My god...$9930 for top-of-the-line Dell PC.
This thread is not meant to advertise this beast, but just to show how insane some consumer electronics are getting these days...
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The $10,000 Dell PC... (credit cards are amazing)
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The $10,000 Dell PC... (credit cards are amazing)
by emersonbiggins » Fri 24 Mar 2006, 16:28:37
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Re: The $10,000 Dell PC... (credit cards are amazing)
by lotrfan55345 » Fri 24 Mar 2006, 17:19:50
I'm sure you can construct something like that for a fraction of the cost if you DIY.
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Re: The $10,000 Dell PC... (credit cards are amazing)
by Free » Fri 24 Mar 2006, 17:50:14
Since one of the rather tricky issues of high end CPU's is overheating it seems odd to me to associate this with flames...
And yes DIY is definitely the way to go to get the best bang for the buck, besides it's much more fun, especially if you have time and creativity.
Personally I am much too lazy to do anything beyond the standard box, but there are truly amazing and great ideas out there, for example the guy who put all the parts into an aquarium filled with vegetable oil for quiet cooling, way cool...
And yes DIY is definitely the way to go to get the best bang for the buck, besides it's much more fun, especially if you have time and creativity.
Personally I am much too lazy to do anything beyond the standard box, but there are truly amazing and great ideas out there, for example the guy who put all the parts into an aquarium filled with vegetable oil for quiet cooling, way cool...
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Re: The $10,000 Dell PC... (credit cards are amazing)
by ECM » Sat 25 Mar 2006, 04:00:54
$10K and you ONLY get a 1 year warranty. What a rip off.
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Re: The $10,000 Dell PC... (credit cards are amazing)
by katkinkate » Sat 25 Mar 2006, 04:31:34
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', '.')..... for example the guy who put all the parts into an aquarium filled with vegetable oil for quiet cooling, way cool...
Would that really work? Wouldn't the oil interfere with the electrical connections? And how effective would oil be as a coolant?
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Re: The $10,000 Dell PC... (credit cards are amazing)
by ChumpusRex2 » Sat 25 Mar 2006, 08:15:22
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Would that really work? Wouldn't the oil interfere with the electrical connections? And how effective would oil be as a coolant?
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Would that really work? Wouldn't the oil interfere with the electrical connections? And how effective would oil be as a coolant?
Oh it does work. Liquids are dozens of times more effective as coolants than air. (Hundreds of times if you don't want to use fans).
The problem is that vegetable oil contains acids and traces of water. There isn't enough water to upset the operation of the equipment - but there is enough to cause electrically induced corrosion within a relatively short period of time.
If you want to use immersion cooling of electrical/electronic equipment you need to use ultra-pure mineral oils or perfluorocarbon liquids. (Such cooling systems were used on Cray supercomputers).
Going back to the $10k dell PC. Well, it's really a status symbol of excess.
Looking at the specs, it's a very high specification piece of equipment, and given the current cost of the parts, actually represents very good value (even though the parts themselves may not).
Trying to DIY a similar machine wouldn't save you that much - maybe 10%. You've got a $1200 CPU, 2 $1200 graphics card, a $2200 monitor, 3 $300 hard drives, a $300 accelerator card, a $300 sound card, $300 of RAM and a $300 mainboard.
Considering that Dell has already found a PSU and cooling system that can deal with that monstrosity, and that you get a warranty (even though the CPU is being run outside of its design ratings). And you get some software thrown in - the Dell isn't that bad of a deal.
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Re: The $10,000 Dell PC... (credit cards are amazing)
by backstop » Sat 25 Mar 2006, 13:53:02
This may seem a somewhat heretical question for an internet message board,
but can anyone point me to any evidence as to how the computor has actually served the well-being of society ?
Has it raised the communications between the poor south & rich north ?
Has it cut deforestation by establishing the paperless office ?
Has it raised the resilience of our society to climatic impacts or intentional attack?
Has it cut the commuter's usage of oil & output of GHGs ?
Has it raised official responsiveness to the several looming catastrophic threats ?
All in all, to what extent is it just another corporate distraction from initiating the changes in conduct & technology that are now imperative ?
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but can anyone point me to any evidence as to how the computor has actually served the well-being of society ?
Has it raised the communications between the poor south & rich north ?
Has it cut deforestation by establishing the paperless office ?
Has it raised the resilience of our society to climatic impacts or intentional attack?
Has it cut the commuter's usage of oil & output of GHGs ?
Has it raised official responsiveness to the several looming catastrophic threats ?
All in all, to what extent is it just another corporate distraction from initiating the changes in conduct & technology that are now imperative ?
regards,
Backstop
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Re: The $10,000 Dell PC... (credit cards are amazing)
by Falconoffury » Sat 25 Mar 2006, 16:07:57
Actually, some people make a living working at home on their computers rather than driving to a job, so it may have decreased some oil usage. Other than that, all it really did was help the economy grow, which is a bad thing.
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Re: The $10,000 Dell PC... (credit cards are amazing)
by EnergySpin » Sun 26 Mar 2006, 04:53:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('backstop', 'T')his may seem a somewhat heretical question for an internet message board,
but can anyone point me to any evidence as to how the computor has actually served the well-being of society ?
Has it raised the communications between the poor south & rich north ?
Has it cut deforestation by establishing the paperless office ?
Has it raised the resilience of our society to climatic impacts or intentional attack?
Has it cut the commuter's usage of oil & output of GHGs ?
Has it raised official responsiveness to the several looming catastrophic threats ?
All in all, to what extent is it just another corporate distraction from initiating the changes in conduct & technology that are now imperative ?
regards,
Backstop
but can anyone point me to any evidence as to how the computor has actually served the well-being of society ?
Has it raised the communications between the poor south & rich north ?
Has it cut deforestation by establishing the paperless office ?
Has it raised the resilience of our society to climatic impacts or intentional attack?
Has it cut the commuter's usage of oil & output of GHGs ?
Has it raised official responsiveness to the several looming catastrophic threats ?
All in all, to what extent is it just another corporate distraction from initiating the changes in conduct & technology that are now imperative ?
regards,
Backstop
As with all things in life, it is way too much to ask for an inanimate object to do all these things you mentioned. With all due respect backstop you are falling into the technofix trap.
But at least as far as climate change is concerned, the PC/IT/Internet did help by:
a) running Ocean/Atmoshpere coupled simulations
b) powering the realclimate.org
c) enabling you to speak about these things
The particular PC that was featured in the first post of this thread is yet another example of wasting Ghz to silly things.
But I can think a couple of applications (e.g. medical imaging, drug design, mat sci) where having 4 graphics cards makes sense. 3D shoot-em-ups is not ony of them though
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Re: The $10,000 Dell PC... (credit cards are amazing)
by Zardoz » Sun 26 Mar 2006, 12:26:17
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('backstop', 'T')his may seem a somewhat heretical question for an internet message board,
but can anyone point me to any evidence as to how the computor has actually served the well-being of society ?
but can anyone point me to any evidence as to how the computor has actually served the well-being of society ?
Every day, another percentage of the sum total of human knowledge becomes instantly available to us. Forget the Library of Alexandria. That was a little local bookstore compared to what we have at our fingertips now.
Can AMD Sempron 2800s make people stop frantically banging each other and mass-producing an oversupply of babies? No, they can't, and that's the root cause of every single one of the titanic problems we're facing, isn't it? You expected computers to end the population explosion?
Yes, the paperless office was a myth. We always knew it was. No, telecommuting is still largely impractical, but we're going to have to make it work, aren't we? We'll have no other choice. We WILL make it work.
Has it raised all our consciousnesses about what is coming? Has it made it more difficult for governments and corporations to get away with murder? Absolutely!
The underground information system of the Internet is just getting started. How old is the concept of blogs? How long has non-corporate instantaneous dissemination of news and information been available? What, you expected a miraculous sea-change in human consciousness and behavior overnight?
Your original post indicates that you expected far more from the computer revolution than you had any right to. "Raised the resilience of our society"??? "Raised official responsiveness"??? Huh? Like you expected it to?
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