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Unread postby trespam » Wed 27 Oct 2004, 12:22:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I') didnt realize you had such a sense of humor!! LIBERALS fight? Please. PLEASE. The extent of a liberal fighting it holding a sign on a street corner, or slashing someones tires at night. Most liberals are, by and far, spineless cowards. And its been that way ALL through history.
Like in the pictures. MOVE LIBERAL, and why dont you try rooting for OUR side for once. You damned liberals want to hand the country right into Communism and the terrorist hands. Yeah, helluva lot of fight there isnt there.

You have a very simplistic understanding of the world. Black and white. Liberal and conservative. That's about all that comes out of your mouth. Do you have anything intelligent to add to these conversations other than rants and liberal versus conservative mythology and talking points that you've clearly acquired from long-term listening to Rush, O'Reilly, Coulter, and Hannity.8
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Unread postby KiddieKorral » Wed 27 Oct 2004, 14:06:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', ' '):lol: :lol: I didnt realize you had such a sense of humor!!LIBERALS fight? Please. PLEASE. The extent of a liberal fighting it holding a sign on a street corner, or slashing someones tires at night. Most liberals are, by and far, spineless cowards. And its been that way ALL through history.

You're joking, right?
Liberals fought for the 8-hour day.
Liberals fought for the weekend.
Liberals fought for the minimum wage.
Liberals fought for air and water quality standards.
Liberals fought for equal rights.
Liberals fought for occupational safety standards.

You see where I'm going with this.[/b]
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Unread postby smiley » Wed 27 Oct 2004, 14:41:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')IBERALS fight? Please. PLEASE. The extent of a liberal fighting it holding a sign on a street corner, or slashing someones tires at night. Most liberals are, by and far, spineless cowards. And its been that way ALL through history.

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Unread postby TheSupplyGuy » Wed 27 Oct 2004, 18:56:19

Last time I checked, during both world wars, we had liberal presidents. I'm also willing to bet that there's about an equal number of political affiliations in the military. And lastly, how you can you characterize a whole group of people solely on a political view. And political view is pretty darn broad anyhow. I consider myself liberal, but I'm pro-guns and pro-abortion. Anyway, I hope you get my point out of that rambling.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 27 Oct 2004, 20:20:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I') didnt realize you had such a sense of humor!!LIBERALS fight? Please. PLEASE. The extent of a liberal fighting it holding a sign on a street corner, or slashing someones tires at night. Most liberals are, by and far, spineless cowards. And its been that way ALL through history.
Like in the pictures. MOVE LIBERAL, and why dont you try rooting for OUR side for once.You damned liberals want to hand the country right into Communism and the terrorist hands. Yeah, helluva lot of fight there isnt there.
You have a very simplistic understanding of the world. Black and white. Liberal and conservative. That's about all that comes out of your mouth. Do you have anything intelligent to add to these conversations other than rants and liberal versus conservative mythology and talking points that you've clearly acquired from long-term listening to Rush, O'Reilly, Coulter, and Hannity.8

I should say, I'm quite impressed with your abilities to refute my post. Well done. I applaud you. Your powers of argument are unmatched in the electronic medium known as the IntarWeb.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 27 Oct 2004, 20:22:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KiddieKorral', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', ' ')I didnt realize you had such a sense of humor!! LIBERALS fight? Please. PLEASE. The extent of a liberal fighting it holding a sign on a street corner, or slashing someones tires at night. Most liberals are, by and far, spineless cowards. And its been that way ALL through history
You're joking, right?
Liberals fought for the 8-hour day.
Liberals fought for the weekend.
Liberals fought for the minimum wage.
Liberals fought for air and water quality standards.
Liberals fought for equal rights.
Liberals fought for occupational safety standards.
You see where I'm going with this.[/b]

Yep. Long as they dont have to risk any physical harm there happy. Their fights usually invovle (As I said earlier) holding a sign. Their more then happy to stand on a street corner and shout out there beliefs and views. But have them have to actually FIGHT (which is obvious you dont even know what I mean by that) and they run tail tucked fast as can be.
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Unread postby Concerned » Thu 28 Oct 2004, 17:15:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ep. Long as they dont have to risk any physical harm there happy. Their fights usually invovle (As I said earlier) holding a sign. Their more then happy to stand on a street corner and shout out there beliefs and views. But have them have to actually FIGHT (which is obvious you dont even know what I mean by that) and they run tail tucked fast as can be.

Kerry Liberal: Fought in Vietnam
Bush Conservative: Used dads buddies to do him a favor to get out of fighting in Vietnam.
[b]You are majorly delusional if you believe someone with liberal beliefs will not risk their lives and actually FIGHT. [b]
The fact that the conservative side of politics 2004 holds up a draft dodger as someone they can adore and hero worship just about sums up the blatent hypocrisy of conservatives today. :cry:
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Unread postby trespam » Thu 28 Oct 2004, 17:20:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', 'T')he fact that the conservative side of politics 2004 holds up a draft dodger as someone they can adore and hero worship just about sums up the blatent hypocrisy of conservatives today. :cry:

And now BushCo is blaming the soldiers for the explosives that have been distributed throughout the country.
There is now strong evidence that the explosives were there when the US passed by.
Guess what? Too few troops. They watched the Iraqis loot the place and did nothing. A lot of our troops have been maimed because of this.
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Unread postby NiKfUrY69 » Thu 28 Oct 2004, 21:39:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', 'K')erry Liberal : Fought in Vietnam

And then colluded with the Viet Cong/enemy - a direct violation of the UCMJ. Read - TREASON!
But at least he wasn't some pot smokin' dodger! Eh Bill? Hey Kerry! Seen Jane Fonda lately?? Later - NiK in Oklahoma
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Unread postby Concerned » Thu 28 Oct 2004, 22:43:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd then colluded with the Viet Cong/enemy - a direct violation of the UCMJ. Read - TREASON! But at least he wasn't some pot smokin' dodger! Eh Bill? Hey Kerry! Seen Jane Fonda lately?

I think you better lay of the fiction. Kerry colluding with the enemy I dont think so. FIGHTING the enemy yes.
NEWSFLASH There is a democratic right to come out and protest against a war it's not colluding with the enemy.
Treason would be telling the enemy battle plans, troop formations and movements, handing over various intelligence e.g. cyphers and or other codes or actually fighting with the enemy against your nations own troops.
Fighting for your country, realising that the war is unjust and a pointless waste of life then using your democratic right to voice your opposition to the war is NOT colluding with the enemy
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Unread postby small_steps » Thu 28 Oct 2004, 23:06:30

same partisan bullshit, jfc, don't you guys understand wtf is going on here?
classic diversion, my friends.
went to the Kerry rally today, I could only take about five minutes of it though, never heard that many promises in that short amount of time. And the Bush supporter's calling someone liberal, seriously, supporting someone who increased gov more than anyone but Johnson and FDR, get a f*&^ing grip.
Pointing fingers is not going to mitigate the shit that is coming, sucking up and making personal decisions is the ONLY way you might make it, relying on the gov isn't going to get it done, either on the supply or demand side.
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Unread postby holmes » Fri 29 Oct 2004, 14:57:29

The intelligent freedom loving, those who have been shaped by wilderness and hard science - WE the people- have been cast aside for years. The older generations have failed us. The country is now run by the corporate industrial military complex. 70% of the society is stupid and run on emotions. 30% are intelligent. Who loses?

The country is corrupt and is really excellerating downward.
I try and be positive about things but its past the point of no return now.
Im not sure we can last for another 30years.
I just heard some news in the cs office some things about china. If oil lasts 20 ill be surprised.

there is an 8 trillion dollar dept piled on us. This is jsut the paper money dept. The true dept ecologically and socially compounded on this makes it around 24 trillion dollars. not anyway to get those resources back.

either party we are screwed.
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Unread postby trespam » Fri 29 Oct 2004, 15:20:36

You know, I believe we need a lot of change, but some of these posts, after a while: SKY IS FALLING, SKY IS FALLING
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MOST PEOPLE ARE SHEEP MOST PEOPLE ARE SHEEP
The chosen few, the great ones, have fortunately gather around this board, the ones who know the TRUTH and can see what others cannot. Ease up folks. Stop looking at the news on the internet so much. Everyone on this board babbles about survivalism and getting back to nature but they are sitting at a fucking computer typing this crap all day long. Hypocrits.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Fri 29 Oct 2004, 22:32:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', 'Y')ou know, I believe we need a lot of change, but some of these posts, after a while: SKY IS FALLING, SKY IS FALLING
or
MOST PEOPLE ARE SHEEP MOST PEOPLE ARE SHEEP
The chosen few, the great ones, have fortunately gather around this board, the ones who know the TRUTH and can see what others cannot. Ease up folks. Stop looking at the news on the internet so much. Everyone on this board babbles about survivalism and getting back to nature but they are sitting at a fucking computer typing this crap all day long. Hypocrits.

News flash for ya Trespam... Most people, unfortunately, ARE sheep. We live in the Age of Sheeple, sad as that may be.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Fri 29 Oct 2004, 23:37:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'N')ews flash for ya Trespam... Most people, unfortunately, ARE sheep. We live in the Age of Sheeple, sad as that may be.
I agree. But I'm wondering: maybe they've always been sheep. The only difference: now we let them vote. Man: talk about handing a loaded pistol to a child. Be careful of democracy. You may get what you voted for--and a whole lot more. Baaaaaaa.

Haha, how true.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 30 Oct 2004, 02:02:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NiKfUrY69', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'e')ither party we are screwed.
Funny thing - Both parties have been around for almost the entire history of the US and give the same arguements for what "only they" can do for the American people. PUBs haven't reduced government and the DEMs haven't conquered poverty.
BUT they have given themselves a pay raise and ensured themselves the best benefits package around (less you're a major CEO or something). Nice! Does anyone know a poor politician?

Kennedy? :-D
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Unread postby dmtu » Sat 30 Oct 2004, 03:15:18

Reading the good with the bad here and I'm a Libertarian (in principal anyway) so I couldn't care less. Just one small comment. Don't go into West Virginia and tell a liberal union wildcat striker that he's a puss or you may be looking down the wrong end of a fire stick.
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Now you eyes pop out your sockets
Dirty hands and empty pockets
Who? You!
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 30 Oct 2004, 03:23:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dmtu', 'R')eading the good with the bad here and I'm a Libertarian (in principal anyway) so I couldn't care less. Just one small comment. Don't go into West Virginia and tell a liberal union wildcat striker that he's a puss or you may be looking down the wrong end of a fire stick.

I've scabbed. You think calling them a puss makes'm mad? Try stealin their job. 8O
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Unread postby dmtu » Sat 30 Oct 2004, 12:47:17

I've scabbed too, but in a right to work state it's pretty benign, In WV those boys pack up their rifles and head into the hills for a good place to snipe, did in the 80s anyway. I have a freind that scabbed at bridger coal in the late 80s and have seen his scrap book. No one got shot but those strikers were stealing ANFO and caps to blow up the power lines and such during the night. The Scabs were allowed to pack to the company gate at which point they turned in their guns for storage during the shift.
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Re: split/off-topic Liberals

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Tue 30 Dec 2008, 21:26:21

Oh why not bump an old not particularly germane thread... Well it is germane for those of us who see peak oil as a problem as much of human reactions as geological reality... but still not directly related.

Black Renters ruffle feathers in San Fransisco

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')NTIOCH, Calif. (AP) - As more and more black renters began moving into this mostly white San Francisco Bay Area suburb a few years ago, neighbors started complaining about loud parties, mean pit bulls, blaring car radios, prostitution, drug dealing and muggings of schoolchildren.

In 2006, as the influx reached its peak, the police department formed a special crime-fighting unit to deal with the complaints, and authorities began cracking down on tenants in federally subsidized housing.

Now that police unit is the focus of lawsuits by black families who allege the city of 100,000 is orchestrating a campaign to drive them out.

"A lot of people are moving out here looking for a better place to live," said Karen Coleman, a mother of three who came here five years ago from a blighted neighborhood in nearby Pittsburg. "We are trying to raise our kids like everyone else. But they don't want us here."

City officials deny the allegations in the lawsuits, which were filed last spring and seek unspecified damages.

Across the country, similar tensions have simmered when federally subsidized renters escaped run-down housing projects and violent neighborhoods by moving to nicer communities in suburban Washington, Chicago and Los Angeles.


Even in San Fransisco we have a clash of cultures. My on-going thesis is that we often mistake a change of tribal alliances with the transformation of the species. We think because we like Jews, date a person of a different race or define marriage differently than our parents or grandparents that we are fundamentally an improved version of our parents. When in fact we just have a different set of cultural alliances.

Now we castigate evangelicals or neo-cons or Zionists or other people our parents/grandparents were allied with the same zeal and blanket assumptions as our grandparents had for the groups we now ally with. We only redraw the boundaries or our own place in the cultural conflict. We are still just as human as our parents and grandparents. For my purposes it doesn't matter who is right or wrong because I am interested in the nature of the conflict. A change in flags only represents a change in alliances and while that might be a kind of progress it is an unremarkable one.

We are all human. Liberals, conservatives, black, white, Palestinian, Jew... we are all homo sapien, we are all tribal, we are all imperfect. Take away someone's job, rattle their sense of cultural homogenity (whatever the nature of that homogenity), play loud music or get a pit bull or take away their cheap oil and watch out... one will be lucky if they are only sued. Even in accepting San Fransisco.

This tribal, imperfect, xenophobic species is about to be faced with increasing energy insecurity.

Good Luck with that.
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