[JoeCoal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bochen787', '[')b]Things you should avoid at ALL COST.

Sugar. Sugar = TOXIC.

[o2ny]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('o2ny', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'J')ust wanted to add that anyone who has been diagnosed with depression should NOT meditate.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

My sources are real world not internet. I worked for youth forensic psyche services and won't put my collegues name on the net. The problem is that most chronic depressives already have a depressed system and meditation has a more depressing effect.

The only ones they ever found that worked were guided meditations, not the "empty yourself ones". It has a negative effect. most people leave meditation feeling revived, connected and joyful. Chronic depressives have the opposite reaction.

It may have something to do with dopamine difficiencies as opposed to Serotonin. It would be nice if people could do the whole feel good, chase away your blues when you set your mind to it but the reality is depressives can't.

Like Ludi said that really is like asking someone to walk off a broken leg and only reflects the ignorance of the persons mindset.

[Antimatter]

Microwaves will kill you. LOL! This thread is a hoot.

[aldente]

Come on on Bochen, what you propose here is some sort of a delayed statute of the Amish. They never bought into electricity, gasoline etc. While you start a thread of what WE (the readers) should not do, you might rather want to expose of whay YOU actually do!
In other words you might as well start a similarly stupid thread stating : BE DEBT FREE NOW, because it is disadventagious to be in debt...

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bochen787', 'd')on’t listen to the radio

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('o2ny', ' ')I'm more referring to the the habit a growing number of people seem to have (definitely americans) of casually popping prozac, zoloft and the likes whenever they have an emotion they don't particularly enjoy. Mild depression & emotional pain is unfortunately part of the human experience, and it's much more beneficial for the body to process that pain in it's 'raw' form then to glaze it over with drugs (prescribed or not), or alcohol. Meditiation is one technique that can be used to directly experience the pain and let it run its course.

[jimk]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')If meditation simply causes them to accept this pain, but not attempt to discover why they are in pain or how to solve the problem(s), is it really any more helpful than pills?

[Dukat_Reloaded]

I'm not sure if curing depression with medication is ideal at all. You become depressed if you lose your job, your fat and many other reasons. If someone is bored they can't goto their GP and ask for some wacky stuff to cure their boredome, they goto a drugdealer or buy booze to cure themselves, not a good idea, cure boredom someother way without drugs. Idealy I would not take medication to fix a state of mind, being depressed is your body/minds way of saying "Get out and do something productive, or your too fat lose weight, your too poor then get out and get a second job". There are soulutions to stop from being depressed, but if you take meds to supress your depression, you will allway require them until you do required task/s that will bring you out of your depression. So identify what is causing your depression or think if I did something would that help cure my depression?

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

We need to differentiate between the two different kinds of depression. The one you can walk off, that everyone goes through that lasts a week or two and then you get over it or get on with it. The other kind is a chemical imbalance that are brought on by senveral different and usually severe factors that create a chronic on-going situation.

One kind you can get some help, take a course, change your life, and move on. The other is serious, usually leads to suicidal ideation and is life altering no matter how you try coping with it.

For the purpose of these conversations we will say you are talking about the lesser of these two. Because acting as though the average person could know or have the slightest clue how people with a chemical imbalance should conduct themselves and propose to give them advice is stupid and dangerous.

[Paul64]

The poster mentioned fasting. Fasting is a fascinating subject. I don't regret having in the past done two five-day water fasts and some much longer juice fasts in the past. My view is that fasting of any type is very dicey and I have some questions about about the ultimate benefits in many cases - especially for slender types like myself. Done properly fasting can be positively life-changing in a positive way for certain people, especially those who are big, fat, creaky and in pain and/or generally miserable (toxic). Eating mostly raw foods and avoiding microwaved food is good advice, but raw vegan if that is the idea is very risky long-term. Of couse white sugar is bad, but grains in general are not a lot better. Animal flesh food from healthy animals is good especially if the animal had minimal stress before death.

A light diet I think is good general advice depending on what you want from your mind and body and how you expend your energy. But many people these days are physical weaklings. If one desires improved physical strength, perhaps at a bit of sacrifice of general well-being at least until the body adapts, throw out the light diet idea and eat more clean raw food, especially high protein food, and exercise regularly and at times heavily. The body is an amazing, miraculous creation and will adapt to whatever we do.

[aldente]

The best diet I know of is the 'juice fast' by Richard Schulze which is not really a fast, since one keeps the system going by eliminating solid food while drinking juices and a mix of bentonite clay and activated coal. The bowel, so his credo is one of the major culprits causing a lot of health problems and needs to be properly cleansed from time to time. This in turn frees capacity of the immune system (he published a small book called 'There are no incurable diseases').
http://www.herbdoc.com/home_1024x768.asp

The surface of the digestive tract is I think even larger than that of the lungs which would make it the number one part in the human body exposed to the outside world (through the constant food intake that we all subscribe to). Of course there are always a few who state that you don't need to eat and drink at all (but breatherianism is another story and completely and entirely spaced out, let's better not go there).

[Atlantean_Relic]

No showers?? You obviously don't live in the south. I'm showering until the tap cuts off. Living in Louisiana means that flouride and soap is the least of my chemical worries. While the rest of PO gets zombies I'm expecting horrible cancer mutants. Maybe I could sell bottled Mississippi water. They say whatever doesn't kill you.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

It would be nice if these people would let you try their programs or get the info before you have to shell out any money. Most of them are crap so how are you to know what you are paying for.

I mean if you buy a fridge you can check it out. If you buy a car you can get specs etc. but these people are mostly playing a modern shell game.

What's up with this "juice"? how many days do you do it for, do you only use certian juices? He sure seems to have a lot of supplements to sell. That usually makes me kinda wary.

[aldente]

His supplement business is his main source of income since they shut down his herbal-clinic 10 years ago (probably some incurable died - no surprise). All you need is a juicer and use whatever fruit and vegetables you find. I usually have fruit juices in the moring (apples and oranges mainly- duuh..) and the vegetables in the afternoon (beets, cellary, whatever). You need to dillute these pure juices with water.

The only supplements that you should use are his Forumula 1 and 2, the rest of the supplements are luxury. Put one or two teaspoons of the bentonite mix in a jar, shake it up with water and drink immediately (looks bad but tastes neutral). The other formula is to make sure the bentonite is not clogging up the system, one pill a day usually does the trick. Some people follow this for months, I usually do it once or twice a year for a week roughly.

It is also a good excercise in regards to observing how one deals with hunger (or shall we say appetite) in a world where we all stuff solid food in our mouths at least three times a day.