[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NiKfUrY69', 'A')TTENTIONS MORONS! The two largest population bases are Hindu and what-ever-the-crap the Communist Chinese are now days!

Neither of which subscribe to the crappin' Bible. Geez.

You will never get a handle on over population until you can get the Chinese and Indian populations to come under some kind of guilt syndrome.

...Got RICE?!

[coyote]

Nik, good lord, man. Take a pill or something.

[Rufoman]

Just on a sidenote isn't the amount of resources consumed as important as the number of people who consume them? I mean if you have ten apples and ten men each have one that's fine, but if you have three men and each wants seven then it can't possibly work.

Without a doubt the West consumes vastly more energy than the East, the average American uses something like the same amount of resources as 6 Chinese, the EU is slightly lower but still of a similar vein.

So if say two-hundred million people use on average six times more resources than those 1 billion other people doesn't it still mean they consume more?

China and India together make a lot of humans, but they consume a lot less energy and other resources than us, I admit with thier economies growing like they are it might not be so long before they catch up but my point is that it's the amount consumed by each person, not the number of people who do the consuming, to a point at least.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rufoman', 'C')hina and India together make a lot of humans, but they consume a lot less energy and other resources than us, I admit with thier economies growing like they are it might not be so long before they catch up but my point is that it's the amount consumed by each person, not the number of people who do the consuming, to a point at least.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')They won't be able to "catch up." There aren't enough resources.

[backstop]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')They won't be able to "catch up." There aren't enough resources.

[Ludi]

Off-topic mini-rant:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NiKfUrY69', 'Y')ell at them when they don't follow their own rules, when they fail to follow Christ's word, when they fail to do the works their supposed to do.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rufoman', 'J')ust on a sidenote isn't the amount of resources consumed as important as the number of people who consume them? I mean if you have ten apples and ten men each have one that's fine, but if you have three men and each wants seven then it can't possibly work.

Without a doubt the West consumes vastly more energy than the East, the average American uses something like the same amount of resources as 6 Chinese, the EU is slightly lower but still of a similar vein.

So if say two-hundred million people use on average six times more resources than those 1 billion other people doesn't it still mean they consume more?

China and India together make a lot of humans, but they consume a lot less energy and other resources than us, I admit with thier economies growing like they are it might not be so long before they catch up but my point is that it's the amount consumed by each person, not the number of people who do the consuming, to a point at least.

[MyOtherID]

The crunch will come from the change from this



to this (actual photo of Chinese city)




in the space of 30 years. Only about 3% of Chinese own cars right now.

ye gods.

[Zardoz]

Cheney did it:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('backstop', '.')..only a symptom of a malign, usurious materialistic ideology, which is effectively the antithesis of human nature. America is the present homeground of that ideology...

[Ludi]

Nah, folks managed to live on the Earth causing relatively little damage for some 100,000 - 1 million years (depending on when you start counting). Those folks aren't "to blame" for anything.

[jimk]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')This is the point of the I = PAT equation I mentioned upthread. (I) represents a measure of human Impact upon the environment. It is the product of (T)echnology, which has to do with the ability to extract and process raw materials (including the manufacture of end products), multiplied by (A)ffluence, basically per capita consumption (including generated waste), multiplied by (P)opulation.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jimk', '
')Your equation looks wrong. If A is per capita consumption, then I=PA would be the correct equation. Technology just enables A.

[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'N')ah, folks managed to live on the Earth causing relatively little damage for some 100,000 - 1 million years (depending on when you start counting). Those folks aren't "to blame" for anything.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jimk', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')This is the point of the I = PAT equation I mentioned upthread. (I) represents a measure of human Impact upon the environment. It is the product of (T)echnology, which has to do with the ability to extract and process raw materials (including the manufacture of end products), multiplied by (A)ffluence, basically per capita consumption (including generated waste), multiplied by (P)opulation.

[jimk]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')if you have an income that supports buying rare and/or expensive items, then you are likely more consumptive overall than someone who doesn't.

...

Try this thread for an extensive discussion of Jevons Paradox regarding increased efficiency and its net effect of increasing consumption.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jimk', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')if you have an income that supports buying rare and/or expensive items, then you are likely more consumptive overall than someone who doesn't.

...

Try this thread for an extensive discussion of Jevons Paradox regarding increased efficiency and its net effect of increasing consumption.

[jimk]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')They may not be "necessary", and yes it would be nice to think that we could somehow break the linkages, but given human culture's record up to the present, I for one am highly skeptical of any such attempts succeeding, at least on any kind of culturewide scale.

[backstop]

Jimk -

I observe that you are proposing that we should transcend the prevailing ideology.

Good for you !


regards,

Backstop

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jimk', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')They may not be "necessary", and yes it would be nice to think that we could somehow break the linkages, but given human culture's record up to the present, I for one am highly skeptical of any such attempts succeeding, at least on any kind of culturewide scale.