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Letter To The american People

Postby bochen787 » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 13:53:49

In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful,

"Permission to fight (against disbelievers) is given to those (believers) who are fought against, because they have been wronged and surely, Allah is Able to give them (believers) victory" [Quran 22:39]

"Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (anything worshipped other than Allah e.g. Satan). So fight you against the friends of Satan; ever feeble is indeed the plot of Satan."[Quran 4:76]

Some American writers have published articles under the title 'On what basis are we fighting?' These articles have generated a number of responses, some of which adhered to the truth and were based on Islamic Law, and others which have not. Here we wanted to outline the truth - as an explanation and warning - hoping for Allah's reward, seeking success and support from Him.

While seeking Allah's help, we form our reply based on two questions directed at the Americans:

(Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you?
Q2)What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

a) You attacked us in Palestine:

(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily.

(ii) It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.

When the Muslims conquered Palestine and drove out the Romans, Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islaam, the religion of all the Prophets peace be upon them. Therefore, the call to a historical right to Palestine cannot be raised against the Islamic Ummah that believes in all the Prophets of Allah (peace and blessings be upon them) - and we make no distinction between them.

(iii) The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone.

(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon.

(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;

(i) These governments prevent our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah, using violence and lies to do so.

(ii) These governments give us a taste of humiliation, and places us in a large prison of fear and subdual.

(iii) These governments steal our Ummah's wealth and sell them to you at a paltry price.

(iv) These governments have surrendered to the Jews, and handed them most of Palestine, acknowledging the existence of their state over the dismembered limbs of their own people.

(v) The removal of these governments is an obligation upon us, and a necessary step to free the Ummah, to make the Shariah the supreme law and to regain Palestine. And our fight against these governments is not separate from out fight against you.

(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.

(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.

(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.

(g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.

(2) These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!!

(3) You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake:

(a) This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.

(b) The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq. These tax dollars are given to Israel for it to continue to attack us and penetrate our lands. So the American people are the ones who fund the attacks against us, and they are the ones who oversee the expenditure of these monies in the way they wish, through their elected candidates.

(c) Also the American army is part of the American people. It is this very same people who are shamelessly helping the Jews fight against us.

(d) The American people are the ones who employ both their men and their women in the American Forces which attack us.

(e) This is why the American people cannot be not innocent of all the crimes committed by the Americans and Jews against us.

(f) Allah, the Almighty, legislated the permission and the option to take revenge. Thus, if we are attacked, then we have the right to attack back. Whoever has destroyed our villages and towns, then we have the right to destroy their villages and towns. Whoever has stolen our wealth, then we have the right to destroy their economy. And whoever has killed our civilians, then we have the right to kill theirs.

The American Government and press still refuses to answer the question:

Why did they attack us in New York and Washington?

If Sharon is a man of peace in the eyes of Bush, then we are also men of peace!!! America does not understand the language of manners and principles, so we are addressing it using the language it understands.

(Q2) As for the second question that we want to answer: What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

(1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

(a) The religion of the Unification of God; of freedom from associating partners with Him, and rejection of this; of complete love of Him, the Exalted; of complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Islam is the religion of all the prophets, and makes no distinction between them - peace be upon them all.

It is to this religion that we call you; the seal of all the previous religions. It is the religion of Unification of God, sincerity, the best of manners, righteousness, mercy, honour, purity, and piety. It is the religion of showing kindness to others, establishing justice between them, granting them their rights, and defending the oppressed and the persecuted. It is the religion of enjoining the good and forbidding the evil with the hand, tongue and heart. It is the religion of Jihad in the way of Allah so that Allah's Word and religion reign Supreme. And it is the religion of unity and agreement on the obedience to Allah, and total equality between all people, without regarding their colour, sex, or language.

(b) It is the religion whose book - the Quran - will remained preserved and unchanged, after the other Divine books and messages have been changed. The Quran is the miracle until the Day of Judgment. Allah has challenged anyone to bring a book like the Quran or even ten verses like it.

(2) The second thing we call you to, is to stop your oppression, lies, immorality and debauchery that has spread among you.

(a) We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest.

We call you to all of this that you may be freed from that which you have become caught up in; that you may be freed from the deceptive lies that you are a great nation, that your leaders spread amongst you to conceal from you the despicable state to which you have reached.

(b) It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind:

(i) You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator. You flee from the embarrassing question posed to you: How is it possible for Allah the Almighty to create His creation, grant them power over all the creatures and land, grant them all the amenities of life, and then deny them that which they are most in need of: knowledge of the laws which govern their lives?

(ii) You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense; precisely what Benjamin Franklin warned you against.

(iii) You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of intoxicants. You also permit drugs, and only forbid the trade of them, even though your nation is the largest consumer of them.

(iv) You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom. You have continued to sink down this abyss from level to level until incest has spread amongst you, in the face of which neither your sense of honour nor your laws object.

Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?

(v) You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

(vi) You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

(vii) You are a nation that practices the trade of sex in all its forms, directly and indirectly. Giant corporations and establishments are established on this, under the name of art, entertainment, tourism and freedom, and other deceptive names you attribute to it.

(viii) And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention.

(xi) You have destroyed nature with your industrial waste and gases more than any other nation in history. Despite this, you refuse to sign the Kyoto agreement so that you can secure the profit of your greedy companies and*industries.

(x) Your law is the law of the rich and wealthy people, who hold sway in their political parties, and fund their election campaigns with their gifts. Behind them stand the Jews, who control your policies, media and economy.

(xi) That which you are singled out for in the history of mankind, is that you have used your force to destroy mankind more than any other nation in history; not to defend principles and values, but to hasten to secure your interests and profits. You who dropped a nuclear bomb on Japan, even though Japan was ready to negotiate an end to the war. How many acts of oppression, tyranny and injustice have you carried out, O callers to freedom?

(xii) Let us not forget one of your major characteristics: your duality in both manners and values; your hypocrisy in manners and principles. All*manners, principles and values have two scales: one for you and one for the others.

(a)The freedom and democracy that you call to is for yourselves and for white race only; as for the rest of the world, you impose upon them your monstrous, destructive policies and Governments, which you call the 'American friends'. Yet you prevent them from establishing democracies. When the Islamic party in Algeria wanted to practice democracy and they won the election, you unleashed your agents in the Algerian army onto them, and to attack them with tanks and guns, to imprison them and torture them - a new lesson from the 'American book of democracy'!!!

(b)Your policy on prohibiting and forcibly removing weapons of mass destruction to ensure world peace: it only applies to those countries which you do not permit to possess such weapons. As for the countries you consent to, such as Israel, then they are allowed to keep and use such weapons to defend their security. Anyone else who you suspect might be manufacturing or keeping these kinds of weapons, you call them criminals and you take military action against them.

(c)You are the last ones to respect the resolutions and policies of International Law, yet you claim to want to selectively punish anyone else who does the same. Israel has for more than 50 years been pushing UN resolutions and rules against the wall with the full support of America.

(d)As for the war criminals which you censure and form criminal courts for - you shamelessly ask that your own are granted immunity!! However, history will not forget the war crimes that you committed against the Muslims and the rest of the world; those you have killed in Japan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Lebanon and Iraq will remain a shame that you will never be able to escape. It will suffice to remind you of your latest war crimes in Afghanistan, in which densely populated innocent civilian villages were destroyed, bombs were dropped on mosques causing the roof of the mosque to come crashing down on the heads of the Muslims praying inside. You are the ones who broke the agreement with the Mujahideen when they left Qunduz, bombing them in Jangi fort, and killing more than 1,000 of your prisoners through suffocation and thirst. Allah alone knows how many people have died by torture at the hands of you and your agents. Your planes remain in the Afghan skies, looking for anyone remotely suspicious.

(e)You have claimed to be the vanguards of Human Rights, and your Ministry of Foreign affairs issues annual reports containing statistics of those countries that violate any Human Rights. However, all these things vanished when the Mujahideen hit you, and you then implemented the methods of the same documented governments that you used to curse. In America, you captured thousands the Muslims and Arabs, took them into custody with neither reason, court trial, nor even disclosing their names. You issued newer, harsher laws.

What happens in Guatanamo is a historical embarrassment to America and its values, and it screams into your faces - you hypocrites, "What is the value of your signature on any agreement or treaty?"

(3) What we call you to thirdly is to take an honest stance with yourselves - and I doubt you will do so - to discover that you are a nation without principles or manners, and that the values and principles to you are something which you merely demand from others, not that which you yourself must adhere to.

(4) We also advise you to stop supporting Israel, and to end your support of the Indians in Kashmir, the Russians against the Chechens and to also cease supporting the Manila Government against the Muslims in Southern Philippines.

(5) We also advise you to pack your luggage and get out of our lands. We desire for your goodness, guidance, and righteousness, so do not force us to send you back as cargo in coffins.

(6) Sixthly, we call upon you to end your support of the corrupt leaders in our countries. Do not interfere in our politics and method of education. Leave us alone, or else expect us in New York and Washington.

(7) We also call you to deal with us and interact with us on the basis of mutual interests and benefits, rather than the policies of sub dual, theft and occupation, and not to continue your policy of supporting the Jews because this will result in more disasters for you.

If you fail to respond to all these conditions, then prepare for fight with the Islamic Nation. The Nation of Monotheism, that puts complete trust on Allah and fears none other than Him. The Nation which is addressed by its Quran with the words: "Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him if you are believers. Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of believing people. And remove the anger of their (believers') hearts. Allah accepts the repentance of whom He wills. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise." [Quran9:13-1]

The Nation of honour and respect:

"But honour, power and glory belong to Allah, and to His Messenger (Muhammad- peace be upon him) and to the believers." [Quran 63:8]

"So do not become weak (against your enemy), nor be sad, and you will be*superior ( in victory )if you are indeed (true) believers" [Quran 3:139]

The Nation of Martyrdom; the Nation that desires death more than you desire life:

"Think not of those who are killed in the way of Allah as dead. Nay, they are alive with their Lord, and they are being provided for. They rejoice in what Allah has bestowed upon them from His bounty and rejoice for the sake of those who have not yet joined them, but are left behind (not yet martyred) that on them no fear shall come, nor shall they grieve. They rejoice in a grace and a bounty from Allah, and that Allah will not waste the reward of the believers." [Quran 3:169-171]

The Nation of victory and success that Allah has promised:

"It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad peace be upon him) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it victorious over all other religions even though the Polytheists hate it." [Quran 61:9]

"Allah has decreed that 'Verily it is I and My Messengers who shall be victorious.' Verily Allah is All-Powerful, All-Mighty." [Quran 58:21]

The Islamic Nation that was able to dismiss and destroy the previous evil Empires like yourself; the Nation that rejects your attacks, wishes to remove your evils, and is prepared to fight you. You are well aware that the Islamic Nation, from the very core of its soul, despises your haughtiness and arrogance.

If the Americans refuse to listen to our advice and the goodness, guidance and righteousness that we call them to, then be aware that you will lose this Crusade Bush began, just like the other previous Crusades in which you were humiliated by the hands of the Mujahideen, fleeing to your home in great silence and disgrace. If the Americans do not respond, then their fate will be that of the Soviets who fled from Afghanistan to deal with their military defeat, political breakup, ideological downfall, and economic bankruptcy.

This is our message to the Americans, as an answer to theirs. Do they now know why we fight them and over which form of ignorance, by the permission of Allah, we shall be victorious?
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 14:07:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.
Have you ever heard the saying “he who lives by the sword will die by the sword”? The people of the world are not free and have had their right to choose taken away from us.

When you see a candidate up for election it is because their party put them up to it. Every candidate has already been bought off. They have agendas that we do not, are not ours and would not support as seen by the fact that the numbers of people who actually vote drops every year.

But you will still kill us, even if we did not condone these actions. Your politicians (ie Palestine) make deals and are corrupt but you kill us, not our leaders and not your leaders.

I read your post and all I can say is that since I am condemned by the very fact that I am not and never will be a muslim it sets up a you against us situation. According to you:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (anything worshipped other than Allah e.g. Satan). So fight you against the friends of Satan; ever feeble is indeed the plot of Satan."[Quran 4:76”

If we are not muslim we are automatically friends of Satan and should therefore be destroyed. While I agree with a lot of your post (ie Palestine) I can not, nor will I ever willingly let you kill me. If there is no way we can live in peace (if I am muslim then I will be glad to die for Allah and if I am not muslim then I must die to appease Allah) then I will choose myself, family and countrymen over yours.

I will still act with consciounce and protest and write letters against the acts of the government. The tear gas sucks but most pain heals in time. I will still fight any and every way I know for all the peoples in the world (child labour, destroying rain forests, murder in Somalia) but it will be regardless of religion because I don’t care what your religion is. Yes, many of us will die off and should but hopefully what is left will be worth it. And don’t give me that crap about Shariah law or Islam being better for women or not taking advantage of them. Tell that to the girl who was raped by the men of her village as a penalty because her brother talked to a girl of the wrong caste.

So to answer your question why do we fight you in the first place? you have given me the answer... because apparently we have to or be exterminated. No thanks.

P.S. apparently (from your post) even Satan is more compassionate and forgiving than your Allah. Natas Satanas, Ave Satanas, All Hail Satan!
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby bochen787 » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 14:19:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.
Have you ever heard the saying “he who lives by the sword will die by the sword”? The people of the world are not free and have had their right to choose taken away from us.

When you see a candidate up for election it is because their party put them up to it. Every candidate has already been bought off. They have agendas that we do not, are not ours and would not support as seen by the fact that the numbers of people who actually vote drops every year.

But you will still kill us, even if we did not condone these actions. Your politicians (ie Palestine) make deals and are corrupt but you kill us, not our leaders and not your leaders.

I read your post and all I can say is that since I am condemned by the very fact that I am not and never will be a muslim it sets up a you against us situation. According to you:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (anything worshipped other than Allah e.g. Satan). So fight you against the friends of Satan; ever feeble is indeed the plot of Satan."[Quran 4:76”

If we are not muslim we are automatically friends of Satan and should therefore be destroyed. While I agree with a lot of your post (ie Palestine) I can not, nor will I ever willingly let you kill me. If there is no way we can live in peace (if I am muslim then I will be glad to die for Allah and if I am not muslim then I must die to appease Allah) then I will choose myself, family and countrymen over yours.

I will still act with consciounce and protest and write letters against the acts of the government. The tear gas sucks but most pain heals in time. I will still fight any and every way I know for all the peoples in the world (child labour, destroying rain forests, murder in Somalia) but it will be regardless of religion because I don’t care what your religion is. Yes, many of us will die off and should but hopefully what is left will be worth it. And don’t give me that crap about Shariah law or Islam being better for women or not taking advantage of them. Tell that to the girl who was raped by the men of her village as a penalty because her brother talked to a girl of the wrong caste.

So to answer your question why do we fight you in the first place? you have given me the answer... because apparently we have to or be exterminated. No thanks.

P.S. apparently (from your post) even Satan is more compassionate and forgiving than your Allah. Natas Satanas, Ave Satanas, All Hail Satan!


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', '[')b]
I read your post and all I can say is that since I am condemned by the very fact that I am not and never will be a muslim it sets up a you against us situation.


-first let it be known that this message is the message written by Osama Bin Laden specifically to the American people. I did not write this message myself and nor do I advocate the Muslim religious, beliefs, practices. (as I am atheist myself)

-second, I realize the Open Forum rules and regulations do not allow posting of entire copyrighted articles nor repetitive posts. This is as of now no longer a repetitive post. It is also not a copyrighted articles since that last time I checked I don't think the international community, nor the United States gave or recognized Bin Laden's copyrights, nor did Bin Laden himself copyright the work. Personally I would think he would believe it was Allah's will that his message of truth is spread to the ears of those who are ignorant.

Having said that, I choose to post this because no matter what you think of Bin Laden, he has put in not so many words exactly the sentiments of my own.


I do not support attacks on America. This is not because of any morality reason, but because I live in America and I do not want to be bombed.

However, I agree with a lot of what Osama Bin Laden has said, and if you read carefully,
You would sooner gain more truth and enlightenment of the State of your Union and the world by reading Bin Laden’s Letter to the American People than you will ever get from watching FOX or listening to the crazy mad ape in office ranting his freedom, liberty, justice preemptive strike propaganda machine over and over again like a broken record....
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 14:26:07

I read the whole thing through... twice, more in some places. First of all I am not American. I am or though I was well informed about what is really going on out there however after reading this I have to wonder.

I am coming to the conclusion that we might not know what is really don't know what is going on over there (middle east). If they are bent on our destruction just because we aren't muslim then what alternative does that leave us but in an "us" or "them" situation?

You can't argue or find a basis for negotiation with a religious zealot who demands your life because he sees your existence as a sin against Allah... There is no other alternative by his reasoning. Its either kill or be killed.
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby bochen787 » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 14:41:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'I') read the whole thing through... twice, more in some places. First of all I am not American. I am or though I was well informed about what is really going on out there however after reading this I have to wonder.

I am coming to the conclusion that we might not know what is really don't know what is going on over there (middle east). If they are bent on our destruction just because we aren't muslim then what alternative does that leave us but in an "us" or "them" situation?

You can't argue or find a basis for negotiation with a religious zealot who demands your life because he sees your existence as a sin against Allah... There is no other alternative by his reasoning. Its either kill or be killed.


- I agree. Personally I think the world would be a lot better off without religion at all. Across the ages, countless wars have been fought, blood have been shed, life has been sacrifice for religion, and for the battle between religions. Personally, I think all religions are false and man created religion because he was hardwired from the start to see things that weren’t there. It was an adaptational advantage, but know is a vestigial curse to humanity.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', ' ')You can't argue or find a basis for negotiation with a religious zealot who demands your life because he sees your existence as a sin against Allah... There is no other alternative by his reasoning. Its either kill or be killed.

I’m sure the Native American’s thought the same about White Americans. I should tell you that the Americans broke EVERY SINGLE TREATY they have ever signed with the Native Americans. Each time they promised this was the last time, and each time they lied. Eventually.. well you know the story…. The war machine is to Americans what religion is the to Middle East. Ask the Natives if they thought a ‘basis for negotiation’ with the White men were possible. I’m sure they tried.

You are missing one crucial fact:

The problem is, the Arabs are NOT the ones in our land attacking and bombing our children, destroying our homes and robbing our resources. The Arabs are not the ones with Gigantic Military Killing Machines that are targeting our homeland, bulldozing our buildings, knocking down our Statue of Liberty. They do not have soldiers occupying our land (technically not even our land), raping American woman or cutting off the balls of American men. Sure they did 9/11, but 9/11 was but a drop in the bucket compared to what the US did to them. 9/11 was the act of a few terrorists, that cannot be compared to the prolonged repeated conquering, occupy, exploiting, and repressing of entire nations at the thumb and whip of the US Wheel-of-Evil Empire.

They are not the ones imposing economical sanctions on our nation, starving our children and weakening our population. They are not the ones who have Mac Mansions and drive luxury SUV’s and have Comcast internetS and living the grandiose life at the expense of poor third world nations of the entire world.

Imagine if such things happened to America? Unimaginable..
Think about that..

The pitiful thing is they can’t even get a fair revenge..

Are you beginning to see the imbalance?

What freedom do we really have? Do you think the citizens of America could find a ‘basis of negotiation’ with the Big Corporations of America? or with its current government? Americans yell and scream freedom down the throats of other people, but they fail to see they themselves are the least free of all. Their addiction to oil and free shopping spree and lustful desires has not only enslaved themselves, but held captive are also the innocent citizens and youth of Middle Eastern nations and countless other countries across the world. They are so morally and fiscally deprived that they have dragged the chains of slavery unto the entire world. Is this anyone’s idea of a model of ‘freedom’? America's freedom and happiness directly comes from the expense of others, depriving them of their fair share of ‘freedom’, and yet these US hypocrites turn around and decree other nations need to be further ‘liberated’ to perpetuate their American Entitlement.

Do not for a second confuse standard of living for freedom, especially when you realize America’s high standard of living comes directly from the expense of those already much less fortunate.

I’m sure some Americans will do anything to defend the name of their country and their lifestyle, despite all facts to the contrary. Is that not as powerful or perhaps more powerful than Middle Eastern religious zeal? Too bad for the Middle Eastern religious nuts who don't know this, but in this world those with big weapons & Advanced Killing Machines ALWAYS WIN.. The existence of American in this universe proves that there is no justice and fairness in this world, and also that there cannot possibly be any ‘God’, for no God would be so cruel. Foolish Muslims….

It is not so bold an assertion nor an exaggeration to make to say that America is the single greatest threat to humanity. And the Greatest Disgrace and disservice to all life forms on earth.
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 14:56:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')It is also not a copyrighted articles since that last time I checked I don't think the international community, nor the United States gave or recognized Bin Laden's copyrights, nor did Bin Laden himself copyright the work.
I believe that its being an "open letter to all American's" means it does not qualify as copywrited although should be sourced if only to keep ownership clear.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ersonally I would think he would believe it was Allah's will that his message of truth is spread to the ears of those who are ignorant.

If some pervert were to walk up to me on the street and start spewing his filth doesn't mean I have to listen to it even if he has the right of free speech. He may think my morality is hindering me from being a free individual because in my present state I am not free from cultural and societal restraints but that is only his oppinion and one I would vociferously contest... you know?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')aving said that, I choose to post this because no matter what you think of Bin Laden, he has put in not so many words exactly the sentiments of my own.
Then why not only quote the things you do believe or agree with. Otherwise what is your purpose in putting all of this here if you don't agree with most of it?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') do not support attacks on America. This is not because of any morality reason, but because I live in America and I do not want to be bombed.
I don't live in America, I still don't want it to be bombed just as I don't want Palestinians to be killed, to have their duly elected governments killed and to have Africans enslaved to the average North American's coffee habit.

So what. That is what free speach is about. Look at Ghandi... he used non-free speech he stood up to the English Empire and WON! What does empathizing with a the plight of a people have to do with thinking they have the right to kill anyone who doesn't agree with them ideologically????

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')owever, I agree with a lot of what Osama Bin Laden has said, and if you read carefully, You would sooner gain more truth and enlightened of the State of your Union and the world by reading Bin Laden’s Letter to the American People than you will ever get from watching FOX or listening to the crazy mad ape in office ranting his freedom, liberty, justice preemptive strike propaganda machine over and over again like a broken record....

Personally, I think they are all nuts... and I am wondering about you [:razz]...but that's just my oppinion.
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby altlewis » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 15:46:05

There are several points that need some clarification for me
Let’s start with the easy one
Drove Romans out... Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islam
hmm... are you sure about that?

I thought the roman occupation predated Islam?
as in Rome occupied Palestine about 500 to 600 years before their prophet was born, were there Muslims prior to their founders birth?

a side question? Do you know why all crusaders are Christian and there are no examples of crusading Muslims?
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby rogerhb » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 15:47:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', '[')b]The people of the world are not free and have had their right to choose taken away from us


Surely the "us" should be "them" to be consistent. Or alternatively "We are not free and had our right ....."
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby 0mar » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 16:12:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('altlewis', 'T')here are several points that need some clarification for me
Let’s start with the easy one
Drove Romans out... Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islam
hmm... are you sure about that?

I thought the roman occupation predated Islam?
as in Rome occupied Palestine about 500 to 600 years before their prophet was born, were there Muslims prior to their founders birth?

a side question? Do you know why all crusaders are Christian and there are no examples of crusading Muslims?


Strictly speaking, the Crusades were launched by Europe in the 9th through 12th centuries aim at reclaiming the Holy Land (Jerusalem and ancient Israel).

Muslims invaded Spain, Istanbul (previously known as Constatinople) and other southern European areas.

So we have Christian Crusaders and Muslim Invaders, from a historic PoV.

Roman Occupation of Arabia was minimal at best. After the fall of the Roman empire, Muslim armies conquered (or inherited) most of the Middle East and parts of North and Eastern Africa.
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby altlewis » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 18:08:53

So if there was no Islam before the occupation how can the phrase “returned to Islam” be seen as anything except dubious?
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby 0mar » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 18:27:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('altlewis', 'S')o if there was no Islam before the occupation how can the phrase “returned to Islam” be seen as anything except dubious?


Bin Laden is trying to run a war, facts are secondary. History has shown this to be true regardless of creed, religion or station.

Although a lot of history is pretty spot on, some of the other statements are shady at best.
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby altlewis » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 19:09:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('altlewis', 'S')o if there was no Islam before the occupation how can the phrase “returned to Islam” be seen as anything except dubious?


Bin Laden is trying to run a war, facts are secondary. History has shown this to be true regardless of creed, religion or station.

Although a lot of history is pretty spot on, some of the other statements are shady at best.


ok, so you don’t think that was a grammatical error and would categorize that as a “on purpose lie”?

By "although a lot of the history is pretty spot on" can i take that to mean a lot of the historically verifiable things written above are true?
If so could you point to the one that would be the oldest?
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby peakaboo » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 23:19:26

Hate to burst your bubble, but Islam is a cult, not a religion. The fact that over a billion people believe the crap in the Koran, if they can even read it, does not make it true. Islam is based on violence and submission.

If you'd like to be honest with yourself please see the following links:

Cult or religion?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50218.htm

Religion of Peace...not. Scroll down to the table at the bottom...over 4600 separate islamic based murderous attacks in the past 4+ years all over the world, not including 9/11:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

The Koran and supporting "scripture" put in somewhat readable order and in context of parallel events:
http://prophetofdoom.net/pdf.aspx?g=401&i=41002

Wake up. Political Correctness will be our downfall.
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby hansel » Sat 08 Apr 2006, 00:49:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peakaboo', '
')Religion of Peace...not. Scroll down to the table at the bottom...over 4600 separate islamic based murderous attacks in the past 4+ years all over the world, not including 9/11:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Wake up. Political Correctness will be our downfall.


That's really funny.

It made me think of a cartoon. Picture this if you will: A couple of US marines in the middle east, both wearing some kind of armbands that say "Warriors for jesus" ('cause you know how America is supposedly a christian nation and lots of GIs believe in that rubbish), they are shooting some Iraqis and the caption reads "God damned Iraqis. If only they really understood peace. Maybe we could reason with them. I blame Islam. Religion of Peace... not!"

Do you understand irony?

4600+ murderous attacks by islamicists! Whoah that's a big number. But wait, this will blow your mind. I actually I have a bigger one. By the way these are 2003 figures and they are a lowball estimate.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')American authorities have consistently refused to quote casualties other than among Coalition troops (805 deaths, according to a current UN report). The UN puts the deaths of Iraqi soldiers at 11,000, while estimates of the collateral deaths of Iraqi civilians from the war have varied from 8,875-10,275 (UN) to 21,700-55,000 (Medact, UK, November 2003).


But hey, (to paraphrase Stalin) the destruction of the world trade centre was a tragedy... The Iraqi body count is just a statistic.

Excuse me while I go and have puke. Just writing about this stuff makes me feel physically sick.

And when did Politcal Correctness become being against attacking a country and killing people.
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby peakaboo » Sat 08 Apr 2006, 10:52:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t made me think of a cartoon. Picture this if you will...


What's ironic is that you had to think of a cartoon...i'm referencing something real, unfortunately.

That's ok though...want to conjure up some imaginative scenarios? Read this one:

http://www.dansimmons.com/news/message.htm

How about some real perspective from an arab american:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/ ... 19543&only

LGF is a great informative site for this stuff if anyone would like to learn more about what we're up against...at least they keep to the facts, not rely on propaganda.
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby bochen787 » Sat 08 Apr 2006, 11:27:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peakaboo', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '4')600+ murderous attacks by islamicists! Whoah that's a big number. But wait, this will blow your mind. I actually I have a bigger one. By the way these are 2003 figures and they are a lowball estimate.


I just autosummed the tables listed on the website I referenced and the numbers are:

Killed in the name of Islam: 28,457 (including 3000 for 9/11)
Injured in the name of Islam: 49,847

Your post seems to ignore the fact that coalistion forces target terrorists and enemy soldiers, making every attempt to avoid collateral damage to innocents. Iraqi insurgents and terrorists target coalition soldiers and intentionally try to kill civilians...including children and women with no sense of remorse. When was the last time you heard of terrorists rebuilding power plants, schools and water systems and providing food to starving people all around the world?

BIG difference.


Peakaboo,

You can argue all you want. But who's better off? The American people or the people of nations it attacks?

Who sends their kids to private schools, piano lessons, soccer games, football games, to cheerleading tryouts, to UIL's??

American has manipulated global markets and currency in the past to pay of its massive debt, and then when the third world suffers directly because of its actions it gives a tiny little aid and call it a great humanitarian effort.

It's comparable to robbing a bank and giving back the spare change in your pocket. Its an PR act, you should see it for what it really is.

I'll bet anything that the Iraq people would much RATHER fix our national highways, if it means there citizens could live OUR lifestyle..

My question to you American's : would you switch places with the third world that you terrorize? if you can't say yes, then stop bitching.
Put your money where your mouth is you hypocrites.
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby mekrob » Sat 08 Apr 2006, 12:10:54

Peakaboo, hate to burst your bubble, but the authenticity or validity of Islam is not the question of the topic. I don't know why you brought it up. But to address it anyway, following your little link as to whether it's a cult or religion, you could apply any of those rules to other major religions around the world. How many Christians still reject evolution? How many still believe in the resurrection? The 7 day creation? All of these contradict science, yet are believed to be held true by millions upon millions of Christians.
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby peakaboo » Sat 08 Apr 2006, 12:12:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '4')600+ murderous attacks by islamicists! Whoah that's a big number. But wait, this will blow your mind. I actually I have a bigger one. By the way these are 2003 figures and they are a lowball estimate.


I just autosummed the tables listed on the website I referenced and the numbers are:

Killed in the name of Islam: 28,457 (including 3000 for 9/11)
Injured in the name of Islam: 49,847

Your post seems to ignore the fact that coalition forces target terrorists and enemy soldiers, making every attempt to avoid collateral damage to innocents. Iraqi insurgents and terrorists target coalition soldiers and intentionally try to kill civilians...including children and women with no sense of remorse. When was the last time you heard of terrorists rebuilding power plants, schools and water systems and providing food to starving people all around the world?

BIG difference.
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby bochen787 » Sat 08 Apr 2006, 12:20:41

Peakaboo,

Let me present another analogy. Metaphorically speaking, you and others like you are the type of people who would complain that handicap parking spaces are unfair because that means you have to walk furthur, or that its unfair that the homeless doesn't have to pay any taxes. But let me assure you that the handicapped would much rather have their HEALTH back than a handicap placard, and the homeless would much rather have a roof over their heads, a nice warm cozy bed with a family and kids and take vacations to exotic places twice a year and would be MORE THAN HAPPY to pay those taxes that you would so despise.

The point is, the grass is NOT always greener on the other side, certaintly not when the 'other side' is someplace in the Middle East.

Bottomline: who has benefited because of America's actions over the last two hundred years? Certaintly not the Native Americans.....

Something to think about ya know...
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Re: Letter To The american People

Postby mekrob » Sat 08 Apr 2006, 13:04:07

Guess who does build schools, roads, businesses, etc and feeds the poor? HAMAAS. Why? To gain political power and influence. So that the people will support them and their actions. It's the same thing with the US. If the US didn't do the same things, then the people would rebel and oil production would be even harder and the American gaining of Iraqi oil will be far far more difficult. They don't give a shit about Iraqis. The US is doing it simply for oil.
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