[Pretorian]

I want to ask three questions to peakoilers:
When do you expect PO? I mean not only PO itself, but aftercoming disaster (1mln dead+).
How long will last die-off period? How many people will survive?

[Zardoz]

Before we submit to questioning, you have to edit your poll and add a choice for 2005-2006, because it's on right now, dude.

We're there.

[jato]

Economic SHTF in 2010. Dieoff 2020-2050.

But what do I know.

[EndDays]

The Antichrist will arrive to "save" us, and people will fall for it. But there will be some serious chaos and turmoil before then.

ED

[Ludi]

Deaths caused by what? People are already dying.

"Die-off" where? Literal die off or economic die off?

Sorry, not enough info.

[jato]

Die-off <Clicky>

[coyote]

My view is similar to Jato's. Intuition tells me TSHTF in 2009. But objectively, I just don't know for certain, and I don't think anyone really does.

Dieoff, while not certain, I think will happen; but I think it will happen slowly, in stages. It's nice to think that Peak Oil by itself would not be enough to do it; as Ludi and others have pointed out, there are alternatives to hydrocarbon-driven monoculture agribusiness (though I do think making the switch globally might be pretty tough). But after the Peak, with all of its economic and agricultural ramifications, we're looking at four more slaps in the face, at least: climate change, loss of biodiversity, arable topsoil depletion, and aquifer drawdown. Any two we might be able to handle. Three of them, maybe, though it's a stretch.

But all five?

My guess is that in a hundred years, there might be as many as three billion people living on the planet -- and living very differently from how we do today.

[Colorado-Valley]

I have it on good authority that Peak Oil is on December 16, 2005.


Or did you mean all liquids?

[bobcousins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'I') want to ask three questions to peakoilers:
When do you expect PO? I mean not only PO itself, but aftercoming disaster (1mln dead+).
How long will last die-off period? How many people will survive?

[mrobert]

Which retard voted never?

Exactly how retard to that person has to be, to believe that oil is infinite?
Even if the entire planet was a big bubble of oil with a thin crust of dirt so we don't choke in it ... it's still not infinite and it would still be exhausted one day .. which is still not never.

[MicroHydro]

You might want to do a new poll with the proper definition of the dieoff. That would be when the world population decreases by 2 million a week. You need to decrease world population by 1 billion a decade to get below 2 billion by mid century, which is where we are headed.

[mrniceguy]

Do you mean hardship and dieoff in the west rather than worldwide? Life is already unecessarily short and harsh for many people living in sub-saharan Africa. I don't know if the situations in the horn of Africa, Zimbabwe, Niger meet the conditions for the term "dieoff" but people are beginning to take desperate action http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 41,00.html

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', 'Y')ou might want to do a new poll with the proper definition of the dieoff. That would be when the world population decreases by 2 million a week. You need to decrease world population by 1 billion a decade to get below 2 billion by mid century, which is where we are headed.

[Nike62]

1) 2010
2) 50 years
3) 1 billion

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'I') want to ask three questions to peakoilers:
When do you expect PO? I mean not only PO itself, but aftercoming disaster (1mln dead+).
How long will last die-off period? How many people will survive?

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrniceguy', 'D')o you mean hardship and dieoff in the west rather than worldwide? Life is already unecessarily short and harsh for many people living in sub-saharan Africa. I don't know if the situations in the horn of Africa, Zimbabwe, Niger meet the conditions for the term "dieoff" but people are beginning to take desperate action http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 41,00.html

[bobcousins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'I') meant 1 mln deaths DUE to PO, not random ones. Thats a good start, I think. As for PO I meant exactly the SHTF, beginning of turmoil, civic unrest, riots, goverments loosing their sweet power, food shortages ets. It surely doesnt happen now.

[Pretorian]

PO is not a cause of death, but it might be a cause for reduction of agriculture in certain areas, or a reason not to bring food to an island/s like Hawaii or Fiji or anything else like that. I dont worry about million people dying, I am worry about noticing the beginning.