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Try going without and discover the inner richness within....

Unread postby bochen787 » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 14:00:59

I encourage anyone who wishes to gain a better mental and physical health to practice the following for the duration of an entire month without stop or exception:


-Eat less to live longer. : http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA320862/

-Fasting is good for health : http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=1996

-Practice meditation and quieting of the mind to cleanse mind chatter, cure depression, ease stress and anxiety, and find the deeper inner truth dormant within you : http://www.learningmeditation.com/

- For an entire month don’t listen to the radio, dump the ipod for pocket PC, stay away from all internet usage, loss the cell-phone, smash the alarm clock, unplug the TV,
Kill the gaming console, stop using the microwave, wash dishes manually the old fashioned way, unplug all phones in the house, (a further benefit of this is the NSA will wonder what happened to you), don’t interact with other people, don’t read anything book, or magazine, and resist the urge to ‘do something’ when you become bored. Force yourself to be ‘still’, to calm your hectic self down, to power you’re over anxiety metabolism down to slower and slower speeds. Instead concentrate entire on your self, your awareness and your existence of being.





The information and materials on this post are provided for general information purposes and may not be relied on as a substitute for actual professional medical advice, care or treatment. Nothing on this post may be used for diagnosing or treating any health condition and is not a substitute for professional medical evaluation, diagnosis or treatment.
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Re: Try going without and discover the inner richness within

Unread postby bochen787 » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 14:24:35

Additionally I wanted to add:

It’s the foods you eat that matter. For a healthy food guide see here: http://www.honestfoodguide.org/

Your primary diet during this month should consists of large massive amounts
Of fresh, organic, dark green dense leafy vegetables
with a high nutritional content.
Broccoli, for example would fall into this category. But of equal importance is eating a lot of raw and uncooked foods. Eating broccoli RAW give you a lot more value than consuming it cooked. Eat salad WITHOUT the salad dressing or you will defeat all you have done.

Drink at least 10 tall glasses of water a day. Get a least one hour of natural sunlight per day.

Dose up on the healthy antioxidants. Purchase OPC-3, 4-Life Transfer Factor, grape seed juice, healthy red wine, etc. My recommendation is to at take at least 1000 milligrams of Vitamin C per day after a meal. You don’t have to worry about overdosing on Vitamin C.

Get enough essential fatty acids. Avocados are a miracle food. Avocados are high in health cholesterol and contain more absorbable protein per pound than even beef or pork. Eat two large Hass Avocados per day. Take flax seed oil and borage oil supplements and also fish oil capsules. These contain omega 3,6,9 in the optimum portions. Eat organic nuts and berries.

Consider taking green barley extract, chlorella/ spirulina, & seaweed extract. The
Benefits will be enormous.

If you must cook, use olive oil instead of vegetable oil. Use natural sea salt instead of the chemical salt sold in stores today. Never use tap water, always filtered water.
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Re: Try going without and discover the inner richness within

Unread postby SHiFTY » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 14:40:00

Um, no offence but you are going a bit into the wacky zone here. Electromagnetic radiation has no effect on living cells that has ever been demonstrated by science. Consider a person undergoing a MRI scan in hospital. This is pretty much the strongest electromagnetic field imagineable- if there was any effect it would show up here. However there is none.

The only thing that I would argue about electricity is the tendency to stay up all night, far later than after sunset. In the 19th century people slept an average of 9 hours a night, now it's much less. So simply go to bed with the sun and you should have the same effect.

Also if you are going to not use toothpaste, at least use a 'natural' toothpaste when you brush. Tooth decay is a bitch, and there is plenty of fossil evidence to show that people died from having no teeth and being unble to eat.

And as for dove bar instead of soap, you are aware that dove bar is basically 99% oil derived detergents & scents? Plain old soap actually can be 'naturally' occurring in the right circumstances.

I basically agree with a lot of your dietary stuff though, modern society eats way too much crap which we were not designed for.

Hell, agriculture itself is a blip in the timescale of human existance. I would imagine that a pre-agriculture diet would be the ideal as that is what our systems are 'designed' for. Nuts, leaves, berries, occasional meat, etc.
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Re: Try going without and discover the inner richness within

Unread postby bochen787 » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 14:40:18

For a month, avoid as much chemical substance as possible. Don’t brush your teeth with the poisonous fluoride toothpaste. (you don’t know what OTHER dangerous chemical are in toothpaste too) And the myth that fluoride is needed for strong teeth? Its just that, a myth. Instead use of solution of baking soda and salt as toothpaste. For taking a shower and washing up, I recommend using Dove bar exclusively, other soap are too harsh and contain too many chemicals. As weird as this may sound, try taking a shower every other day. Taking a shower everyday exposes your body to unnecessary levels of chemicals (Dove bar is far from perfect) and also washes away your chi. (just kidding)
But there is no need to take a shower every day, in the winter take a shower every three to four days. If you wear contacts, get rid of them. If you wear glasses, get rid of them. Go bare, go natural for a month, give your eyes a much needed break.

For laundry, use seventh generation products as they are the most human friendly and least toxic. Re-wear your cloth and don’t change them as frequent. There is no real need to change cloth every day. When you do wash you laundry use the minimum amount of detergent as possible.

The same goes for dishwashing. Wash dishes by hand, and use seventh generation or Dove dish washing detergents. Use detergent sparingly. For non-greasy dishes just wash with water and no soap is even needed.
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Re: Try going without and discover the inner richness within

Unread postby bochen787 » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 14:56:57

Avoid electromagnetic interference and stress causing sounds, sights, environment.

Get rid of that alarm clock! The radiation from the alarm clock goes into your brain and causes a lot of damage! Alarm clocks wakes you up very rudely and abruptly and causes your body to produce stress hormones the moment the day begins! Don’t use the microwave ever! Your food becomes irradiated and ionized to dangerously high levels not meant for health consumption! Never use a cellphone or pager! NEVER EVER EVER! This can literally shave 20+ years from your life!

If you must use the microwave, stay FAR away from that thing when it is on! It is NOT a urban myth or wife’s tale, microwave radiation leaks through and causes massive health damages!

Avoid stress causing situations. That means don’t go outside when you know the traffic is bad at that time of the hour. Don’t start a argument or debate you know you can’t win, and let things go without putting to much negative energy into them. Do not read the newspaper or watch the news. The news is always depressing, and has little or no true value if you stop to think about it, and is nothing more than a sales machine.

Avoid the computer, the TV, all electronics. Don’t just turn them off, physical UNPLUG them. Devices turned off still emit radiation at dangerous levels.

Remember distance is power! R^2! Stay as far away from noise and electromagnetic influences and environments as possible!

At night when you go to bed make sure the room is completely pitch black dark!
When you sleep with the slightest bit of light on, or light entering your room your brain cannot produce the necessary levels of melatonin and you will get cancer very soon!
Make sure the room is all the way dark, and do your best to soundproof / limit noise so your body can properly rejuvenate itself!

Warning, DO NOT get a tempur-pedic or memory foam mattress. These mattress are made ENTIRELY from DANGEROUS chemicals that will give you very bad allergic reactions and skin rashes. (I know this firsthand) Instead consider switching your current mattress (whatever it is) to a nature organic cotton mattress. Don’t spend 1/3 of your life soaked in chemicals!
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Re: Try going without and discover the inner richness within

Unread postby bochen787 » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 15:13:24

Things you should avoid at ALL COST.

Sugar. Sugar you ask? Yes. Whether it is white refined bleached
sugar or brown sugar it doesn't matter. Sugar = TOXIC.
Consume sugar, in any form, and cancer will knock at your door!
http://www.alternativehealth.co.nz/articles/sugar.htm

Avoid spicy foods. Avoid fried foods.

Avoid canned foods, processed foods; avoid foods with ‘sodium nitrate’ (read the label)
It will kill you faster than you can say liberation! Also avoid hydrogenated oils, when you see them on any label run for your dear life! Hydrogenated oils are found in almost everything from cookies to crackers! READ THE LABEL, avoid them!!!!


Equally as important, avoid simple carbohydrates! Eat them and you will die! What are simple carbohydrates? Examples: white rice, white bread, white/bleached wheat.
Processed foods are almost always made from simple carbohydrates. If you get pasta at Olive Garden do you think they use whole grain wheat to make that pasta? Nope. My advice, AVOID ALL RESTURANTS! Instead opt for the less evil, brown rice, whole grain brown bread, non-bleached wheat/flour etc.. Google simple carbohydrates to learn more about this common but little known EVIL! Eating simple carbohydrates is a Katrina waiting to happen!

Don’t drink milk! Do not eat diary! Say no to cheese, no to yogart, no to anything diary! Don’t even get me started on how POISIONOUS MILK really is.
Aside from the IGF-2 evil growth factor hormones in milk, the dangers of modern pasteurized homogenous milk, heavy amounts of antibodies contained within the milk, cow’s milk is NOT even meant for human consumption! Cows milk is meant for baby cows with six stomachs and special digestive enzymes that humans do not have!
Do the research yourself, don’t drink milk. Milk is a calcium negative, that’s right, you heard me right, drinking a lot of milk will make your bones WEAKER! It will make you fatter, more lethargic, dumber, more stressed out, and milk makes you a violent person.
Drink milk and you are asking for trouble.

If you smoke and drink alcohol you best stop right now! Cold turkey is the honorable way.
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Re: Try going without and discover the inner richness within

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 15:30:25

Just wanted to add that anyone who has been diagnosed with depression should NOT meditate.
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Re: Try going without and discover the inner richness within

Unread postby o2ny » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 15:34:03

I would take all of this a lot more seriously if your avatar wasn't that of a terrorist mastermind. :!:
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Get rid of the junk you didn't even know you had.

Unread postby bochen787 » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 15:34:57

Get rid of the junk you didn't even know you had.

Amazingly, the human body is quite capable of miraculously healing itself if you stop harassing it! The human body is its own doctor, and produces its own medicines.
The fact that you are taking any medicines at all means you are on a vicious cycle downhill. Stop taking Advil or Tylenol. Stop taking prescription drugs and antibotics and over the counter meds. These just MASK the symptoms and will
NEVER make you healthy. Its your own body that makes you healthy, not so called advanced medicine. Doctors don’t know jack squat and they do not have you interest at heart. Put it this way: the doctors, the pharmaceutical companies, the FDA, and the food industry are ALL IN ON THIS TOGETHER! The Food Industry first feeds you hidden poisons and plain junk and makes you sick. (they get rich) Then you visit the doctor and he recommends a particular antibiotic or prescription drug (he gets rich) and you get addicted to prescription drugs (makes pharmaceutical companies rich). Antibodies in the long run make you more dependent and totally will destroy your entire immune system and your bodies natural defense and healing mechanisms making you further dependent on medications (making Big Pharma VERY RICH), and you see the doctor again to change prescriptions (he takes your money and HEALTH away from you AGAIN) and all the while you keep on eating the foods you eat which will assure the food industry two things. They will always make money, and you will always need meds. The FDA oversees all of this, knows what’s really going on behind the scenes, and trust me are in on the take and even orchestrating a lot of what’s going on. “Approved by the FDA” means a false sense of security and a false peace of mind, nothing else.

The point I’m trying to make is, depending on your age, you may be full of bad crap stuck in your body just waiting to get out. That’s why its vital you do a full body cleanse, like a bowel cleanse or an apple fast, etc. Once you get the JUNK out of your system, then your body will have a far better chance of recovery.



http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/bowel/

http://www.ehow.com/how_12675_apple-cleansing-fast.html
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Re: Try going without and discover the inner richness within

Unread postby gego » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 15:45:35

In general this is good advice.

The problem is that it is difficult to follow.
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Re: Try going without and discover the inner richness within

Unread postby gnm » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 16:01:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bochen787', 'T')he same goes for taking a shower every two days. Since you have always taken a shower every day, at first your body WILL STINK ! That’s a given. But if you go without daily showers for a week you will realize your body has adapted to the change!


Or maybe that your nose has adapted to the smell? :lol:

Seriously.... while some of this stuff sounds fine.. You don't have children do you? Just try the quiet mind stuff while watching a couple of toddlers and then tell me...

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Re: Try going without and discover the inner richness within

Unread postby bochen787 » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 16:03:25

Website's I recommend for spiritual progression.


For instant deep mediation and brainwave entrainment use products such as the following:

www.centerpointe.com/
www.bwgen.com/download.htm


Yes, I realize these above require ‘electronics’ so if that makes me a hypocrite then so be it.



For finding your ‘true inner self’ and happiness and satisfaction from within I recommend:
http://www.discovertheself.com/



For serious Christians I recommend this little known but very enlightening book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/084234 ... e&n=283155




For those of you who might be interested in lucid dreaming, Out of body projections, Astral Travel, Remote Viewing, Near Death Experience etc:

www.dreamviews.com/
http://www.oberf.org/
www.remote-viewing.com
www.sagewisdom.org/
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Re: Try going without and discover the inner richness within

Unread postby emailking » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 16:05:44

Some of these things may be necessary when the time comes, but for now I don't see what good a lot of them will do.

Undernourish myself? That's going to leave me very hungry. I don't find a hungry existence to be very enjoyable.

Showers every other day? Should I come in to work stinking? I most certainly do smell if I don't shower. I don't see how the chemicals are really hurting anything but the dirt and germs. Explain if this is wrong.

For month do practically nothing...not even read?? I understand the whole relaxation and simplification idea, but this seems like overkill.

I'm going to pass thanks. I've managed to cut energy and water bills almost in half while still enjoying myself.
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Re: Try going without and discover the inner richness within

Unread postby bochen787 » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 16:16:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', 'S')ome of these things may be necessary when the time comes, but for now I don't see what good a lot of them will do.

Undernourish myself? That's going to leave me very hungry. I don't find a hungry existence to be very enjoyable.

Showers every other day? Should I come in to work stinking? I most certainly do smell if I don't shower. I don't see how the chemicals are really hurting anything but the dirt and germs. Explain if this is wrong.

For month do practically nothing...not even read?? I understand the whole relaxation and simplification idea, but this seems like overkill.

I'm going to pass thanks. I've managed to cut energy and water bills almost in half while still enjoying myself.


In response to emailking,


I'm am not suggesting you undernourished yourself. There is an adjustment period. At first you will be very hungry all the time, but the body will adjust to the limited amount of food that you feed it, and it will actually become more efficient at processing the foods! Eating raw foods give you more nutrional value, so naturally you can afford to eat less! A pound of chips and a pound of raw broccoli is a WORLD apart! Your thinking is too linear and you are not taking into account the benefits that outweigh whatever initial discomfort you may have.

The same goes for taking a shower every two days. Since you have always taken a shower every day, at first your body WILL STINK ! That’s a given. But if you go without daily showers for a week you will realize your body has adapted to the change!
The human body was not created to take showers every day. The more you ‘cleanse’ yourself the more your body produced extra oils to counterbalance a dried skin. So at first you will be oily and stinking, but your body will produce less and less once you limit your ‘washings’.
Another reason why your body stinks is because you have so much crap inside of you. Did you read the part where I said to do a bowel cleanse, to stop eating junk foods and eat REAL foods? Its the combination of all these factors put together that will help. If you did it right, your body will not stink if you don't take showers for a day or two!!

Why do you have the urge to read? Because you have be conditioned that way since birth, you must know try to break that condition if you want a clear mind.

At lastly, this advice is NOT for saving money. If you read carefully, some of the advice (such as purchasing OPC-3, 4-Life Transfer Factor, fresh organic whole foods) are significantly more expensive than buying junk food!

Read the title, "inner richness within", you missed the point if you thought it was about saving money..
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Unread postby o2ny » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 16:38:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'J')ust wanted to add that anyone who has been diagnosed with depression should NOT meditate.


Sources for this? As far as I'm concerned, meditation is a heck of a lot safer and effective than those neuro-altering mood-lightener medications on the market today.
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Re: Try going without and discover the inner richness within

Unread postby bochen787 » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 16:50:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'I')n general this is good advice.

The problem is that it is difficult to follow.



T'is the way the world works. Who do we really have to blame
for peak oil other than otherselves? It's always too difficult to follow.

No one can change you if you don't change yourself.
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Unread postby emailking » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 19:24:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bochen787', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', 'S')ome of these things may be necessary when the time comes, but for now I don't see what good a lot of them will do.

Undernourish myself? That's going to leave me very hungry. I don't find a hungry existence to be very enjoyable.

Showers every other day? Should I come in to work stinking? I most certainly do smell if I don't shower. I don't see how the chemicals are really hurting anything but the dirt and germs. Explain if this is wrong.

For month do practically nothing...not even read?? I understand the whole relaxation and simplification idea, but this seems like overkill.

I'm going to pass thanks. I've managed to cut energy and water bills almost in half while still enjoying myself.


In response to emailking,


I'm am not suggesting you undernourished yourself. There is an adjustment period. At first you will be very hungry all the time, but the body will adjust to the limited amount of food that you feed it, and it will actually become more efficient at processing the foods! Eating raw foods give you more nutrional value, so naturally you can afford to eat less! A pound of chips and a pound of raw broccoli is a WORLD apart! Your thinking is too linear and you are not taking into account the benefits that outweigh whatever initial discomfort you may have.

The same goes for taking a shower every two days. Since you have always taken a shower every day, at first your body WILL STINK ! That’s a given. But if you go without daily showers for a week you will realize your body has adapted to the change!
The human body was not created to take showers every day. The more you ‘cleanse’ yourself the more your body produced extra oils to counterbalance a dried skin. So at first you will be oily and stinking, but your body will produce less and less once you limit your ‘washings’.
Another reason why your body stinks is because you have so much crap inside of you. Did you read the part where I said to do a bowel cleanse, to stop eating junk foods and eat REAL foods? Its the combination of all these factors put together that will help. If you did it right, your body will not stink if you don't take showers for a day or two!!

Why do you have the urge to read? Because you have be conditioned that way since birth, you must know try to break that condition if you want a clear mind.

At lastly, this advice is NOT for saving money. If you read carefully, some of the advice (such as purchasing OPC-3, 4-Life Transfer Factor, fresh organic whole foods) are significantly more expensive than buying junk food!

Read the title, "inner richness within", you missed the point if you thought it was about saving money..


Well, no. I didn't think it was about saving money. I thought it was about preparation, along with the notion that a simplified life is a more enjoyable life.

I never thought about the showers that way. As for eating, I've been anorexic before (for months) and felt like it was torture the whole time. Maybe it was just the mental aspects. Anyways, my goal right now is just to get down to a healthy weight.

How are you supposed to learn if you don't read? I learn much better reading from a book than I do listening to someone. Still, even for people who learn better the other way, they aren't going to succeed if they just ignore homework for instance. I understand that we've screwed ourselves with abusing resources, but sheer pursuit of technology and knowledge I think is a noble cause. What benefits are there to *not* reading anyway? A better memory? I'd much rather be able to pick up a book--or these days, go to a website--and learn about whatever I want to.
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Re: Try going without and discover the inner richness within

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 19:56:36

People are working two and three times as much as they did in the sixties and seventies. Extrapolating from the present situation, peak oilers seem to assume that more hard work (it usually takes the form of a 'back to the land' mentality) is the only way to survive. We have to work work work to get ourselves out of this mess.

Just for the sake of conversation, does anyone here know people who can't seem to stop working, like they have an obsessive compulsive disorder? What on earth are these people going to do if they have to sit still to conserve energy? Will they go berserk, or continue to commit acts of unnecessary household renovation, or other random acts of energy consumption.
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Re: Try going without and discover the inner richness within

Unread postby LGW » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 21:13:18

While this thread has its points, you are going into very squeaky areas.

There is no evidence whatsoever that the EM radiation you are speaking of has any effects aside of warming. Anything sub-terahertz is pretty harmless.

Now, mobile phones, pagers, alarm clocks and computers create a huge deal of stress... and that's what you really wanted to say, wasn't it? Good enough reason to stay away from them. Same deal with the newspapers which only make you depressed.

No need to bring up pseudoscience to argue for those things.

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Re: Try going without and discover the inner richness within

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 21:14:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('o2ny', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'J')ust wanted to add that anyone who has been diagnosed with depression should NOT meditate.


Sources for this? As far as I'm concerned, meditation is a heck of a lot safer and effective than those neuro-altering mood-lightener medications on the market today.


Probably safer, not necessarily more effective. I gave up on meditation because I couldn't sit there/concentrate sufficiently. It didn't really help my sis either. Some folks need to take meds, sad as that is. You wouldn't expect someone to meditate themself out of diabetes or a broken leg, not much sense in expecting them to meditate themself out of another physical problem such as bipolar/unipolar depression.

I envy those who can just dump the meds. Good on ya.
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