[Peak_Plus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')If it were absolutely proven that there were no god, people would go on surviving just as they always have done. Since people seem to be wired to construct some higher unknowable, intangible, non-physical, illusory reality in order to face our sometimes dire conditions, they would simply make up some new belief to use as a crutch despite the proof to the contrary. It's just a useful lie to deal with extreme difficulty.

That's all belief has ever been is a delusory crutch.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peak_Plus', '
')But one last question: If there is no God / spiritual reality behind all of this, then why bother at all?

[turmoil]

As someone who is also 21, I'd like to add the following:

"Some men storm imaginary Alps all their lives, and die in the foothills cursing difficulties which do not exist." Edgar Watson Howe

http://www.wow4u.com/worry/index.html

(most of them are good, a few push the limits of our times)

[PenultimateManStanding]

Yellowstone is due to blow up. It's a "super volcano" which will cover the US in ashes and kill everybody. Hope this helps.

[aldente]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peak_Plus', 'A')lbente - WHAT does dogma have to do with personal belief?

[bochen787]

Thanks again for some of the comments!

I don't blame this entirely on the American government. The people in China are getting the same mentality too; human nature is avaricious and ruthless, give the right opportunity.

Gvil, I respect your believes in a higher power and I don’t want to turn this into a religious discussion. But to let you know, I have been on both sides of the fence. I know
How it is to live a ‘Christian’ life and the essence of what it means to be a true believer, and I can also see things from the strong atheist’s point of view. And finally I see things from just MY own personal perspective, with my own taint on things. I could defend religions just as well as I could denounce them. But the truth is Gvil, there is no god.
I could debate this with you, but I see no need to. Of all the uncertainties in this world, I am certain of the fact that a supposedly omnipotent and perfect all loving ‘God’ who takes on human characteristics and who intervenes with the affairs of mankind, who creates a universe that even allows imperfection on any level is a direct contradiction and absolute absurdity beyond all reasonable and/or unreasonable doubt.



http://brainsump.50megs.com/vintage/as/yhwh.html -- (logical and common sense proof that God is impossible, proof by contradiction)
http://www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm - Her invisible Pink Highness!

http://www.geocities.com/evoatheism/main.html -- (shows how it was actually man who made God, and not the other way around)

http://www.mwillett.org/atheism/atheism1.htm -- (an insightful view of a much clearer perspective of reality)

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ -- (shows just how many error, fallacies, absurdities, and self contradictions that are contained in a supposedly perfect work of God)

I’d like you to take a good hard look at those five links above before you argue with me.

I would be less offended if people who have their own beliefs would keep it to themselves. Instead, lies are spread as truth, missionaries preach the gospel twisting and convoluting what is reality that even the most intellectual of people will fall for these ridiculous bullsh*t. Smart person are skilled at defending ridiculously believes derived from non-smart reasons. So I feel that I have the prerogative to spread a little ‘truth’ of my own here, especially since Christianity really has no ground.

It should also be noted, that on a practical level our world would be a lot better off if religion never existed. But I think that religion and the eternal human denial of reality and believe in unwarranted optimism (Iraq war/ peak oil situation anyone?) is hardwired innate in our mind, and what is going to screw us all.

HEY -> Maybe this world is just a dream? Maybe there is a ‘divine’ ONENESS of all existence and we are part of it but we just don’t know? But the Christian God with all his doings and teachings (there are more errors in the Bible than any other book ever written)
Are just bullshit and UNDEFENDABLE!

~ Yeah, humans are superior and all the animals and plants are put here for us to have dominion over, we are to be fruitful and multiply and thank heavenly father for all the blessings which he has given us, and don’t forget all the stars in the universe were put into place so we could have some light to see at night, and humans exists for the sole purpose of GOD’s good pleasure~ (why doesn’t he just masturbate for good pleasure?)

Sorry for my ranting guys, I just can’t tolerate bullshit much these days anymore.

[bochen787]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peak_Plus', ' ')But one last question: If there is no God / spiritual reality behind all of this, then why bother at all?
We're all going to die. Also your children are going to die, and humanity will someday be extinct. Who cares?

[Peak_Plus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peak_Plus', '
')But one last question: If there is no God / spiritual reality behind all of this, then why bother at all?