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Unread postby Lokutus » Sat 25 Feb 2006, 20:31:23

Whoever writes this blog must be the smartest man in history!

Today he's ripped Jared Diamond research on Easter Island to shreds. Link In earlier posts, he demolishes other alledged authorities in their fields.

This guy must have an IQ of 500 and Nobel Prizes in at least a dozen different scientific fields.

Seriously, does anyone know anything about him? Is he some auto-didactic crank who dropped out of school in the 9th grade?

Who the hell is he?
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby clv101 » Sat 25 Feb 2006, 20:44:49

"Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen." The Emperor (Return of the Jedi)
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby Lokutus » Sat 25 Feb 2006, 20:54:34

At the speed pages load here, it would take about 2 days to read that long thread. I was hoping for a short answer along the lines of:

a) He has doctorate in rocket science from MIT, or
b) He's a crackpot.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby Lokutus » Sat 25 Feb 2006, 21:02:24

:lol:

Okay, he's a crackpot.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 26 Feb 2006, 00:24:22

I saw Beast, Lokutus. So so, alright, I guess. Basically just another war flick.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby Carlhole » Sun 26 Feb 2006, 04:32:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'W')hoever writes this blog must be the smartest man in history!

Today he's ripped Jared Diamond research on Easter Island to shreds. Link In earlier posts, he demolishes other alledged authorities in their fields.

This guy must have an IQ of 500 and Nobel Prizes in at least a dozen different scientific fields.

Seriously, does anyone know anything about him? Is he some auto-didactic crank who dropped out of school in the 9th grade?

Who the hell is he?


He's one of the oldest PO posters - JohnDenver.

He had alot of heated arguments with the extreme doomers on the board like MonteQuest and others and got so mad he steamed off to form his own blog.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby bart » Sun 26 Feb 2006, 07:07:23

It's too bad about John Denver. While he was here, I didn't think he was that far off. Nor do I think the disagreements with MonteQuest, etc. were that substantial. Heated yes.

In the discussions I followed, I agreed with him about 25% and MonteQuest about 40%. Both sides got a wee bit dogmatic.

I was sorry to see JD to go in the direction he has. I read a number of JD's posts on his new blog, and my conclusion was that he really needed an editor.

I think there's a lesson there for all of us tempted to spend our time on online discussions. At a certain point, it may be good to slow down and write more substantial works, with fewer opinions and more research. Also, it's a good idea to have an editor to keep one on track.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby Lokutus » Sun 26 Feb 2006, 13:47:22

When contemplating the possibility of taking someone seriously, I like to have some idea of their qualifications. While JD so readily dismisses everyone he disagrees with, he offers no information about himself. The about page on his blog rests empty. Which leads me to suspect that he's probably a salesman at Best Buy or something similar.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 27 Feb 2006, 02:39:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', ' ')He had alot of heated arguments with the extreme doomers on the board like MonteQuest and others and got so mad he steamed off to form his own blog.


No, he repeatedly violated our COC and decided to leave before he got banned.

And, for the record, I am not an extreme doomer. If one reads my Post peak oil: The Slow Decline or The post-peak die-off; The MonteQuest scenario, I think you will find me amongst the more moderate, level-headed doomers.

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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 27 Feb 2006, 02:43:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'W')ho the hell is he?


A man in extreme denial.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby johnmarkos » Mon 27 Feb 2006, 14:09:50

I think his blog (and the associated Google group) serve a good purpose for those of us who don't exactly feel at home at peakoil.com.

This place has a way of alienating optimists. But what about those optimists among us who still want to talk about resource/sustainability issues?

Contrary to what Bart said, I think the quality of JD's writing has gone up since he distanced himself from the flame wars. POD doesn't strike me as needing editing any more than your average blog.

Keep in mind, also, that POD has several contributors. JD is not the only writer there.

Me? I'm still lurking. Lately, I've contributed more to the POD Google Group. Why? Perhaps because the folks there are more receptive to my wacky techno-fix ideas. Perhaps because the signal to noise ratio there is somewhat higher (ironic). I'd still like to have a dialogue with people on both sides of the issues.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby bart » Mon 27 Feb 2006, 21:15:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnMarkos', 'C')ontrary to what Bart said, I think the quality of JD's writing has gone up since he distanced himself from the flame wars. POD doesn't strike me as needing editing any more than your average blog.

You could be right. I read JD's posts several months ago and perhaps they weren't representative of the whole site. It's certainly true that flame wars do not bring out the best in us.

About whether the average blog need editing... YES!
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 27 Feb 2006, 22:00:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', ' ') But what about those optimists among us who still want to talk about resource/sustainability issues?


Why don't you talk about them?
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 27 Feb 2006, 22:03:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', ' ') But what about those optimists among us who still want to talk about resource/sustainability issues?


Why don't you talk about them?
Yeah, are you afraid someone will call you a goddam cornucopian or something? :P :-D
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby johnmarkos » Mon 27 Feb 2006, 23:38:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')hy don't you talk about them?


OK, but I have a feeling you're not gonna like it.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby RickTaylor » Tue 28 Feb 2006, 01:00:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'W')hoever writes this blog must be the smartest man in history!

Today he's ripped Jared Diamond research on Easter Island to shreds. Link In earlier posts, he demolishes other alledged authorities in their fields.

This guy must have an IQ of 500 and Nobel Prizes in at least a dozen different scientific fields.

Seriously, does anyone know anything about him? Is he some auto-didactic crank who dropped out of school in the 9th grade?

Who the hell is he?


No one addressed this fellow's "demolishing" of Jared Daimon's account of Easter Island, so I thought I would look into it. After all, he might be right even if he's a crackpot (a stopped clock and all).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his fact is demonstrated in an extremely interesting paper called From Genocide to Ecocide: The Rape of Rapa Nui* by Dr. Benny Peiser of the Faculty of Science, John Moores University, Liverpool.


Alright, his claim is based on the work of Dr. Benny Peiser. Hmmm, Dr., that sounds good. On the Faculty of Science at a University. Maybe this is a respectable argument he's making. Let's google Dr. Benny Peiser.

I found this link, and it actually seems pretty plausible. That doesn't chance my views on peak oil and sustainability, but I don't want to use Easter Island as a metaphor if it wasn't really a case of ecocide; that would be dishonest.

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For a more balanced account of Easter Island that presents both sides, see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Island
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Tue 28 Feb 2006, 02:59:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'W')hoever writes this blog must be the smartest man in history!

Who the hell is he?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')S PEAK OIL SCIENTIFIC?
ANSWER: It depends on what you mean by "peak oil". If by "peak oil" you mean the inevitable peak and decline in natural/conventional oil, then yes: it's a settled scientific fact which no one disagrees with. That much cannot be refuted. But I think it's a little disingenuous to claim that "peak oil" means nothing but that. In fact, "peak oil" is a huge mountain of doomsday religion, survivalism, luddism, anti-capitalism, conspiracy theory, democratic politics, radical environmentalism, fascism, nationalism, eugenics, authoritarian depopulation programs, goldbugs, oil speculators, shit-talking market bears and every other agenda under the sun, all trying to advance themselves under the cover of that tiny pinpoint of scientific fact.
He doesn't debunk Peak Oil - he debunks all this other nonsense which he believes is associated with Peak Oil.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby The_Virginian » Wed 01 Mar 2006, 03:47:53

Also take notice despite his Websites name, his best post only DELAYS PO:



[web]http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/2005/08/18-nine-delays-for-peak-oil.html[/web]
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Wed 01 Mar 2006, 04:35:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', 'A')lso take notice despite his Websites name, his best post only DELAYS PO:



[web]http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/2005/08/18-nine-delays-for-peak-oil.html[/web]
Honestly, $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 's')omeone needs to explain that: Why would technological breakthroughs just stop one day? Did the universe run out of secrets? We understand everything now? I find that incredible.
We haven't discovered anything fundamentally new in Physics that would help us with energy shortages for 80 years. Fermenting sewage into ethanol is not a new secret of the universe.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby Omnitir » Wed 01 Mar 2006, 06:18:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')We haven't discovered anything fundamentally new in Physics that would help us with energy shortages for 80 years. Fermenting sewage into ethanol is not a new secret of the universe.

How about structuring carbon at the atomic level?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '
')Whoever writes this blog must be the smartest man in history! … Etc.

Then you only consider augments presented by the smartest, most highly educated and most highly respected scientists in the world? In that case you must be equally dismissive of doomer arguments.
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