[anneliese-nyc]

Why did the US government ignore the 12 million(up to 20 million maybe) illegals and then grant them ALL a quasi amnesty over the objections of the citizens ? Especially since the government is quite aware of an impending oil crisis in the near future and the strain their out of control spending has done to to our financial stability ?

[Zotan]

Huh?

[The_Virginian]

Not so fast...it's out of committe, but not even close to a senate vote...

Meantime Legal seekers of Green cards are stone-walled and delayed in hopes that they leave....

And this sentament is perfect for building walls that will also KEEP YOU IN....

Watch what wil happen, I guessing the WALL will be built, a GEUST worker program implimented, and LITTLE "amnesty" except for a limited number of Mexican citizens.

[anneliese-nyc]

I am envisioning "work camps" run by the "elite" that entail heavy physical labor in exchange for food and shelter. Hopefully it is just a paranoid vision.

Unfortunately ,I think they will get a quasi amnesty .

[PrairieMule]

I can honestly say that living in Texas gives me a dog in this hunt. For the most part they blend in well with Texas. A majority of them work hard much like the Irish did during the 1800's, but something has got to be done. I can't imagine Texas w/o mexican influence in our culture, problem is we just can't absorb everyone. It's bankrupting Hospitals and Schools along the border towns.

[emersonbiggins]

One of the main arguments that I hear for illegal immigration is that the "Mexicans do the jobs that Americans won't" and, much as I hate to say it, they are partly right. Americans aren't willing to live 10-15 to a single house for wages paid under the table that amount to little more than minimum wage per person (if that). A few months ago, there were at least 8-10 coyotes and/or mules (not the PM kind) that lived across the street from me in one-half of a 2BR duplex - unthinkable by Joe Sixpack's standards. As long as there is an undercurrent in our society that is willing to work and live in this manner, wages will necessarily hit the floor as this becomes the norm in society. The days of the single-family detached home, two-car, dual income family are numbered.

Just a thought.

[PrairieMule]

EB is right. You just have to see it for yourself. They will sleep 8 to a room and live off eggs and toast. Another thing they don't trust banks, they may wear the filthy rags but everyone of them has a pimp sized roll of cash in their paint covered jeans. They got to be carring at least a grand with them at all times. In fact this why I have a problem with they refuse to intergrate into our society, like buying insurance for their vehicles. I guess insurance and safe driving are just not a high priority in Old Mexico. I know of at least 3 people that have had their cars totalled out by a illegal alien with no car insurance added with the fact they drive like teenage boys in real hurry. No money for insurance? That's OK I'll just take the contents of your front pocket and we will call it square.

[holmes]

"I do not agree with the Senate proposal on the change in the immigration policy. In light of 9/11, all residents and employees should be legal immigrants to the United States. The United States should also limit the foreign students within our education systems. The illegal immigrants that are already living in the United States and working are draining the resources and straining communities by receiving benefits the American citizens have paid for. Most illegal residents do not pay federal or state taxes because of their illegal status and because they are citizens of a foreign country. They are allowed to live with numerous members in a household or residence, yet the American citizens cannot do this. They have children on Welfare and Medicaid, which is paid for by the American citizens, their children (many receiving aid) attend our public schools, again paid for by the American citizens. They use our medical facilities, libraries, highways, public transportation, fire and police departments, of which they have contributed nothing -- all are paid for by the American taxpayers. A prime example is the illegal 12-year-old girl from Central or South America who was brought to the United States for a heart transplant and received two heart transplants and died. How did an illegal immigrant get to the top of the list over other Americans waiting for a heart transplant? If the immigrants want to live and work here, they should become citizens and pay for all the privileges, the same as the American taxpayers/citizens."

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and Mule youll be driven out soon enough if not u then your family. the exodus from the illegal swarm areas has been going on for some time now. Ive been paying attention.
Count your blessings and plan accordingly. Closing your eyes and clicking your heels wont bring ya back to kansas. Hehe.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'O')ne of the main arguments that I hear for illegal immigration is that the "Mexicans do the jobs that Americans won't" and, much as I hate to say it, they are partly right.

[lotrfan55345]

I'm glad I can sleep peacefully at night now.
As an (previous) illegal like me... I always had to remain vigilant for IRS agents or whatnot.

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'O')ne of the main arguments that I hear for illegal immigration is that the "Mexicans do the jobs that Americans won't" and, much as I hate to say it, they are partly right.

[mekrob]

It's not that the illegals do work that Americans won't do, Americans do do that work as well. If you look at the stats for employment in any of the 'illegal-prone' fields, you'll see anywhere from a substantial portion to overwhelming majority of the employees are legal citizens/immigrants. Do Americans want to live on so little? No, but the employers are able to pay the illegals less, a lot less, but they still do the same job that the Americans/legals do.

I also hate the saying about illegals bankrupting our system. No, the white man has done that so much better. They make statements like 10 million illegals are uninsured and that the uninsured are bankrupting hospitals, etc. Well, what about the other 30 million Americans alone that are uninsured and bankrupt America at a three times greater rate? They make no mention of that, because it doesn't fit with their views. What about homeless? Illegals at least work, and work alot. The homeless don't do shit but they get all the benefits of the system, even more than illegals (illegals definately don't get police protection) and they are chastized by society. Why? Because their Americans. That's the dumbest fucking excuse ever.

Sorry, just two cliche statments I've always heard about this debate that are flat wrong.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'S')o what happens when those jobs that Americans are prepared to do now disappear?

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'N')o, but the employers are able to pay the illegals less, a lot less, but they still do the same job that the Americans/legals do.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', ' ') And, as always, the MNCs laugh all the way to the bank.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', ' ') And, as always, the MNCs laugh all the way to the bank.

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', ' ')The homeless don't do shit but they get all the benefits of the system, even more than illegals (illegals definately don't get police protection) and they are chastized by society.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', ' ') And, as always, the MNCs laugh all the way to the bank.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')hat was my guess. Really I just wanted to call you "big cajones" ever since you told us the origins of your user name.

[rogerhb]

I see three benefits to the current admin.

1. If you are unpopular import more people who will hopefully vote for you out of gratitude.

2. Means multinationals can outsource without the effort of going abroad.

3. Means you can drive the average wage down, useful for when the middle-class jobs disappear.