[send_oil_please]

Culture Shock is what this is like for those of us aware of this problem at this time. We are trying to deal with this mentally, financially etc, to prepare for the coming collision of Parallel Universes so to speak. And at the same time, all of the people we know and trust and love are Not preparing and worse yet, mildly hostile to our preparations.

We really do look like lunatics to them - the Soldier-of-Fortune types or worse, Y2K-Rejects Looking for The Next Excuse to build a bomb shelter, or they mistake us for "greenies looking for a cause"...

We have one foot in each period, the last century and the present one. The Herd has both feet firmly planted in the last century and really is completely unaware of the coming shift.

The sad fact is the others in our Greater Herd can't possibly understand our point of view yet. It's as though we are asking them to live like the Amish - what on earth for ?!?!?!

Most of their lives and the last 25 years of the lives of their parents have been spent in the Last Centuries Frame of Mind - We OverCome All obsticles including Energy Crises... Civilization does Nothing But Grow, Grow,Grow...

"Forgive them Mother, for they know not what they do..."

Famous last words ... lol

[send_oil_please]

(for what you are about to, or might prefer to avoid, read(ing):
"In other words, some day, Mother Nature will be the Final Judge of this Charade we are currently playing because Someone Could Not Leave Well-Enough Alone. And I will File My Charges with The Mother when that dayze comes - )
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If and When I "go to the light"

I want you to know in my religion/culture there is a Judas-F'ed-Christ law in which Judas-Priests or Priestesses can be charged with sedition of children's minds with extremely dangerous propaganda.

If and When I "go to the light"

There, in my culture/religion's Land Of The_Cryers_of_HOLYSHITthatstormISbearingDownonUSlikeHubberSaiditWould

There be lawz that deal with herds like yours and it's members.
I will request extradition from My Landz of the LightHeaded and Skeered Straights.

[send_oil_please]

Your Law Man is a (genitalia).

Your Courts are for (genitalia).

Your laws are as temporary as this pathetic mess of a civilization is.

You, my former (mate), turned out to be a confused and bewildered and untrustable mate. You Brought your Law, and your lAW won... the battle... but not the war... ohno,motheralwayswinsthewar ... sshshhh don't tell 'em yet - more "GARBAGE" theywill give the LightHEaded and Skeered Straights NOW and which WE can SELL BACK TO THEM as TREASURE later when Mother Changes Seasons when they least expect it... pour, pour little wave riders_who_no_not_what_they_due(owe)... pour them Mother, Pour Them Into YOUR bag-O-bodies...)

You and I have planted Very Good Seeds in this garden. I hope the Seasons are good to and for them.


Gubermints are like (mates) who meddle in things they know nothing about and then wonder why they fall like dominoes in time. Wave Riders who mistake themselves for Wave Makers ( Wave metaphor by davidfischer, not mine).

[90PercentAwake]

I took the time to send an email to a local talk show host who talks about gas prices at least once a month. Because of a certain congressman that is co-sponser of HR 507, I honestly believe I can grab a little of the talk show hosts attention. I will let you know as to how this all goes.

[send_oil_please]

(I'll let youse know how this turns out for this critter 90%awakemostofthetimeanywayz,,, ....,,, I'll let you know how it turns out for the Critter_theu_bound_and_gaged like a dog)

The Wroteinhaste Guidelines of your Lordz Land-O-Lost-Lakes-and-Gardens.... these guidelines I cannot understand 4 they do speaketh to me clearly NOT!! Damnedable cursed Riddles of Vulgar Vaguaries to me.

I will continue to seek guidance from My Masters until told to Shut Up and Lay Down by the Masters or until I their Mutt-4-Now understands his newly Undefined Territory (where to drop My Decarbonated Waste Products Ma ??? WHERE NOW BROWNCOWS ???!!).

The Masters In Whom I Now Place My Trust... and My Children's Future Lives, as long and happy as I may PRAY TO THE MOTHER to be.

Allahdis and Allahdat Mother-O-Mine.



Gubermints are like (mates) who meddle in things they know nothing about and then wonder why they fall like dominoes in time. Wave Riders who mistake themselves for Wave Makers ( Wave metaphor by davidfischer, not mine).

[send_oil_please]

Wish Your Were Here to welcome me to the machine...

Animals!!!! pigs, meeces w/fleas and ticks, sheep, dogs...

and of course then there is daHINTS To the Question asked for the Equation 42. The Hints from dorothy's home statementmakers about the ONE and only MANSAP who Knew... He (who) Knew more than me or You ... and drew THE CURVE that Shook Atlases STupid TVWATCHIN HEAD as well as kicked very hard ATLASES HUMptyDumpster-for-bodily-DEPOSITIONS-od-carbonicwastes. The CURVE THAT even shook ATLass'S HorsesandMen !!!!.... Found Atlas's Achilles Heel and ...,

weellll doggies, ... wellnow what ???...Well NOW We Shall adjorn to the Roomz Builted for the Eating of the Popcorn and the Watching and the Riding OF the Wave (the Best WE can with What little we currently have)...

BECAUSE WE... the self-pitying pious ones who-seek-to-wet-onthines-carpet-to-say--- **"" HEY, SOMTHIN's BURNIN'... HEY-Yeah - You There AquaLunge, put the damned fire out or let me out to pee here, Okay ?!?! Mr. Sapien-says-what???? (Idiots...where was that vent agin...).""**

WE are the cursed ONEZ who are the Luckiest homo saps EVER to live so far.... we may laugh now first and cry from then on, but at least WE SAW WHAT HIT us this time by godz you bet we did...

All before and all to come-2-late will Miss The Latest-Greatest and GeOlogically Speaking Wink-Blink of and EyE Transition

Gottzya popCORN ! gottzay popcorn, here - sit right up and WATCH the Greatest Wave Yet the earth has seen by this latest CHump Chimp critter to THink He MAKES THE FUCKING WAVES and might end up drowning... just like all the other Onez...

The other ones that did NOT have a Highly Developed Cortex withWITCHES played with and was squandered by the funniest species yet.

aaahh... ah, and don't forget that Wave thingy Quote and waveeffects on Familial Relations of Every Third Kind. Seriously, we are critters, you better not pout, you better not cry, you better not pissnmoan Mother Is Telling you Why.

[send_oil_please]

What the HADES is this "tar sands" crap ?!?!

ANOTHER FUNKY BEAN counter in myne eye DOCTOR my eyes have seen enough... thankyouforyourconsideration

please remove all my posts at your liesure (oopps, sp?) or not as you see fit homeplatesweepersthankyouse agin....

deadbonedrysand or no rank WSFE or you Rank and WREak havoc GRADIENT MAKERS where none should be existing.

I fucking mean it.

<OUT>

[FossilFool]

I told my mother and she just says that there's always been doomsayers in every time. I responded that this is a geological problem. I told her that even billionaires are concerned about this. She still refuses to believe it. She says that these paranoid survival types were always around and they aren't really living. But I can't ever really live happily if I'm so insecure about something and wasn't doing anything to prepare for it. She worked so hard in her life and has given me so much. I can't bear to think that she worked all that time and might not get a pension even.

[Revi]

Hard to understand what we are saying for the average person. Better to whisper what's going on to a few people and prepare for what's coming. Who cares if they believe you or not? My own mother doesn't believe me at all either. I tried to tell them to shrink their cars. What did they get when they had the chance to trade in? Another Jeep cherokee. Did they hear me? Yes, I think. Did they believe it? No way.

[MfromAmsterdam]

send_oil_please wrote:

"What the HADES is this "tar sands" crap ?!?!

ANOTHER FUNKY BEAN counter in myne eye DOCTOR my eyes have seen enough... thankyouforyourconsideration

please remove all my posts at your liesure (oopps, sp?) or not as you see fit homeplatesweepersthankyouse agin....

deadbonedrysand or no rank WSFE or you Rank and WREak havoc GRADIENT MAKERS where none should be existing.

I fucking mean it."


So fuck me. Please. I hate to be B-deel. Stop shitting me. I mean, how long have we sheeps got? 1 month? Six weeks?

Aaahh f-it.

The best,

Michel

[GenghisKen]

Recently told the wifes parents about PO and it was a disaster.. they blamed the internet and computers and accused us of having a new god..the computer.(since PO wasent on TV it wasen't real) because the info came from the computer they refused to read a single webpage because it was "Fake" so I got the books Heinberg knustler and Leggit and Savinar" they refuse to even read one of them. I guess 5 grandchildren does that. cause the wifes brother has 5 kids( I am amazed by the mans faith in humanity and scientology) the world is friggin doomed because people see ONLY what they wish to see. selective blindness or fist stuck in a coconut.. the result is the same..

[Schneider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GenghisKen', 'R')ecently told the wifes parents about PO and it was a disaster.. they blamed the internet and computers and accused us of having a new god..the computer.(since PO wasent on TV it wasen't real) because the info came from the computer they refused to read a single webpage because it was "Fake" so I got the books Heinberg knustler and Leggit and Savinar" they refuse to even read one of them. I guess 5 grandchildren does that. cause the wifes brother has 5 kids( I am amazed by the mans faith in humanity and scientology) the world is friggin doomed because people see ONLY what they wish to see. selective blindness or fist stuck in a coconut.. the result is the same..

[crapattack]

I have no idea of where this thread has ended up as I can't seem to make sense of it anymore, however I thought I would update those who have been aware of my little story with my folks and their coming to "peak awareness".

We finally showed them the End of Suburbia movie. It went over amazingly well! They were very chatty and almost happy about it, saying they'd known about this and that was why they never bought a clothes dryer Shocked . Everything was going swimmingly until we said that we are actually changing our plans about life based on this. Instead of finishing my PhD, which I can see no point doing now, the idea is to move from the city, buy land and get things going while we have the time. This was met with much more uncomfortableness. Mom didn't like the idea of me "giving up on life" and couldn't accept that the timelines are so short. She did engage in a bit of "they'll think of something" talk. Dad was much more realistic in that he agreed it was sad but there wouldn't really be any need in the future for PhD's in my speciality - far better to acquire survival skills.

I'm glad they've seen it but it feels a bit anti-climactic now. We still have a lot of thinking to do as a family, but they did say they would be willing to move to the place we thought was best.

[Doly]

Congrats, crapattack, it looks like you're beginning to deal with reality as a family.

The next step will be to realise that reality isn't what you thought it was. You'll see how your ideas of survival, when put into practice, become entirely different things from what you thought originally.

[crapattack]

A letter to a friend today: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')******,

Thanks for your honesty on the phone today. Whatever else might happen, you've spoken your mind to me and appreciate that.

So, you think I have been listening to 'extremists" and have lost all sense of "logic" and "rationality".

National Geo http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm ... raphic.com
Time Magazine http://www.time.com/time/searchresults? ... ER%20HUBER (watch the ad for a 24 hour pass)
from the National Department of Energy http://www.eere.energy.gov/buildings/bu ... /37796.pdf
the Economist http://www.economist.com/displaystory.c ... =E1_RQNNSN (sign up for the free subscription)
CNN profiles Roscoe Barlett http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section ... toryid=994
Richard Rainwater http://www.energybulletin.net/11695.html

Far from being a fringe theory, many "smart people" are coming to this awareness now, and you see PO articles everywhere. It's getting more and more mainstream all the time. Now if you think National Geographic, the Economist and Time Magazine would print a "extremist" articles then I don't know what you would consider conservative. Perhaps the CEO of Simmons & Co., the investment banker for Haliburton and the World Bank who sits on Cheney's energy task force - I'm sure he's an "extremist" too. Also BP, Chevron, Shell and Exxon have made announcements declaring that PO is a likely and while they don't always agree on the timescale are aggressively pursuing various strategies to deal with it, I'm sure these guys are also "extremists". I have an 83 page report from the "extremist" US Army Corps. of Engineers on how to deal with oil peak. Their solution involves encouraging massive investment in renewables and adopting a "powerdown" mentality. The Hirsh Report - a exhaustive study commissioned by the US Government and presented to Congress which founded the Peak Oil Caucus based on this report headed by Republican Congressman Barlett (I'm sure he's another 'extremist' too, after all he's a big money GOP). You're welcome to read it. Perhaps the National Department of Energy is too 'extreme', or the IMF and World Bank who have warned of $100/per barrel this year. Or billionarire Richard Rainwater, close friend of the highly "extreme" US President who declared in his State of the Union was are "addicted to Oil" and must find alternatives. I've heard a few pieces on this issue on CBC, read many many articles in the Financial Times, New York Times, Washington Post, and many other conservative papers and investment sites worldwide. It has been on CNN, all the major networks and even the Daily Show. Far from being on the fringe, it is being talked about and debated all over by all kinds of folks, and more so eveyday. http://www.energybulletin.net/13396.html

As for the money supply, the US economy is debt based and highly leveraged against growth in the housing markets. As a way out of defict spending, the Feds do "print money", as evidence I refer you to the current M3 Money supply reports which suggest this is exactly what has been happening. I'm not an economist, but from Bloomberg - http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pi ... refer=home "Greenspan helped convince lawmakers to pass deficit reduction measures in 1991 and 1993. Today he cautioned government officials not to expect his successors at the Fed to bail them out by printing money if they fail to address deficits this time." I suggest you read the entire article as it is quite enlightening about how the economy is so closely tied to housing market as well.

There are many many articles available to you on all kinds of sites which talk about when and how the feds "print money" if you bothered to make your own search, but here's another on MSN money http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P139884.asp?Printer "Of course, that's mostly because this Fed does not know how to tighten. It only knows how to change the cost of money. If the Fed sets the cost of money too low (albeit higher than before), it needs to print money in order to keep the interest rate it picked suppressed at the level it picked, which is sort of what is occurring."

Here's a smattering of links http://www.safehaven.com/showarticle.cfm?id=4273; and http://www.federalreserve.gov/boardDocs ... fault.htm; "Thus, as I have stressed already, prevention of deflation remains preferable to having to cure it. If we do fall into deflation, however, we can take comfort that the logic of the printing press example must assert itself, and sufficient injections of money will ultimately always reverse a deflation".- Remarks by Governor Ben S. Bernanke (this is the guy taking over the fed reserve from Greenspan); and http://www.timingcube.com/012006/ "By increasing the money supply, i.e. printing money, a Government devalues its currency, thus lowering the effective debt. If they are right, incoming Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke will have no choice but to turn the money supply spigots wide open."



Source: Federal Reserve Board, January 19, 2006

Whatever, obviously you don't want to hear any of this, and if you've made up your mind that I'm a kook then I doubt anything I have say will make a dent in that thick skull of yours, and I could send you links till the cows come home and it won't make one bit of difference.

For the record, I don't think your choices about how you've decided to live are "wrong" - it was right for you. You have tried to have what you think is a "normal life" and you wanted that. I've never judged you for it as it makes you happy. You believe what you have chosen is a "normal life" for all kinds of reasons. I don't aspire to it, but I know many folks do and I respect your choice - do you respect mine? My desire in telling you both about PO was so you could have the information to make choices to protect yourself and your daughter, and you're repaying me by shooting the messenger - thanks a whole hell of a lot. And, for the record, I've considered many differing points of view, and not all of them involve leaving the city http://www.energybulletin.net/3757.html and http://www.communitysolution.org/. R***** and I are currently considering many options not all of which involve bugging out to become farmers.

More importantly though, I don't appreciate your patronizing and condecending tone - trying to kindergarden me through an explanation of credit when I've been reading about the monetary supply for months is an example of your lack of respect for my intellect. You really demonstrated your low opinion here. As a friend I expect you to respect my opinions, even if you don't agree with them, as I have done with you many times.

In fact, I have thought about this deeply and for more than "one minute", have you? In fact I would guess that over the last 6 months I have spent hundreds of hours of reading and research into this subject with a healthy dose of skeptism I might add, and I might have come to the wrong conclusion (I doubt it), but uninformed I am definitely not. In fact, I've invested a damn sight more time than whatever you took, which I can bet was long enough to have a knee jerk reaction and make up your mind based on your desire to not have it be true. Understandable given you have a new baby and a big morgage, but you're not fooling me, even if you're fooling yourself. Your opinion is not based on anything more wishful thinking and a completely untenable techno rescue fantasy that you believe will happen because humans are so "creative". If you bothered to concern yourself with some details and facts you'd discover PO is a geological certainty, not a theory, and the solutions are not going to be quite so simple as you'd like. Hydrogen cars aren't going to happen and tar sands will only ever produce 5 million bpd by 2030 in a world that consumes 85 million bpd now and 120 million bpd by 2010 even though they'll make some investors money in the short run. Tar sands also has a negative EROEI (do you even know what that is - from all the vast research you did before you formed your highly informed opinion?). There's probably some other things you've convinced yourself will happen to mitigate this, but unless you have some big idea I haven't heard before (and I've heard most if not all), it just ain't gonna happen the way you want it to. I would have been happy to debate this with you but I don't think you're really interested in informing yourself, and until you do it's unlikely you can convince me I'm wrong. Big changes are coming and you'd prefer cling to your dream of a perfect life and to close the drapes. That's fine with me, at least you know in the broad strokes and if you want to hide behind a facade of normality that's your choice, but apparently my decision to believe it isn't fine with you.

Now that the cards are really on the table, I have no idea why you'd be disappointed in me, perhaps you don't know me as well as you think you do. Or you've concocted some pseudo-psychological bullshit theory about me leaving (former work), spending too much time at home and going batty (LOL), in which case R***** has too and half my friends who don't work from home. Maybe we're all batty then, and what's wrong with that? It can't be worse than believing everything's fine tralala. At least I'm trying to prepare and using less energy too. Then again from my POV our relationship has mostly been about listening to you rant and me offering plucky advice about your tiny problems on the way to the perfect life you're striving so hard for. I would be disappointed in you for holding this opinion of me if you knew me well, but even after all these years, you don't - so I think I can live with your "disappointment". Most of the people who truely know me would find it laughable to characterize me as someone who adpoted such an idea without throughly investigating it first, I'm a bit of a geek that way. I can tell you about car door thicknessness, and G******'s skull thickness! And regardless of all this, I do have a life and am not obsessing over this issue (that was a few months ago).

Don't contact me for a while. I can't recall being more pissed at you. I've always believed in basic respect and you've spoken your true feelings. I'm shocked and hurt your vitriol, and you've demonstrated you have little respect for me and that means more to me than the issue. I'd hate to let something as dumb as a disagreement over PO to end our friendship. On that score, time will tell over next few years whether right or wrong, and I'd be delighted to be wrong. I do need some time to re-evaluate what I am gettting out of our friendship and what it means to me.

[RacerJace]

Wow, that's one heavy reply letter there crapattack. I've often had similar thoughts brewing in the back of my mind when skirting around the edges of the subject of PO with friends deep in denial. But I've usually bitten my tounge and just given them enough info to provoke curiosity and then encourage them to google it for themselves.

But I can understand your utter frustration and anger when a friend diss's you and belittles your learned opinions and knowledge. Putting it in writing is a showing that you do really care about this friend since it will most likely go a bit deeper and offer the opportunity for them to review it again and again (unless this friend is truely a fool and just deletes your letter and proceeds to delete your friendship).

I gave one of my close friends a copy of The End of Suburbia a couple of months ago. He was already relativley open minded about PO but was not congnsant of the implications on his family in the not too distant future. The next time I saw him he said he watched the movie and was blown away by it. But it made him feel like running out into the street and jumping infront of the next truck or bus. That made me feel guilty since I don't like bringing a downer on people. Although I ended up hoping that it has done some good and that he starts to change the way he thinks about the future and how he can prepare.

Oh.. and congratualtions on getting some concurrence from your parents. My parents seem to be convinced likewise but they are not making one iota of a change in the way they live thier lives. They are too set in thier ways and do not know or accept any different. At the very least my father has reconsidered his investment portfolio and put more into energy stocks.

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[Doly]

Crapattack, my suggestion for when you write a letter like this: don't send the first draft. Don't send the second draft. By the third draft, seriously ask yourself if you're still angry. If you are, don't send the third draft and keep working on it. These things work much better if they're told with a cool head, and you obviously hadn't achieved that when you wrote the letter. Particularly, that paragraph starting with "don't contact me" is unlikely to achieve anything positive.

[crapattack]

Thanks RacerJace and Doly I appreciate your thoughts. Don't worry Doly, I was pissed when I wrote the letter but I've been thinking a long time about this friendship and realized that it is mostly over anyway. This person really went off on me and I figured we'll f**k it. We don't really have much in common and if it's over anyway I wanted to make sure that I downloaded some of my thoughts as well. I hear what your saying though, if I was really interested in keeping it going I might have censored myself a bit more.

[Revi]

I don't know if it really helps trying to convince people of the whole ball of wax. It may be better to start them on a bit of it, by talking about saving energy, and then get into the whole peak oil thing. I had a group of kids that I was working with doing recycling. I told them about peak oil and it may have turned them off to doing anything. Telling people that the ship is going to sink turns them off to working to keep it afloat.

Human nature is a funny thing. It's hard to get people to save themselves. I'm just working on getting a small community of people together doing things like maple syruping and gardening that may help us out post peak and are fun to do anyway. People may not need to know exactly why they are doing things, or how slim the odds are against them. Teenagers are a resilient bunch. We are working on a solar car at my school now. They don't need to know all about peak oil to get into it. They just need to have a can do attitude. We'll make it through this!

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crapattack', 'I')'m bummed. I should have expected it. I didn't.