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Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby Leanan » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 13:39:38

A psychologist has written a book called Generaton Me, about why Americans born after 1970 are more confident, assertive, entitled - and more depressed than ever before.

She argues that American young people, unlike their elders, have been raised to value self over family or society. They are told from the time they are small children how special they are. They have very high expectations. But when they leave home, they are often in a for a rude surprise.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is a time of soaring expectations and crushing realities. Joan Chiaramonte, head of the Roper Youth Report, says that for young people "the gap between what they have and what they want has never been greater."


Peak oil is really going to add to the fun there....
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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 13:51:21

They've been lied to - been told it's just going to get better and better, when it manifestly is not.

Not surprising they get depressed when they find this out.
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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby birchm » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 13:56:57

This assessment is spot on. I grew up all my life thinking about how great all this technology was going to make my life, only to find out that I'd become a slave to the capitalist system which made the mass production of it possible. The stark reality is depressing.
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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby Chaparral » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 14:04:39

They seem to be a bunch of mollycoddled, entitled whiners; mommy and daddy's little princes and princesses.

It's why I got out of teaching, among other things.
Not all are like that though. There are some, perhaps quite a few exceptions.
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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby TITAN » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 14:08:14

TV can only do so much child-rearing.

I think the use of 'day-care' should be outlawed. If you can't afford to have one parent stay home, you shouldn't have kids. If the issue is not money and you are worried about your career, you shouldn't have kids. I believe the proper upbringing of children is one of the most important facets of civilization.


My wife does not work and stays home with my daughter and my daughter is, emotionally and psychologically, at least a year ahead of any other children she comes into contact with. She won't be attending public 'schools', either...
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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby cube » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 14:26:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hey've been lied to - been told it's just going to get better and better, when it manifestly is not.
BINGO! ALOT of people out there (with the exception of this board :P ) think that there's only one direction for humanity to go.....UP!

I was born into a poor family. Yeah I admit it. When I was a child I felt kinda "sore" that all the other kids had more toys then I did, but in the long run I learned a valueable lesson...and I'm an older-wiser-happier person today because of that IMHO.

I think Americans will be the least able to psychologically adapt to PO. Most people on this planet whether Asians, Africans, Europeans...have a long history to draw upon. Their ancestors have seen both good times and bad. Americans never had it truely bad.
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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby PolestaR » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 15:00:09

I don't know if its necessarily voluntary raised in the way we were. I don't think parents went out and said "hey kid, you're so special screw everyone else". My parents and most I have seen tell their kids not to be selfish and try to instill those sorts of values into them, but .....

When you live in a world where your next door neighbour has 2 cars, a pool, a boat, a 2 storey house and 5 investment properties, you have bigger personal achievement goals.

Sure if I was living in a crap shack in the country for most of my life, I might think just owning a car and living in a city was something to achieve. But no, I have been force fed through advertising, tv and all the baby boomers who benefited from a peaceful economic boom, a way of life which is relaxing and full of toys.

You look at yourself, your family or loved ones and see when most people are the happiest. It's usually after buying/getting something new. The longer you've waited for it, the happier you are.

How many of us just want to sit on our computers for most of the day web browsing, checking our stocks and relaxing in our beach shack? Most of us. Ask yourself how many people in a country can all make money off the stock market/savings interest as their sole source of income? Who will do all the "real" work when youre in your holiday home shifting numbers from one place to another?

The worst thing I think is the goal of doing "nothing" that most people have. Most people just want to have financial security so they don't have to worry about anything, so they can do whatever they want. Communities cannot support too many of these people.
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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby Leanan » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 15:27:03

Jean Twenge, the author of the book, is very careful to say that younger Americans are not selfish.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am also not saying that this generation is selfish. For one thing, youth volunteering has risen in the last decade. As long as time spent volunteering does not conflict with other goals, GenMe finds fulfillment in helping others. We want to make a difference. But we want to do it in our own way. GenMe also believes that people should follow their dreams and not be held back by societal expectations. Taking a job in a new city far from one's family, for example, isn't selfish, but it does put the individual first. The same is true for a girl who wants to join a boys' sports team or a college student who wants to become an actor when his parents want him to be a doctor. Not only are these actions and desires not considered selfish today (although they may have been in past generations), but they're playing as inspirational movies at the local theater. These aspirations are also being touted by politicians, even conservative ones —such opportunities are what George W. Bush is talking about when he says that "the fire of freedom" should be spread around the world.

This is the good part of the trend — we enjoy unprecedented freedom to pursue what makes us happy. But our high expectations, combined with an increasingly competitive world, have led to a darker flip side, where we blame other people for our problems and sink into anxiety and depression. Perhaps because of the focus on the self, sexual behavior has also changed radically: these days, parents worry not just about high school sex but about junior high school sex.
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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby Cobra_Strike » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 16:14:19

I feel bad being in this generation, growing up I was always told to take ever more...Then finding I was going to get less, it kind of hurt...But I am not sure that many people can ever come to understand that. Even the fairly smart people on my floor don't want to believe it...even those that understand the issue.
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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 16:19:17

This is the first generation in the history of the U.S. who will not have it better than their parents. Think of the significance of that.
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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby dr_doom » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 16:29:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '
')The worst thing I think is the goal of doing "nothing" that most people have. Most people just want to have financial security so they don't have to worry about anything, so they can do whatever they want. Communities cannot support too many of these people.


I suppose you are in favour of the elite orchestrating a mass culling of these "useless eaters" then?

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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby highlander » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 16:37:44

Zardoz hits the nail on the head. Actually, I think boomers like me should be depressed when we think about our wasting of our childrens inheritance.
But this November, it will all change. Them democrats will save all our kids entitlements!
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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 17:27:15

Presumably these are the same psychologists who work for the advertising industry whose job is to make people feel miserable and worthless unless they buy product X (oh, and Y, and then Z, if you do buy Z then we'll start at A again).

I have a couple of kids and I'm appalled at the amount of adverts on TV during childrens TV. Children should not be the purchasing decision makers in a household.

So all your life you are told buy this and that, and if you have good parents they say, no and no again. So you are being "denied your rights to the Consumer Dream" right from a young age.
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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby Terran » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 17:42:04

I'm part of generation M.
Generation M has grown up with the expectation that they should be better than their parents, I don't think it's ever going to be true.

We also grown up in a age of high tech electronics, multi-media, internet, computers, countless video games, DVD's, and other techno gadgets, those serve as distractions, which steers away from community, and being active.

Don't forget all the consumerism that follows, you must buy more and more, but the amount of money is decresing. Think about how most of the young people can't get a half decent job, except for working for some corporation in retail, or fast food....

No wonder most of the people my age are so unmotivated, I'm ashamed to be a part of this generation. I always look at my fellow peers in a condescending manner, unless they change I always will. No wonder we're also the most medicated generation, look all the doses of Adderall, Ritalin, and not to mention all the SSRI's including Prozac, and other anti-depressants.
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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby MattSavinar » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 18:56:57

I wrote this a while back, seems relevant:

http://lifeaftertheoilcrash.typepad.com ... ilabi.html

I've long suspected that "happiness" is correlated in some way with increases in personal energy availability. Regardless of how high or low you are on the energy-totem pole, you feel happy if you perceive things are moving up. The faster they are moving up, the happier you feel. You feel depressed if you perceive things are at a standstill. You feel anxiety if you perceive things are moving backwards. Intuitively this makes sense as energy is the basis for life and your emotions likely evolved to help keep you alive. Thus, it's only logical that energy availability and emotional state are linked in some way.

I don't know if this is the type of thing you can prove definitively but the following is an interesting data point from a recent Los Angeles Times article entitled "Utopia Lost":

According to the National Opinion Research Center, American happiness peaked between the mid-1960s and 1973.

Of course increases in per-capita energy availability were at their highest from 1950 to 1970:

In 1950, the U.S. population was 152 million people. 34.62 quadrillion BTUs of energy were consumed that year. That's 223.7 million BTUs per person.

In 1970, the U.S. population was 205 million people. 67.84 quadrillion BTUs of energy were consumed that year. That's 331 million BTUs per person.

So from 1950 to 1970, the number of BTUs per person increased by a whopping 48%.

In 1990, the U.S. population was 250 million persons. 84.7 quadrillion BTUs of energy were consumed. That's 339 million BTUs per person.

So from 1970 to 1990, the number of BTUs per person increased by a paltry 2%.

In 2004, the US population was 293 million persons. 99.74 quadrillion BTUs of energy were consumed. That's 344.4 million BTUs per person.

So from 1990 to 2004, the number of BTUs per person increased by only 1.6%

Energy stats from EIA, population stats from U.S. Census

If increases in personal energy availability and happines are indeed linked, it may come as little surprise that happiness peaked back around 1970 as that's around the time increases in per-capita energy availability peaked.

These numbers, however, don't control for a variety of factors, not the least of which is personal net-energy or EROEI. A good measure for that might be how many hours does the average person have to work to obtain a BTU of energy. If, for instance, the total number of BTUs available to you increases by 25% but only after you put in 100% more hours in the workforce, you might not be too happy about your situation. I suspect increases in personal net-energy availability are probably more closely related to happiness then just personal energy availability.

While I don't have the numbers here at my fingertips, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the average American has been working increasingly more hours per BTU of energy consumed since the 1970s. This seems to be what most people "feel" which is it has gotten harder to get ahead in America during the last 25-to-35 years. (If somebody out there wants to research the hours-per-BTU stats and post it in the comments section be my guest.)

Obviously, happiness is a complex concept. I'm not contending increases or decreases in per-capita energy availability are the only factor or even the determining one when it comes to happiness. Just pointing out I think there is some type of significant connection between the two.

This brings up another point I'm hoping to explore in more depth which is the "cure" to Peak Oil Depression (P.O.D.) I don't think it lays in being "prepared" in an absolute sense as none of us will ever feel truly prepared. (From the article in Fortune Magazine, even billionaire Richard Rainwater seems a bit unsure as to how to prepare himself for this situation.) Rather, the key to kicking P.O.D. is finding things that your subconscious perceives as improving your chances of survival (your energy availability) in a post-cheap oil world. If your subconscious perceives you are moving in an upwards direction, it will release the happy hormones like dopamine to keep you moving in that direction.

If it perceives you are at a standstill, it will cause you to feel depressed. This has the effect of temporarily shutting you down which prevents you from wasting any more energy/time on endeavors unlikely to improving your chances of survival. This I think is why so many people experience depression upon finding out about these matters. All of a sudden commuting two hours a day to a job likely to disappear in a post-cheap oil world doesn't seem like it's going to improve your chances of surviving. The solution is to find something, even a hobby or side job, that you percieve will benefit you in a post-cheap oil world. Obviously that is easier said than done as you are probably working more hours than ever just to put some BTUs on the plate.

That's my two cents on psychological preparation, buy with it what you can.

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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby Wildwell » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 19:28:09

Quite a lot of studies have been done on this, including this one here:

http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/uploads ... 112523.pdf

The happiest nations on Earth are: Colombia, Costa Rica, Switzerland, Denmark, Iceland and Nicaragua.

The least happy are the Ex-USSR block.
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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 21:14:09

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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby TWilliam » Thu 20 Apr 2006, 23:44:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'I') have a couple of kids and I'm appalled at the amount of adverts on TV during childrens TV. Children should not be the purchasing decision makers in a household.


So? You're the parent rogerhb; turn the damned brain drain off. Better yet get rid of it entirely. Kids shouldn't even be allowed to watch the blasted thing to begin with; the medium itself has been shown to be actually physically damaging to developing nervous systems (and yes they are still developing in children), never mind the atrocious content.
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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Fri 21 Apr 2006, 00:26:26

You should all watch the movie "Mean Girls" to see what teenage American life is like. :)
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Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable?

Unread postby Shadizar » Fri 21 Apr 2006, 01:42:47

I guess I'll just say why I'm so miserable. And yes I'm a psychology student so I understand where that angle comes from... However, in talking with some of my professors about peak oil I've found that they are just as worried (all but one who believes ethanol will save us)as anyone else.

I have trouble seeing how the lives of this generation and those ahead will be better than those before us. Peak oil, global warming, globalism (the negative aspects for the U.S.) all point to a dismal future.

The only positive aspects of this change are a return to more environmentaly sound lifestyles. I'm attempting to structure my life around these new realities by going into the electronics field (to set up sustainable solar homes and businesses). That is a far cry from Psychology, but necessary in my opinion. For most however, in an economy built on finance, service and expansionism this is catastrophic.

I do not foresee a world like the one that I grew up in. We have to make changes (severe changes) to continue our way of life. If we want to actually make any headway we must retool our entire society. That won't be easy. I'm scared. To not be, would be foolish in my opinion.
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