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Grow Your Own Oil (Wired on bio-oil)

Unread postby Armageddon » Mon 20 Mar 2006, 23:43:59

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Re: Does this mean we are all saved ?

Unread postby PolestaR » Mon 20 Mar 2006, 23:56:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'h')ttp://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70430-0.html?tw=wn_index_1

All this saviour Expletive deleted is making me sick. Where the Expletive deleted is the end of our society? Has there been some new cornucopian surge recently or what is going on?
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Re: Does this mean we are all saved ?

Unread postby dukey » Mon 20 Mar 2006, 23:57:24

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Re: Does this mean we are all saved ?

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 21 Mar 2006, 00:30:38

This by itself won't save us, but a little alt energy here, a little synthetic oil there, some real conservation, and we may be able to hold off the onslaught of the zombie hordes for a few more years.

No one thing will replace the oil and gas industry. It'll take hundreds of new sources to do that. This could be one of them.
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Re: Does this mean we are all saved ?

Unread postby SinisterBlueCat » Tue 21 Mar 2006, 00:44:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'h')ttp://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70430-0.html?tw=wn_index_1


All this saviour shit is making me sick. Where the f|_|ck is the end of our society? Has there been some new cornucopian surge recently or what is going on?


I know this is totaly off topic, but what is with this? If "our" society makes you so sick that you want to see it end in flames, then I say that you are to much a part of it.

As much as I try to reject the comsumer, car dependant, advertising driven lifesytle held dear by so many, wishing death, destruction and dispair on millions of people still seems wrong to me.
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Re: Does this mean we are all saved ?

Unread postby PolestaR » Tue 21 Mar 2006, 01:02:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', 'I') know this is totaly off topic, but what is with this? If "our" society makes you so sick that you want to see it end in flames, then I say that you are to much a part of it.
As much as I try to reject the comsumer, car dependant, advertising driven lifesytle held dear by so many, wishing death, destruction and dispair on millions of people still seems wrong to me.

I didn't mention that I am not a part of it. Of course I am. :) There is nothing wrong with wishing death on billions of people. The quicker you come to this conclusion the more depressed you will be.
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Re: Does this mean we are all saved ?

Unread postby SinisterBlueCat » Tue 21 Mar 2006, 01:03:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'T')here is nothing wrong with wishing death on billions of people. The quicker you come to this conclusion the more depressed you will be.

great. :)
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Re: Does this mean we are all saved ?

Unread postby gego » Tue 21 Mar 2006, 01:10:52

Sounds similar to the failed oil from turkey parts plant in Carthage, MO.

How is anything that captures just one years worth of energy from the sun going to replace what nature took hundreds of years to accumulate? We have been living on our savings, not the income on it. Same deal as the jerk who inherits $1 million and spends $300,000 per year when he is only earning $50,000. The remainder that he spends over the $50,000 comes out of the limited inheritance and it soon runs out.

Unless we come up with one humdinger of an energy source we are in deep problems. There is no "soft" sustainable source of energy that will take care of 6.5 billion hungry resource gobblers. It appears that we humans are the real turkeys in this equation.
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Re: Does this mean we are all saved ?

Unread postby Jack » Tue 21 Mar 2006, 01:20:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'h')ttp://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70430-0.html?tw=wn_index_1
All this saviour shit is making me sick. Where the f|_|ck is the end of our society? Has there been some new cornucopian surge recently or what is going on?

Not to worry - it's a cycle. This particular "solution" started out as thermal depolymerization (which was going to save us, Glory Be!), morphed into Rapid Thermal Processing (which was going to save us, Glory Be!), and is now reincarnated as bio-oil (which will, no doubt, save us, Glory Be!).

One cannot but wonder what Ensyn's plans are regarding venture capital and public investment. No doubt they would eagerly accept all donations investments.

The next cycle will probably have something to do with kilometer (or is it mile?) high chimneys to generate free electricity, followed by Zero Point Energy, followed by tidal power, followed by Abiotic oil.

And we as a society will invest, you know. Billions - nay, trillions - to avoid the upcoming changes. That final doomed effort will be what will, in my opinion, finish us. It is ironic, I suppose, that hope is the most dangerous of the troubles released by Pandora. 8)
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Re: Does this mean we are all saved ?

Unread postby PolestaR » Tue 21 Mar 2006, 03:40:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'N')ot to worry - it's a cycle. This particular "solution" started out as thermal depolymerization (which was going to save us, Glory Be!), morphed into Rapid Thermal Processing (which was going to save us, Glory Be!), and is now reincarnated as bio-oil (which will, no doubt, save us, Glory Be!). --snip-- And we as a society will invest, you know. Billions - nay, trillions - to avoid the upcoming changes. That final doomed effort will be what will, in my opinion, finish us. It is ironic, I suppose, that hope is the most dangerous of the troubles released by Pandora.

Could anyone point out why, if ETHANOL is energy positive we haven't been using ethanol or this bio-oil since the beginning? It doesn't make sense that we would prefer oil since the 70s especially since the USA peaked.

Is it just the most stupid decision ever made (to stick with oil) or are there REAL reasons why it hasn't happened?
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Re: Grow Your Own Oil (Wired on bio-oil)

Unread postby Graeme » Tue 21 Mar 2006, 04:15:06

Biomass energy is merely part of (a significant third according to USDA) an interim solution to peak oil. Longer-term technical solutions (e.g. hydrogen) are still being worked out. The political will of the American people and its politicians are now beginning to change toward renewable energy solutions. But this will require massive investment for many years to come to have any hope of succeeding. Isn't this better than doing nothing and resigning yourself to death and failure. I would prefer to fight for life. This is not cornucopian thinking, rather if done properly, it can be ecologically sustainable.
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Re: Grow Your Own Oil (Wired on bio-oil)

Unread postby Jack » Tue 21 Mar 2006, 09:49:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', ' ')Isn't this better than doing nothing and resigning yourself to death and failure. I would prefer to fight for life. This is not cornucopian thinking, rather if done properly, it can be ecologically sustainable.


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(You gotta have hope, you gotta have hope)

You've gotta have hope
All you really need is hope
When the odds are sayin
You'll never win
That's when the grinning should start

You've gotta have hope
Mustn't sit around and mope
Nothins half as bad as it may appear
Wait'll next year and mope

When your luck is battin zero
Get your chin up off the floor
Mister you can be a hero
You can open any door
There's nothin to it but to do it

You gotta have hope
Miles and miles and miles of hope
Oh it's fine to be a genius of course
But keep that old horse before the cart
First you've gotta have hope

You've gotta have hope
All you really need is hope
(When the odds are sayin you'll never win
That's when the grin should start)

You've gotta have hope
Mustn't sit around and mope
Nothins half as bad as it may appear
Wait'll next year and mope

When your luck is battin zero
Get your chin up off the floor
Mister you can be a hero
You can open any door
There's nothin to it but to do it

You gotta have hope
Miles and miles and miles of hope
Oh it's fine to be a genius of course
But keep that old horse before the cart
First you've gotta have hope
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