[MyOtherID]

Yes, my musings on this problem have also led me to believe that any sudden or even moderately sudden SHTF situation will result in a huge disaster in Africa. The aid will no longer flow, the little infrastructure they have will grind to a halt, food transportation will stop, water pumping will stop ... sigh, it really will kill over 60% of the population, in my estimation.

Our governments? Forget it. I've got enough problems without worrying about how badly our governments are handling Africa.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MyOtherID', 'U')nknown Element, I agree with that list, but add to that:

• The stupendously corrupt leadership in virtually every African country
  
• The black man's inability to embrace the white man's form of government: democracy. Democracy in Africa is always "one man, one vote, once"
  
• The features of black culture that work against them: a belief in crazy witchdoctors' spells, a pervasive belief that huge families lead to wealth, denigration and brutalization of women, constant internecine warfare, a culture of dependence and victimhood (fostered by our misplaced guilt), etc...

[MyOtherID]

I have never absolved the white nations of responsibility. But to continue to blame us for all of Africa's ills is not just simply wrong, but it acts to perpetuate the misery Africans are suffering every day by reinforcing the hopeless victimhood that the West has created. Africans themselves have said this. They know that the future lies in their hands, not ours, and that blaming the white man for what he did or didn't do 100+ years ago will get them absolutely nowhere.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MyOtherID', 'I') have never absolved the white nations of responsibility. But to continue to blame us for all of Africa's ills is not just simply wrong, but it acts to perpetuate the misery Africans are suffering every day by reinforcing the hopeless victimhood that the West has created. Africans themselves have said this. They know that the future lies in their hands, not ours, and that blaming the white man for what he did or didn't do 100+ years ago will get them absolutely nowhere.

[MyOtherID]

Having lived my whole life in Africa, I think that I may be slightly more credible on this issue than you.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MyOtherID', 'H')aving lived my whole life in Africa, I think that I may be slightly more credible on this issue than you.

[DomusAlbion]

"Africa has no future."
-- V.S. Naipal

The time since this Nobel Laureate pronounced these words only confirms them more deeply.

[Magus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '"')Africa has no future."
-- V.S. Naipal

The time since this Nobel Laureate pronounced these words only confirms them more deeply.

[DomusAlbion]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Magus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '"')Africa has no future."
-- V.S. Naipal

The time since this Nobel Laureate pronounced these words only confirms them more deeply.

[MyOtherID]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MyOtherID', 'H')aving lived my whole life in Africa, I think that I may be slightly more credible on this issue than you.

[Magus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Magus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '"')Africa has no future."
-- V.S. Naipal

The time since this Nobel Laureate pronounced these words only confirms them more deeply.

[Magus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MyOtherID', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MyOtherID', 'H')aving lived my whole life in Africa, I think that I may be slightly more credible on this issue than you.

[MyOtherID]

I'm in the US now, but lived many decades in Africa (Namibia, Angola, S Africa, Zimbabwe, Botswana). I was a teacher in schools with all black pupils. I don't want to go into any further details. I knew people who devoted their whole lives to uplifting black peasants and ended up getting killed by the very same peasants they had spent years helping, simply so that a few dollars could be stolen. I know so many stories that would make your hair stand on end. I don't want to raise them here, for fear of being called a racist.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MyOtherID', 'Y')ou don't know what you're talking about. I've devoted years of my life to helping black Africans. I've been assaulted by them, I've had friends killed by them: good people who were trying to help them. You should STFU IMO.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MyOtherID', 'I')'m in the US now, but lived many decades in Africa (Namibia, Angola, S Africa, Zimbabwe, Botswana). I was a teacher in schools with all black pupils. I don't want to go into any further details. I knew people who devoted their whole lives to uplifting black peasants and ended up getting killed by the very same peasants they had spent years helping, simply so that a few dollars could be stolen. I know so many stories that would make your hair stand on end. I don't want to raise them here, for fear of being called a racist.

[MyOtherID]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I') don't think you're racist, I just don't think you're very bright.

[threadbear]

Recently, a trio of missionaries, at least one Canadian were released after being held hostage in Iraq for 4 months. The American hostage was killed. They were only trying to help the people. NO Sh**? I'm sure they were and I have been praying for them and was overjoyed when they were released. However, if I were an Iraqis I would have probably wanted to shoot them all myself.

Imagine, for example, a Jehovah's witness comes knocking on your door to "help" you, after your society has been bombed and torn asunder by American forces. You'd want to do more than shut the door on them, even if they were Canadian. They still represent a form or offshoot of Christ worship that you identify with the dominant predatory American culture.

So this argument that whites are being sorely mistreated in their zeal to help blacks, doesn't hold much water. The history of the bad blood has to be examined carefully, and that takes intellectual and emotional courage, and the ability to get past simple declarations about black Africans, Arabs, etc...

In truth, WE ARE the bad guys, and even those of us who want to personally do good, have to realize this and avoid venturing into hostile territory. It's too bad, but that's how it goes.

[MyOtherID]

"African Tears" indeed ...

Why are whites leaving Africa in droves, resulting in the return of Stone Age conditions in many parts of Africa (e.g. Zimbabwe, once a bread basket exporting food to the rest of Africa -- thanks to the white farmers -- but now a nation of starving people)? Why did I leave Africa?

Rather than sit here and type a long, harrowing story, I'll let someone else tell theirs, which is just like mine:

[web]http://www.brandon.za.org/story.htm[/web]

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MyOtherID', '.')..lived many decades in Africa (Namibia, Angola, S Africa, Zimbabwe, Botswana). I was a teacher in schools with all black pupils...

[Novus]

Feeding Africans is like feeding Grizzly Bears. When they associate you with food you are done for. South Africa is a hell hole and the rest of Africa is even worse.