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Anything else I don't know about? Please help!

Unread postby bochen787 » Fri 31 Mar 2006, 15:43:45

Hi everybody,

I’m new to this peak oil forum and the reason for my posting today is I want
To know if there is anything else that requires a major and fundamental shift
In my current way of thinking and believes and models of reality and life in general that I
Do not know about? Peak oil is definitely number #1 on my list right now.
But just a few months ago I knew NOTHING about ‘peak’ oil crisis and seriously this new knowledge has made me wonder what else I don’t know that I should be knowing….

Just as an example. Am a 21, and just a few years back when in high school my honest to truth ‘vision’ of the future was that of continuous increase of standard of living in
American and throughout the world. Sounds crazy and stupid now in hindsight, but back then it was pretty rational assumption to me.

As a youngster I remember reading Isaac Asimov’s science books (for kids) and believing that one day (if not in my lifetime then in my grandkids lifetime) we will travel to the stars and colonize other faraway planets.

As we grow and learn our model of reality changes. We get closer and closer to the ‘truth’.

Just last year I had a fundamental shift in the way I thought about food, nutriention, doctors, FDA, organized medicine, etc. I learned that everything we have been told
By so called ‘medical professions’, the FDA, the USDA and even up to the government Food Pyramid is full of lies, false data, and big corporations sabotaging our health to gain the extra profits. Even the very doctors who are trying to help us are…
Anyways..

I provide some links in case other’s may be interested.
www.truthpublishing.com/
http://www.honestfoodguide.org/
http://www.newstarget.com/

I’ve had acne most of my teenage life and been to plenty of doctors and dermatologists and specialists, and each of them always told me that diet had no effect whatsoever on acne. The conventional pamphlets and brochures all said the same thing, that eating sugary foods, spicy foods, junk food had no negative effect whatsoever on acne, and they claim to back that statement up with ‘scientific studies’. The truth is they LIE.
I had the learn the lesson the HARD way after finding out that diet (what you eat) has EVERYTHING to do with my acne. In fact, now I am more convinced than ever that a Western Diet is what causes people who are already genetically prone to acne (individuals like myself) to develop and exacerbate the condition into uncontrollable full blown acne. After this I completely lost faith in ‘doctors’ and the so called expert “medical profession’. After all, if they can’t even get a simple thing like acne facts straight, I wonder what else they have been getting wrong and how much innocent people had to suffer because of this.

The point is, later I became more open minded to things and learned a lot more about the way things are instead of the way we are ‘told’ they are.

I learned how evil this American government truly is. I won’t need to elaborate.

And now recently I learned about ‘peak oil’. Peak Oil makes everything else seem trivial and insignificant in comparison. (who care’s if the FDA is being bribed by the evil Big Pharma if we are returning to the stone age in a few decades????)

In a nutshell, my question to you people out there is this:
Is there anything else of greater ‘truth’ that effects the life of all of us that
Conventional thinking people doesn’t know about? I know about the evils of the
FDA and prescription drugs, I know about the War on Terror propaganda, I
Know about the lie and hoax of ‘God’ and religion to confuse and control the masses, I know about peak oil and the coming collapse of civilization as we know it,
But at each stage just as I though for sure this time nothing can get worse it often does.
Is there any other bad/dark news I need to be warned about?


Thanks
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Unread postby jimk » Fri 31 Mar 2006, 17:00:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bochen787', '
')Is there any other bad/dark news I need to be warned about?


Sounds like you're growing up fast! There is probably endless bad news floating around. What about the real estate bubble, or nuclear weapons proliferation, or ocean fish stocks, etc.

But all this bad news can be paralyzing, and there is no point in being paralyzed. It's good to have as accurate a picture of the facts as possible. The facts may not be what one would like them to be, or what one expected them to be, or was told they were. All that is of little importance. The real question is, what sorts of opportunities get opened up. The fact that different people understand the facts differently is a very good thing. And if one stays alive, one will continue to develop new perspectives. This variety and evolution is what life is all about. Look for opportunities where you can help and learn at the same time, where you can grow into new and richer opportunities.

I would recommend studying history and also other cultures around the world. For example, study the thirty year's war, 1618-1648. The Grey Eminence by Aldous Huxley is a great book to get one picture of it. Also study the declining Roman Empire - perhaps I, Claudius by Robert Graves. The point is, the world is pretty much always in totally chaotic collapse!
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Unread postby NeoPeasant » Fri 31 Mar 2006, 17:24:00

Don't swallow the whole bottle of red pills at once.
The battle to preserve our lifestyle has already been lost. The battle to preserve our lives is just beginning.
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Unread postby RonMN » Fri 31 Mar 2006, 17:33:37

Take a few deep breaths & google search "Bird Flu"...or see the bird flu thread under CURRENT EVENTS.

On a good note...slice up an onion & lay it on the skin...that will cure acne. However DON'T BURN YOURSELF!!! try it for 1 minute the first time...the work your way up to 2...3...4 minutes (etc.). See how it works for your own skin.
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Unread postby oowolf » Fri 31 Mar 2006, 17:40:48

I recommend you read the Amazon customers' reviews of this book: Click

The book is less than 150 pages and describes the current human predicament more succinctly than anything I've read. Our species/society is insane. The author offers a way for an individual to to find a saner way of living.

You've expressed a willingness to look beyond the distractainment and hype of so-called petroindustrial "civilization". Good for you and good luck.
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Unread postby bob_loblaw » Fri 31 Mar 2006, 18:29:04

ark.. here are a couple of tidbits for ya..



go google some info on 'fiat currency'

and see if that leads you down the road to the creation of the federal reserve.. red hot printing presses... inflation yeae haaa.. We're talkin big lies now.

or.. google something like great depression + central banks

and see if that doesn't lead you down the same path to how the Fed are a buncha criminal bankers. Learn a bit about the greenback and the currency Kennedy wanted to bring in...

ya big huge lies in the money system.. big red pill there for those who thought it was actually based on .. something/ anything.
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Unread postby mattduke » Fri 31 Mar 2006, 20:12:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bob_loblaw', 's')ee if that doesn't lead you down the same path to how the Fed are a buncha criminal bankers...

Oh come on! This guy is too young for that kind of knowledge. Let him live in blissful ignorance for a few more years before you saddle him with that one. Next you're going to tell him Santa Claus doesn't exist, aren't you? His friends are going to think he's crazy when he's running around wild-eyed yelling to everyone: "Don't you see what they are doing??? Thomas Jefferson was right!!! fractional-reserve banking is evil!!! My god we're all slaves!!!" just like the Mogambo Guru.
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Unread postby Carlhole » Fri 31 Mar 2006, 20:14:38

Peak Oil notables such as Richard Heinberg, Michael Ruppert and Barrie Zwicker (producer/host of the film 'End of Surburbia') believe or strongly suspect that elements of the US Gov't engineered or allowed the attacks of 911 in order to rally the nation to a long war in the Middle East and Central Asia over the control of energy resources and ultimately, the world.

Just yesterday, David Ray Griffin, author of 'The New Pearl Harbor' discussed the reasons why he and many others think so. Give it a listen and pass it on.

Dr. David Ray Griffin at Grand Lake Theater - Audio Download
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Unread postby bochen787 » Fri 31 Mar 2006, 20:41:43

Thanks for the replies everyone! I will take note of your advice.

To the person who said 'ignorance is bliss' you are so right! I still keep
wishing to myself this 'peak oil' is somehow greatly exaggerated, but
the more I examine it the more real it becomes.

And sadly, we can only do so much to prepare. A lot of it is truly beyond us.

one things for sure, we live in interesting times indeed! What are the odds that my own biological peak (20-22 age range) will precisely coincide with the peak of oil on earth! Something that has been billions of years in the making! it's like witnessing a historical solar eclipse, of all the generations that came before me, and all the generations that will come after me, I get the privilege of witnessing the greatest event in the history of man, a once in a forever event.

Add in nuclear war, global warming, AIDS/SARS/Bird Flu, collapse of the American Empire, the coming China America conflict, interesting times indeed!

Although, I do wonder what the religious people will think or say when
their 'God' doesn't come back. I bet they'll blame it on the unbelievers lack of faith..
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Unread postby Novus » Fri 31 Mar 2006, 20:50:32

Since you seem to be interested in food, there is a very good book out there called: The slow Posioning of America

I am sure you can relate to just about everything this book. It is a very good read and it could be the imputis that gets you into a more organic lifestyle. Many advocate here the best way to deal with PO is to learn to grow your own food. Not only is it more healthy for you it is better for the planet as well. See the planning for the future forum for more info.

If you think the FDA is bunch or lieing criminals then take a look at the lies the US Geological Survey has been pedeling. They are even more in bed with Big Oil than the FDA is with agribusiness and big pharma. Never listen to anything the USGS says about Peak Oil. They are trying to get rich at your expense.

All in all the best advise is to get your mind in order for the comming crisis. You are now part of a priviledged few who can see the approach of the greatest event in human history. You can feel somewhat at ease knowing you will not be blindsided by the peak oil crisis like of the world. Read the posts here and elsewhere. Go to the library and check out some of the PO books.
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Unread postby kochevnik » Fri 31 Mar 2006, 22:05:03

:!:

Ask yourself why there is 80 years between:

American Revolution 1780
Civil War 1860
WWII 1940

- then add 80 to 1940 and think about 2020 - 14 years from now.

- now google 'Fourth Turning'

(you asked).
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Unread postby Gvil » Sat 01 Apr 2006, 00:34:24

Hi, everybody!

Just one remark. I just must tell you that almost all of you are blinded in one very important matter and that is God. Do not be fooled into thinking that he doesn't exist... Religion is wery far from God and does not show Him in true light. It is the very opposite of faith. Read in your Bibles what Jesus really said when He walked on this Earth 2000 years ago. He is the Truth, the ultimate red pill..

Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him, I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all evils, by means of which some having lusted after it were seduced from the faith, and they themselves pierced through by many pains.

2Ti 3:1 But know this, that in the last days grievous times will be upon us.
2Ti 3:2 For men will be lovers of themselves, money-lovers, braggarts, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 without natural feeling, unyielding, slanderers, without self-control, savage, haters of good,
2Ti 3:4 betrayers, reckless, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
2Ti 3:5 having a form of godliness, but denying the power of it; even turn away from these.


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Turn to Jesus. He wil open your eyes forever... 8)
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Unread postby Jellric » Sat 01 Apr 2006, 01:59:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') get the privilege of witnessing the greatest event in the history of man, a once in a forever event.


That's the spirit!

It's one I have in my best moments in spite of having been kickin' it on this ole orb about twice as long as yourself. Meaning I've seen a lot of negative mess and read about a hundred times as much in dusty tomes on old shelves. In spite of everything there is still beauty and wonder to be found and it's useful to keep that in mind.

It's good to remember why the best horror films have a comedic core to them. Why do they again?

Anyhoo, here's to you all!

Cheers! *gulps down some Jack Daniels*

Have a nice weekend everyone.
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Unread postby aldente » Sat 01 Apr 2006, 03:22:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bochen787', '
')I’ve had acne most of my teenage life and been to plenty of doctors and dermatologists and specialists, and each of them always told me that diet had no effect whatsoever on acne.


Hepar Sulfuris 6LM for a couple of weeks, 12 LM and then 18 LM for another few weeks cures the problem entirely. Homeopathy however never has been accepted in the mainstream medical community just as PeakOil is not being accepted in the mainsteam press- for obvious reasons.

And no, the US government is not evil, it is just a reflection of a paradigm that works within parameters that we all have become accustomed to and which puts the utmost effort in keeping the status quo (again for obvious reasons).

It is your call to climb this block and to experience new heights, the future will be here soon and it might be not all bad. Our religious poster probably tried to get a similar point over, however much he works with dogma.
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Unread postby Peak_Plus » Sat 01 Apr 2006, 03:58:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bochen787', '
')And sadly, we can only do so much to prepare. A lot of it is truly beyond us.

one things for sure, we live in interesting times indeed! What are the odds that my own biological peak (20-22 age range) will precisely coincide with the peak of oil on earth! Something that has been billions of years in the making!


I've had this thought thousands of times. Isn't it incredible? Don't you get a real sense of Awe at the greatness of it all? This really is a one-time thing - just like your own life is.

But one last question: If there is no God / spiritual reality behind all of this, then why bother at all?
We're all going to die. Also your children are going to die, and humanity will someday be extinct. Who cares?
Why try to leave an orderly world to your children, if there's no sense in it all, if all there is is "billions and billions of stars" (Carl Sagan - a good atheist)? Why try to solve anything? Why try to invest in your fellow human or a good carrier or a healthy body or in the TRUTH behind things, if there is NO absolute TRUTH? Nietsche (God is dead) commited suicide because of his disbelief.

Think for yourself, and don't take mankind's deepest question - of God and whether we can know him - on the light shoulder. Peak Oil is a trivial question in comparison. All disorder / idiocy / lies of the world fade quickly when this question is faced.

Controlling the masses with religion is another thing...
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Not with a bang but a wimper!
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Unread postby aldente » Sat 01 Apr 2006, 04:24:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peak_Plus', 'I')'ve had this thought thousands of times. Isn't it incredible? Don't you get a real sense of Awe at the greatness of it all? This really is a one-time thing - just like your own life is.


True! This is why we post here I guess, it is a positive feedback loop. In regards to realizing that we are about to experience an extreme change in paradigm however I recognized at some point that there have never been as many human beings on this planet before as there are now. Once you watch Bartletts lecture it becomes less random. The experience of PeakOil will be avaiable to the absolute maximum of human beings in numbers simply per definition. It is not as secretive as it seems to be only because there are less than 100 posters online at any given moment on a website. This thing is real!
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Unread postby Carlhole » Sat 01 Apr 2006, 04:55:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peak_Plus', 'W')hy try to invest in your fellow human or a good carrier or a healthy body or in the TRUTH behind things, if there is NO absolute TRUTH? Nietsche (God is dead) commited suicide because of his disbelief.

Think for yourself, and don't take mankind's deepest question - of God and whether we can know him - on the light shoulder. Peak Oil is a trivial question in comparison. All disorder / idiocy / lies of the world fade quickly when this question is faced.


You can't make something's existence true or false by believing or disbelieving in it. If that were so, we could simply believe that there were a whole new Saudi Arabia worth of energy in the form of ready-made hydrogen sitting under Ohio waiting to be pumped for our consumption.

If there is no evidence for something, there's no reason to believe anything or draw any conclusions about it. The whole discussion of god always reduces to: Everything = Everything.

Did you ever take an algebra test where one of the problems solved to something like 5=5? Simplifying, we get 0=0. What was the correct answer for the test's sake; what did the teacher want to see? Ans: 'No solution' or 'the null set'.

If it were absolutely proven that there were no god, people would go on surviving just as they always have done. Since people seem to be wired to construct some higher unknowable, intangible, non-physical, illusory reality in order to face our sometimes dire conditions, they would simply make up some new belief to use as a crutch despite the proof to the contrary. It's just a useful lie to deal with extreme difficulty.

That's all belief has ever been is a delusory crutch. Otherwise, Science would be all over non-physical reality like white on rice.

As far as our present energy problems are concerned, there could well be a massive die-off on the planet. If this were something that were happening in a laboratory petrie dish, we would rather placidly observe that the population of organism overshot and crashed. It then established a new equilibrium with the available food supply.

So that might happen to us. And if the rest of Earth's ecosystems manage to survive our dying paroxysms as the human race is rudely pruned back, that would be a very good thing.
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Unread postby aldente » Sat 01 Apr 2006, 05:30:02

Absolutely accurate Carlhole. I tried to put some light on that in my most recent thread: http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic18753.html
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