichrist or Beast of Revelation 13. If you ask me, this is all one big setup from Satan himself, using man to do his greedy bidding.


Also, I suggest reading Revelation 11. The two witness will prophecy for 1,260 days (or years, depending on your interpretation), and THEN the beast will come and finish them off. So if you are taking the bible literally, as it appears you are, then you will have at least 3 1/2 years to recognize the two witnesses, and surely you will not miss the 'beast' that kills them. So a literal reading of this will be impossible to miss for anyone paying attention, as the media will be reporting this.

Of course if it's mostly symbolical, or if they have already appeared, or if the beast isn't really what you think it is, then Revelation chapter 13 is not literal either.
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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby Bobbotov » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 15:05:44

The illuminati myth fulfills a purpose which is to embody anyone or group that is perceived as being in control on some grand scale. It is tied in with the international Jewish banking conspiracy the Trilateral commission and the Council on Foreign Relations. Globalization is also now falling very nicely into the Illuminati myth. It is the ultimate manifestation of somekind of star chamber that rules over everything and has omnipotence to any state, ideology or theism.

I tend to think that chaos is actually more prevalent in the world but the desire for people thinking that someone or some group is in control whether benevolent or malicious is very strong because accepting chaos is frustrating and there is little you can do about it. People want to think that there is some group or force that is controlling their destiny. This is very much akin to why people believe in God.
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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby skeptic » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 16:04:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'O')The gist of the conspiracy theory is that the global elite are really controlling world events to bring forth an ultimate goal of ruling the world in some sort of New Age feudalist system.

I dont believe so. I believe the global elite are generally intensely focussed on their own parochial and near term problems. Neither do I believe in an overarching monolithic organisation of the elite with a single purpose. This seems too simplistic an interpretation fo history and doesnt correspond to how I see organisations working first hand. The elite both co-operate and compete in a constantly changing set of informal alliances. Structures are both overt (official) and covert (unofficial) and they overlap. There is no overall purpose, merely the sum over of self interest.

The elite are of also paranoid and disconnected from reality by their own wealth and by the fact that their subordinates filter the information they receive. They're not really directly in touch with reality like ordinary people. They dont carry money or go down to the store to buy a quart of milk. Smell which way the wind is blowing? they can't inside their bulletproof climate controlled limos.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '
')Just think about this, because it makes absolutely no sense that our world leaders are driving us off this cliff on purpose, unless of course, someone has something big to gain from it.

Alternatively those in charge are stupid ( they think their money can save them from anything) and/or ignorant. I consider some combination of that more likely.
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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 16:42:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '.')..because it makes absolutely no sense that our world leaders are driving us off this cliff on purpose, unless of course, someone has something big to gain from it.


Bingo.

The false-basic-premise thinking of conspiracy theory buffs everywhere. You found your theory on an invalid premise, and let your imagination take over.

Get this through your head: No "leaders" are doing any "driving off cliffs" on purpose. Nobody out there has any idea of what they're doing. There is no "Illuminati". There are no "elites" orchestrating anything. The course of human events is steering itself. Nobody is guiding anything.

You are determined to believe in Higher Powers. You're convinced there are deities running the show, and they are directing their Higher Powers on Earth, your Illuminati.

Forget it. You are in charge here. So am I, and everybody else on this planet. Everything that is going down is the result of the actions and behaviors or every single one of us. We are getting no "guidance" or "direction" from anybody or anything. You and I are making this mess. It's all our fault.

Try growing up and taking some personal responsibility. Try accepting that we all must take our share of the blame. There is nobody out there to point our fingers at. We are the enemy.

Deal with it!
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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby EndDays » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 18:59:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kez', 'I') would definitely say no for these reasons:

1. The illiminati, if they do exist as a group, are already all insanely rich. The only thing they would have to gain is more power, and what good will that do when society is collapsing, and people want those in power to fix everything?.


Bingo, they have power to gain. You seem to think that the global elite are inherently nice people with our best interests in mind. Imagine a global socialist world, where the rulers can do as they please with everyone under them? Remember Hitler? Remember Stalin? Remember Nero? Remember Caligula? Remember Pharoah?

How quickly we forget what happens when people have absolute power over others.

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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 19:20:59

So what's it going to be: power-mad global imperators, or anarchy, confusion, and an eventual reestablishment of feudal arrangements which will stretch far, far off into the distant future.
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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby EndDays » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 19:36:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'S')o what's it going to be: power-mad global imperators, or anarchy, confusion, and an eventual reestablishment of feudal arrangements which will stretch far, far off into the distant future.


Well if they do exist, you could either ask them, or read the writings of Adam Weishaupt who founded the original Illuminati.

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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 20:10:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'S')o what's it going to be: power-mad global imperators, or anarchy, confusion, and an eventual reestablishment of feudal arrangements which will stretch far, far off into the distant future.


Well if they do exist, you could either ask them, or read the writings of Adam Weishaupt who founded the original Illuminati.

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The argument is mainly philosophical for good reasons. This notion of a semi-divine omniscient, omnipotent human organization goes back for so many hundreds of years. Didn't people used to put the Jesuits up for the diabolical group that was pulling the sinister strings? Those here who point out the folly of all that and insist that nobody is awake at the switch are probably right, if you ask me.
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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby EndDays » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 20:47:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'S')o what's it going to be: power-mad global imperators, or anarchy, confusion, and an eventual reestablishment of feudal arrangements which will stretch far, far off into the distant future.


Well if they do exist, you could either ask them, or read the writings of Adam Weishaupt who founded the original Illuminati.

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The argument is mainly philosophical for good reasons. This notion of a semi-divine omniscient, omnipotent human organization goes back for so many hundreds of years. Didn't people used to put the Jesuits up for the diabolical group that was pulling the sinister strings? Those here who point out the folly of all that and insist that nobody is awake at the switch are probably right, if you ask me.


There is only one who is omiscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent and that is God. So with that being said, the Illuminati or anyone else who thinks they are in control, including Satan will all have their end, but sadly they're going to take with them all others who refuse to repent and trust in Christ.

This world will leave you high and dry, but Jesus Christ will not.

God loves us, don't forget that.

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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 20:54:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '
')There is only one who is omiscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent and that is God. So with that being said, the Illuminati or anyone else who thinks they are in control, including Satan will all have their end, but sadly they're going to take with them all others who refuse to repent and trust in Christ.

This world will leave you high and dry, but Jesus Christ will not.

God loves us, don't forget that.

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Talking to you ED is like asking an 8-Ball questions, then shaking it and waiting for the answer to appear. You have this archaic vocabulary, like a throwback to Dreiser's American Tragedy.
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Re: Are we being setup?

Unread postby Falconoffury » Fri 21 Apr 2006, 12:35:53

Why does it have to involve satan and jesus? It's just a bunch of guys who want the world to be a certain way, and are slowly steering it in that direction. That's all. Satan doesn't have to whisper in their ears for them to want this. There is more proof of the existence of ghosts or UFOs than jesus or satan.
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