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Americans no longer own America

Postby rogerhb » Mon 27 Feb 2006, 19:25:39

Interesting article

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s www.economyincrisis.com notes, US Government statistics indicate the following percentages of foreign ownership of American industry:

· Sound recording industries - 97%
· Commodity contracts dealing and brokerage - 79%
· Motion picture and sound recording industries - 75%
· Metal ore mining - 65%
· Motion picture and video industries - 64%
· Wineries and distilleries - 64%
· Database, directory, and other publishers - 63%
· Book publishers - 63%
· Cement, concrete, lime, and gypsum product - 62%
· Engine, turbine and power transmission equipment - 57%
· Rubber product - 53%
· Nonmetallic mineral product manufacturing - 53%
· Plastics and rubber products manufacturing - 52%
· Plastics product - 51%
· Other insurance related activities - 51%
· Boiler, tank, and shipping container - 50%
· Glass and glass product - 48%
· Coal mining - 48%
· Sugar and confectionery product - 48%
· Nonmetallic mineral mining and quarrying - 47%
· Advertising and related services - 41%
· Pharmaceutical and medicine - 40%
· Clay, refractory, and other nonmetallic mineral products - 40%
· Securities brokerage - 38%
· Other general purpose machinery - 37%
· Audio and video equipment mfg and reproducing magnetic and optical media - 36%
· Support activities for mining - 36%
· Soap, cleaning compound, and toilet preparation - 32%
· Chemical manufacturing - 30%
· Industrial machinery - 30%
· Securities, commodity contracts, and other financial investments and related activities - 30%
· Other food - 29%
· Motor vehicles and parts - 29%
· Machinery manufacturing - 28%
· Other electrical equipment and component - 28%
· Securities and commodity exchanges and other financial investment activities - 27%
· Architectural, engineering, and related services - 26%
· Credit card issuing and other consumer credit - 26%
· Petroleum refineries (including integrated) - 25%
· Navigational, measuring, electromedical, and control instruments - 25%
· Petroleum and coal products manufacturing - 25%
· Transportation equipment manufacturing - 25%
· Commercial and service industry machinery - 25%
· Basic chemical - 24%
· Investment banking and securities dealing - 24%
· Semiconductor and other electronic component - 23%
· Paint, coating, and adhesive - 22%
· Printing and related support activities - 21%
· Chemical product and preparation - 20%
· Iron, steel mills, and steel products - 20%
· Agriculture, construction, and mining machinery - 20%
· Publishing industries - 20%
· Medical equipment and supplies - 20%
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Re: Americans no longer own America

Postby UIUCstudent01 » Mon 27 Feb 2006, 19:37:22

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')· Sound recording industries - 97%
· Commodity contracts dealing and brokerage - 79%
· Motion picture and sound recording industries - 75%
· Metal ore mining - 65%
· Motion picture and video industries - 64%


Is this an excuse as to why mainstream music and movies have been sucking?
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Re: Americans no longer own America

Postby rogerhb » Mon 27 Feb 2006, 19:46:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UIUCstudent01', 'I')s this an excuse as to why mainstream music and movies have been sucking?


No, it's supply and demand, you want crap music, you get it.
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Re: Americans no longer own America

Postby MicroHydro » Mon 27 Feb 2006, 20:05:00

Kiwis don't own New Zealand either:

New Zealand has a grand total of zero private domestic banks. There is a small socialized government operated credit union type operation, Kiwi Bank, which operates out of the post office. All the other banks are foreign owned. (Yes, even the "Bank of New Zealand" and the "National Bank of New Zealand" are foreign owned)

There is talk of doing away with the New Zealand Reserve Bank and turning central banking over to Australia!

New Zealand just set a new current accounts deficit of $7.1 billion for 2005. Per capita, this is nearly as large a deficit as the US. If there are roughly a million households in NZ, the annual trade deficit would be roughly $7000 per household.

The office towers of Wellington and Auckland display the logos of foreign corporations.

If one examines the shares traded on the New Zealand exchange, very few are Kiwi owned. Basically the Auckland Airport and NZ Telecom are the big domestic companies, pathetic.

The only thing that is keeping NZ afloat is selling the country to foreign investors, same as US.
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Re: Americans no longer own America

Postby rogerhb » Mon 27 Feb 2006, 21:58:14

Interestingly house purchases in NZ are done differently to the UK. In the UK the bank owns the house until you complete the mortgage, in NZ you have the title but the banks name is added to the title for the duration of the mortgage.
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Re: Americans no longer own America

Postby jaws » Mon 27 Feb 2006, 22:45:15

Perhaps it is better that way. Americans have not shown a lot of competence at running things lately.
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Re: Americans no longer own America

Postby rogerhb » Mon 27 Feb 2006, 22:50:55

I've wondered what will happen to foreign banks if a collapse and a true nationalistic government takes hold, in our case,\ for instance, if you have a mortgaged title with both your name and a foreign bank's claim to it, the local should win.
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Re: Americans no longer own America

Postby Novus » Tue 28 Feb 2006, 00:08:52

This is the the real result of America's long held negative savings rate. We spend more than we make every year.
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Re: Americans no longer own America

Postby americandream » Tue 28 Feb 2006, 01:34:51

The foreign ownership argument is stupid, narrow and relative irrespective of where it is used......remember............a Maori (or native American or Tibetan) may have a very different slant on the foreign ownership of Aotearoa/US/Greater China.

The problem is cornucopian capitalism (including capitalism posing as socialism) based as it is on exponential growth in a planet with finite core resources and with technology one fraction of a degree above the core technologies that started off the industrial revolution in the dim distant days of the flat earth.
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Re: Americans no longer own America

Postby rogerhb » Tue 28 Feb 2006, 02:50:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')he foreign ownership argument is stupid, narrow and relative irrespective of where it is used


Okay, so the NZ economy is collapsing, banks are grabbing all they can during the collapse, and some banks going under.

Should the NZ government use tax payers money to prop up the foreign banks?

Who is the NZ government responsible to and for?
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Re: Americans no longer own America

Postby linlithgowoil » Tue 28 Feb 2006, 05:38:25

Wrong actually. In the UK you own the house 100%. The owners name is on the title deeds. The bank has a standard security over the property however, for the amount of the outstanding loan against the property.

If you fail to pay the loan they can ultimately seek to enforce their standard security and have ownership of the property conveyed to them, whereupon they can evict you.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'I')nterestingly house purchases in NZ are done differently to the UK. In the UK the bank owns the house until you complete the mortgage, in NZ you have the title but the banks name is added to the title for the duration of the mortgage.
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Re: Americans no longer own America

Postby rogerhb » Tue 28 Feb 2006, 05:51:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('linlithgowoil', 'I')n the UK you own the house 100%. The owners name is on the title deeds. The bank has a standard security over the property however, for the amount of the outstanding loan against the property.


Thanks for clearing that up, never having owned in the UK I was going by what my dad said, perhaps he was just swearing at the bank.
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Re: Americans no longer own America

Postby americandream » Tue 28 Feb 2006, 06:38:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')he foreign ownership argument is stupid, narrow and relative irrespective of where it is used


Okay, so the NZ economy is collapsing, banks are grabbing all they can during the collapse, and some banks going under.

Should the NZ government use tax payers money to prop up the foreign banks?

Who is the NZ government responsible to and for?


The NZ government gave up being responsible to and for anyone the day it lost sight of the plot...................and embarked on the marketisation of human society.........this goes back well before Muldoon's days..........and is the case with all governments who embrace the market, recent and not so recent, irrespective of their professed ideologies.

You can't make a purse out of a sow's ear.....it will not work. If you want the end of resource guzzling...it's simple.....reduce the deification of consumerism and develop a full society that embraces the many faceted opportunities a short life on this planet offers. (not simply the making and buying of widgets)
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Re: Americans no longer own America

Postby untothislast » Tue 28 Feb 2006, 06:56:15

This topic raises some pertinent points about ideas of 'the nation state' and patriotism. In future, would you be as willing to go to war to defend 'your' homeland - if the bulk of it was already owned by foreign interests? Or would you feel you were just being used to protect the business interests of foreign investment groups?

Remember: there are no such things as citizens anymore - only customers.

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Re: Americans no longer own America

Postby UIUCstudent01 » Tue 28 Feb 2006, 13:23:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UIUCstudent01', 'I')s this an excuse as to why mainstream music and movies have been sucking?


No, it's supply and demand, you want crap music, you get it.


Supply and demand doesn't quite work when you have impressionable youth. You can essentially brainwash them to believe anything... See: Hitler, et. al.

It's considered a respectable career to go into now.
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Re: Americans no longer own America

Postby JoeCoal » Tue 28 Feb 2006, 14:21:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('untothislast', 'R')emember: there are no such things as citizens anymore - only customers.


Or perhaps you should say there are only Consumers now.

Google hits for "Citizen" = 150,000,000
Google hits for "Consumer" = 514,000,000

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Re: Americans no longer own America

Postby Kingcoal » Wed 01 Mar 2006, 00:51:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('linlithgowoil', 'W')rong actually. In the UK you own the house 100%. The owners name is on the title deeds. The bank has a standard security over the property however, for the amount of the outstanding loan against the property.

If you fail to pay the loan they can ultimately seek to enforce their standard security and have ownership of the property conveyed to them, whereupon they can evict you.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'I')nterestingly house purchases in NZ are done differently to the UK. In the UK the bank owns the house until you complete the mortgage, in NZ you have the title but the banks name is added to the title for the duration of the mortgage.


In the US, from the time you sign the sales contract, you are the equitable owner and can take out loans using the property as colateral. When you get a loan using your property, the bank retains a security interest or lien agianst the property.
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