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THE "On the Radio" Thread (merged)

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Re: Peter Maass on "fresh air": boring.

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Mon 22 Aug 2005, 21:32:36

It's a show on National Public Radio, it's OK I guess just boring and noncontroversial. I like "This American Life" but NPR is just awfully boring and coccoonlike.

Give me a ranter and raver whether from the Left or the Right because once in a while they utter something the powers that be would rather not have uttered.
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Re: Peter Maass on "fresh air": boring.

Unread postby jdmartin » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 01:43:45

I listened to that interview tonight. Nothing new for me but it was reasonably well-done. No mention, however, was made of the fact that not only does new demand have to be met, declines have to be made up as well. So it was on the soft-serve side.

That said, it is definitely a positive development that at least you're starting to see/hear this stuff in mainstream areas, even if it is somewhat glossed over. No one can expect miracles overnight. Alas, as I am a realist, I suspect it's too late to do anything about it now anyway, but you never know. Nothing can be done about anything if people aren't even talking about it. A year ago "Peak Oil" was some new TV show or maybe a texas style cult, ala Branch Davidians. So you can say it's making some progress.
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Steel on Steel radio show

Unread postby k_semler » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 01:20:27

I heard it today on the radio on KTRW 970 AM out of Spokane WA. Today they covered the Abel Danger, as well as emminent domain's effect on our constitutional republic. John Loeffler has quite a radio show. It is on Sundays from 1230-1330 PDT. Does anyone else listen to this program? This is a good show, I recomend you listen to it. For once, there is no liberal bias on a news commentary program, and no pandering to the neo-cons either. This is just honest-to-goodness conservitive radio. I highly reccomend it. There is no Rush Limbaugh / Sean Hannity BS on this show.

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I'm Going to Be On the Radio Tomorrow Morning

Unread postby shaunpagan » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 14:04:49

I'm going to be on the radio tomorrow morning in the Madison Wisconsin area. It's WJJO's morning show where they discuss current events and people call in. 8:00 AM to 9:00 AM. It's kind of a hard rock station.

WJJO contacted me because I'm making biodiesel at home and running it in my car. They'd like to discuss the process and why I'm doing it. What I'ld like to do while on the radio is drop the bombshell of peak oil on these folks.

So, my question to you is what would YOU say if you were going to be on the radio and your audience is teens to 30-something year old's who may never have heard anything about peak oil. I don't want to sound like a cook, so I rather go light on the doom and gloom stuff. I'd rather people make up their own minds about forecasting our response to peak oil.
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Re: I'm Going to Be On the Radio Tomorrow Morning

Unread postby Cynus » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 14:20:55

Just tell them to Google "Peak Oil"
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Re: I'm Going to Be On the Radio Tomorrow Morning

Unread postby linlithgowoil » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 14:22:18

probably best to say stuff like 'we have a real problem meeting demand for oil' and urge people to check out online resources, books etc.

explain that its a matter of being aware of the possible worst case scenarios and at least having some sort of insurance policy in place to deal with it - such as storing food, water, fuel - enough to last a month at least at home.

all that kind of stuff.

of course, you'll still come across as a nut job as the people listening then visit wal mart and gaze upon the cornucopia of items and seemingly un-emptiable shelves that would actually be totally bare after just 3 days of non deliveries. oh well.
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Re: I'm Going to Be On the Radio Tomorrow Morning

Unread postby grillzilla » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 15:00:32

I would say something like this:

"Any way you look at it, the world of the future contains an America that burns less fossil hydrocarbons. Whatever the reasons, be they Global Warming, Environmental Polution, or PEAK OIL, a lower fossil hydrocarbon diet is in Americas future. I just decided I would rather be part of the Future than the past."

"A growing number of people are aware of this future world, you can find them by googling Peak Oil. See for yourself what they have to say."
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Re: I'm Going to Be On the Radio Tomorrow Morning

Unread postby shaunpagan » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 15:09:28

I like the "I just decided I would rather be part of the Future than the past." part. Good.

How about facts? Demand has been growing at what percentage over the last few years? 3.something? However, supply has been stuck at 84.something? Is that right?
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Re: I'm Going to Be On the Radio Tomorrow Morning

Unread postby emailking » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 15:17:25

I agree that you want to be subtle and given enough of the truth that some poeple will take interest and do some research. You also have to be able to smoothly fit this into responses from questions you are posed. If you come off as having an agenda, people may tune you out, or the host may direct things away from what you're trying to say.

Might be good to get someone to help you practice with various scenarios and lines of questioning. I'm not saying they're going to try and confuse you, but they may ask you things you weren't expecting, or in a different manner or order in a way that does throw you off somewhat.
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Re: I'm Going to Be On the Radio Tomorrow Morning

Unread postby bartholland » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 15:36:35

I'd tell them that everybody thinks that high oil prices is just a result speculation from the traders and/or agreements between big oil firms.

Then I would continue saying that main stream media is giving hardly attention to the real facts underlaying the problem that is ahead of us, namely that easy oil has had its biggest production and life will become expensive for everyone.

I would also mention that oil is more than just fuel for your car, lots of peolpe are also unware of that one.

Good luck anyway, will you record it so we can hear it too?
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Re: I'm Going to Be On the Radio Tomorrow Morning

Unread postby killJOY » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 15:52:59

State the facts.

Then say, "if you don't accept peak oil, then don't prepare for it."
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Re: I'm Going to Be On the Radio Tomorrow Morning

Unread postby shaunpagan » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 15:54:02

I had planned on asking if I could get a copy as an MP3 so I could post it here and at Biodieselnow.com. I feel bad, I've been lurking on this site for over a year and I haven't posted much.
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Re: I'm Going to Be On the Radio Tomorrow Morning

Unread postby Aaron » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 16:24:58

The 3 most important points nobody ever mentions about peak oil:

1) Ken Deffeyes says there is some point before the actual peak date itself, past which we have a diminished ability to affect any meaningful changes to lessen the worst parts of depletion.

Even if the obviously flawed USGS peak oil date is correct, that gives us 24 years to prepare beginning right now...

2) Dr. Smalley from Rice University said that even if the task proves impossible, we have a common moral obligation to try and overcome our energy challenge.

And I think most importantly...

3) Be aware of peak oil... be afraid of how your fellow humans will react to it.
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Re: I'm Going to Be On the Radio Tomorrow Morning

Unread postby arocoun » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 18:16:45

I think an important #4 for Aaron's list should be that peak oil shouldn't be presented as the new apocolypse (sp?), because people stopped trusting apocolypic doomsayers about 2000 years ago. Rather, present it as something that will change our lives over the next few years and decades. Emphisize that how and when we CHOOSE to change our lives is up to us, and that actions like yours are a step toward independence and sustainability. That will definitely work much better than "We're all going to die. Prepare for the END!!!" :)
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Re: I'm Going to Be On the Radio Tomorrow Morning

Unread postby Aaron » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 18:43:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('arocoun', 'I') think an important #4 for Aaron's list should be that peak oil shouldn't be presented as the new apocolypse (sp?), because people stopped trusting apocolypic doomsayers about 2000 years ago. Rather, present it as something that will change our lives over the next few years and decades. Emphisize that how and when we CHOOSE to change our lives is up to us, and that actions like yours are a step toward independence and sustainability. That will definitely work much better than "We're all going to die. Prepare for the END!!!" :)


You might have been called a doomsayer if you predicted World War II in 1939 as well...

Absent some "new oil" emerging on the scene, I'm afraid it's all to easy to imagine a world where diminished access to oil, means regional conflict, instability and even all-out war.

WWII was about ambition & power... can you imagine a World War based on scarcity?

The only thing I feel safe in predicting under such circumstances, is that WW IV would be a very, very long time coming.
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: I'm Going to Be On the Radio Tomorrow Morning

Unread postby nero » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 20:45:53

My easy "peak oil facts" that I can keep in my head, in case you want some memorable facts to debate with:

The world currently consumes about a 1000 barrels of oil a second. The US alone consumes a quarter of that.

The world has consumed about a trillion barrels of oil so far.

Light Sweet Crude Oil production is declining in the face of unprecedented demand.

The peak in US oil production occurred around 1970 and nearly everybody was caught off guard.

The peak in North Sea oil production occurred around 2000 and nearly everybody was caught off guard.

Discoveries by volume peaked back in the late 60s. We now consume roughly 2 to 3 times as much oil as we find. The absolute number of discoveries per year peaked in the 80s.

The large majority of the oil consumed to date has been consumed in my life time (I'm 35 years old).

The EIA has estimated that oil consumption wil continue to grow at about 2% a year for another 30 years, at which point they have faith that we will all suddenly find religion and start decreasing our oil consumption by 10% a year. That's the optimistic scenario.
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Re: I'm Going to Be On the Radio Tomorrow Morning

Unread postby drew » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 21:05:17

Try to sound calm and rational...

good points from everyone, soooo...

knock em dead..

good luck!

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Dylan's Radio Theme Hour

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 09 Dec 2006, 22:25:12

Anybody listening to these shows? I get them by bittorrent. It's on XM radio. Pretty fine! Old time music, and a great depth of arcane knowledge. Bob knows a heck of a lot about music going back a long ways.
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