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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby rogerhb » Fri 24 Feb 2006, 05:54:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ChicknLittle', 'O')n the downside this is Bush being attacked from the "right" with a tone that might only lead to more nationalism and isolationism : (


Please tell me how the US adopting isolationism would be bad for the world?
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby shakespear1 » Fri 24 Feb 2006, 06:33:42

UAE , the place where business is everything

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From the CIA web site (scroll to the bottom – it’s the last entry):

The UAE is a drug transshipment point for traffickers given its proximity to Southwest Asian drug producing countries; the UAE's position as a major financial center makes it vulnerable to money laundering...

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ae.ht...


(thanks to AllHatNoCattle for pointing out this gem.)

And as Sen. Menendez' pointed out on Keith Olbermann, the UAE supported the Taliban and have been implicated as a major financial source for the 9/11 attackers as well as a transshipment point for nuclear armaments (and be sure to watch this video):

VIDEO - KO on the UAE Ports with Bob Menendez

Less than 5% of shipping containers (Sen. Menendez accidentally said it backwards) are inspected by the US inspectors (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/... )

So what's to prevent corruption/infiltration and transshipment of both drugs and biological/chemical/nuclear terrorism weapons when this foreign government with the questionable record is in control?

And do you trust Bush and Cheney to actually oppose any of this? Or is it more likely that they would actually want to BENEFIT from exactly this kind of vulnerability?


Arab role in running U.S. ports under fire
Lawmakers question security guarantees
By Will Lester
Associated Press
Published February 20, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Lawmakers from both political parties, including the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, on Sunday questioned an Arab company's takeover of operations at six major American ports as a possible risk to national security.

"I'm aware of the conditions . . . but it doesn't go to who they hire, or how they hire people," said Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.).

"They are better than nothing, but to me they don't address . . . how are they going to guard against things like infiltration by Al Qaeda or someone else?" King said.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff on Sunday defended the security review of Dubai Ports World of the United Arab Emirates, the company given permission to take over the port operations.

(snip)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0602... ')

How it all so nicely fits in with the word "PORTS". Hint: Transport of goods. All kinds of goods. !!! :roll: :roll:
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby IslandCrow » Fri 24 Feb 2006, 06:50:39

Possible solution:-

Start a boycott on ALL produce from UAE and other Islamic countries. This includes oil. This will deprive them of all those dollars and then they will have to sell the ports back at a loss. :razz:

If the UAE is as bad as people are writing then stop all commerce with them, and any company that does business with them. Get busy and phone your local gas station explaining why you will no longer buy gas from them...phone or fax the national offices of businesses.....
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby shakespear1 » Fri 24 Feb 2006, 07:01:53

I have already started. I do not have a BMW but a little SCODA which burns much much less. Insulated the house to the max so as to burn less gas and try to be less of a consumer ot trashy technology which changes nothing in my life accept the level of my spending. I support farmers produced goods sold at open markets and boycott HUGE supermarkets.

That my humble contribution to dealing with these people. As to calling. Sorry I think it is a waist of money. It is better to ACT!!!
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby ChicknLittle » Fri 24 Feb 2006, 11:39:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'P')lease tell me how the US adopting isolationism would be bad for the world?
The world is too small to pull away from interaction. That said, our interests are better served by engagement and cooperation. Diplomacy and international actions do not have to be arrogant, unilateral and counterproductive... With a nationalistic/isolationist approach we will only interact with the world in war.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby aahala » Fri 24 Feb 2006, 12:19:16

The Bush Adminstration appears to be in a constant state of siege
from now to the end of their term. It will be one crisis after another
and nothing else but responding to these will occupy their time.

The same thing happened to the Johnson, Carter and Nixon administrations
but the crisis management only period was closer to the end of their
time. We have two and a half years of Bush left; it will be awful for
them and awful for the country.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby MountainHiker » Fri 24 Feb 2006, 12:47:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aahala', 'T')he Bush Adminstration appears to be in a constant state of siege
from now to the end of their term. It will be one crisis after another
and nothing else but responding to these will occupy their time...We have two and a half years of Bush left; it will be awful for
them and awful for the country.


Excellent point. You have to wonder what crises lie ahead, either inadvertent of manufactured. The fun part will be watching all of these holier-than-thou far right nut jobs eating their own during this period. We can only hope there’s not too much collateral damage to the country and citizens of this country or the world (yeah right).

The irony is, Bush, Inc. has been so secretive, paranoid and self righteous from the get go that they’ve created the crisis environment they must now live in. Sometimes, just sometimes, there is justice in this world.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby J-Rod » Fri 24 Feb 2006, 19:18:37

Here's a nice little tidbit.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON, Feb. 24 (UPI) -- A United Arab Emirates government-owned company is poised to take over port terminal operations in 21 American ports, far more than the six widely reported.


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And it doesn't seem many people are talking about the whole Carlyle connection... This might just be another rabbit hole.

Here's some more stuff people might find interesting.

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This guy is an Indian that lived in the UAE for 20 years, and was a chief officer in the banking there. He was personal witness to the massive money laundering that went on there, everything from arms dealing, heroin smuggling (Afghanistan only has one flight leaving the country, and it goes to Dubai....) and human trade. He has tried to come out public, contacted all major news agencies, as well as turned over many documents to the FBI, but no one wants to touch it. The book is downloadable, I might give a read.

Randi Rhodes show archive here

The interview is in the first half, let it load and click near the last 3/4 of the clip, you'll hear his distinctive Indian voice. :)

If you don't like to read, or like me sometimes do so much of it that it's nice to take a break, there's this: Carlyle Video
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby threadbear » Fri 24 Feb 2006, 20:09:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ChicknLittle', 'I') am suprised by the unity shown by republicans and some conservative news shows in attacking the port sale... eg. Lou Dobbs was persistant in pointing out how this sale is "just another example" of putting commercial interests ahead of security... Could this be the issue where congress begins to stand up the the administration's power grab? I think globalization is one issue where bush is vulnerable (especially if he defends it with so little tact) as anti-globalization and nationalism might appeal to the same crowd.... If this is the wedge issue needed to get the investigations rolling, great. On the downside this is Bush being attacked from the "right" with a tone that might only lead to more nationalism and isolationism : (


I think it goes nowhere. The illegal wiretapping was likely done to stifle all on going criticism of a totalitarian executive branch, through blackmail. God knows what they have on tape. Corporate bribery, alone, may no longer work and when those carrots fail, out come the sticks. Watch this issue slowly peter out, mainstream media wise.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby LadyRuby » Fri 24 Feb 2006, 20:58:49

Because this move seems so illogical, there must be more to the picture. Oil.

In another message thread I offerd my theory that Bush's push for this Dubai port deal relates directly to Dubai opening it's own oil bourse later this year (the Dubai Mercantile Exchange) where they'll sell sour arab crude and possibly gold in the future.

Dubai Mercantile Exchange

They're still in the process of making decisions on who will get to have trading/financial hubs there. And I wonder if they're also still in the position to switch from trading in dollars to euros if they're really pissed off at the U.S.

Regardless of whether they'd consider trading in Euros I suspect there are deep pockets that don't want to piss off Dubai.

The U.S. is also in the middle of negotiating a free trade agreement with the UAE.

Bush's line of thinkig: security is fine, as long as it doesn't get in the way of money.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby Zentric » Fri 24 Feb 2006, 21:22:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', 'B')ecause this move seems so illogical, there must be more to the picture. Oil.

In another message thread I offerd my theory that Bush's push for this Dubai port deal relates directly to Dubai opening it's own oil bourse later this year (the Dubai Mercantile Exchange) where they'll sell sour arab crude and possibly gold in the future.

Dubai Mercantile Exchange

They're still in the process of making decisions on who will get to have trading/financial hubs there. And I wonder if they're also still in the position to switch from trading in dollars to euros if they're really pissed off at the U.S.

Regardless of whether they'd consider trading in Euros I suspect there are deep pockets that don't want to piss off Dubai.

The U.S. is also in the middle of negotiating a free trade agreement with the UAE.

Bush's line of thinkig: security is fine, as long as it doesn't get in the way of money.


Golly, Ruby, I just can't see why you still believe those who think 9/11 was an inside job wear tinfoil hats. :wink:
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby LadyRuby » Fri 24 Feb 2006, 21:59:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', 'G')olly, Ruby, I just can't see why you still believe those who think 9/11 was an inside job wear tinfoil hats. :wink:


Ahh... you know me! :roll:

All I've seen on the 9/11 stuff is junk that looks insanely conspiracy minded, and as soon as I get a glimpse of that I turn off. But okay, if you have a one paragraph or so explanation as to why BushCo or his gang was behind 9/11, I will promise to read it with an open mind.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby Zentric » Sat 25 Feb 2006, 01:19:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', 'G')olly, Ruby, I just can't see why you still believe those who think 9/11 was an inside job wear tinfoil hats. :wink:


Ahh... you know me! :roll:

All I've seen on the 9/11 stuff is junk that looks insanely conspiracy minded, and as soon as I get a glimpse of that I turn off. But okay, if you have a one paragraph or so explanation as to why BushCo or his gang was behind 9/11, I will promise to read it with an open mind.


Okay, I'm thinking this might be easy. You yourself believe that Bushco is power and money hungry, secretive, and, from your above statements, is willing to do great harm to the country in order to pursue its own devious objectives.

On 9/11, east coast air defenses happened to be conducting a once-in-a-blue-moon training exercise, which prevented a timely intercept of any of the four planes hijacked.

The company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center had then or a little earlier employed Marvin Bush, the president's brother as a principal partner. On September 8/9, the complex's security cameras and card readers were shut down due to an unprecedented powerdown to allow a "computer cabling upgrade."

On 9/11, three steel framed towers imploded at near-freefall speeds - something I believe physicists and structural and civil engineers will tell you just cannot happen unless explosives and/or instantaneous intense heat is brought to bear, and nearly simultaneously, on the buildings' structural supports.

Okay, so maybe you can tell yourself that since the main World Trade Towers had some unique architectural features, then perhaps a shared quirk in design led to their collapses - i.e., shit happens!

But then try to explain what happened to World Trade Center Tower 7, a truly conventional steel-framed building, some forty-odd stories high, which wasn't hit by a plane but which collapsed in near freefall on its own footprint, also on 9/11, and which nobody in the MSM talks about and for which no official explanation has been given.

Check out the video of this, and listen to what Dan Rather extemporaneously has to say about it:

http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence ... _7_cbs.mpg

9/11 as an inside job is no more tinfoilhat than other things that you, yourself talk about and believe (and rightly so, mind you).

But this is the "controlled implosion of the US by way of the UAE thread", so I'm threadjacking.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 25 Feb 2006, 02:55:32

Hear hear, Zentric. This is kind of interesting too.

This is a dream setup for any arms or dope dealer, and that's exactly what the United Arab Emirates is all about.The ties between its top officials and royal family with the Taliban and Al Qaeda go back at least a decade.

The UAE is not only the center of financial dealings in the Persian Gulf, it is switching central for dope and arms dealing. The dope comes out of Afghanistan into the UAE where tax monies are collected and used to buy arms, which were sent back in for the Taliban. Some of this money is thought to have helped finance the 9-11 attacks. A money trail is set forth in the government's filings in the Moussaoui case.

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby J-Rod » Sat 25 Feb 2006, 11:05:17

You might also want to do a google for "Loose Change" or it can also be easily found on a torrent. Good stuff.

Did anyone listen to the Randi Rhodes interview I posted earlier? This guy is truly a smoking gun if he is for real, and he sure sounded legit.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby SinisterBlueCat » Sat 25 Feb 2006, 11:54:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Homeland Security Department objected at first to a United Arab Emirates company's taking over significant operations at six U.S. ports. It was the lone protest among members of the government committee that eventually approved the deal without dissent.

The department's early objections were settled later in the government's review of the $6.8 billion deal after Dubai-owned DP World agreed to a series of security restrictions.


...snip...

Stewart Baker, a senior Homeland Security official, said he was the sole representative on the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States who objected to the ports deal. Baker said he later changed his vote after DP World agreed to the security conditions. Other officials confirmed Baker's account.

"We were not prepared to sign off on the deal without the successful negotiation of the assurances," Baker told the AP.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060225/ap_ ... s_security

A successful negotiation of the assurances? How fishy smelling is that?
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Finally, a deeper look into the UAE port deal

Unread postby mattduke » Sat 25 Feb 2006, 18:30:11

"Long at the center of this operation is the mysterious Russian arms dealer, Victor Bout.... His planes are registered to various companies all operating out of the United Arab Emirates."

"In fact, the United Arab Emirates have been viewed as hub for trade going and coming to Afghanistan, with drugs coming from Afghanistan on their way to the West, and weapons from Bout, going back. While transportation was via Bout's different air cargo interests, it also involved the Afghan state airlines, called Ariana Airlines. The airline was controlled by Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda agents masquerading as Ariana employees flew out of Afghanistan, through Sharjah, one of the emirates, and on to points west."

In a January 31, 2005, letter to Feingold, Wolfowitz acknowledged that "both the U.S. Army and the Coalition Provisional Authority (in Iraq) did conduct business with companies that, in turn, subcontracted work to second tier suppliers who leased aircraft owned by companies associated with Mr. Bout.... Although we are aware of a few companies that are connected to Mr. Bout, most notably Air Bas and Jetline, we suspect Mr. Bout has other companies or enterprises unknown to the Government."

"So there we have it, and a familiar narrative it is, too."

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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby Zentric » Sat 25 Feb 2006, 19:17:13

With the complete absence of any analysis, I will say that Bushco is motivated to "merge" with the Middle East because we need their oil and we need for China not to have it. While, at the same time, the UAE, etc., knows they ain't gonna get rid of us easy, and need protection from China. The New World Order is bound to make America and the larger Middle East just another Palestine, hooked on smack. Even so, there will still be good neighborhoods here and there. :)

This reminds me of that Nirvana song that goes ... "I have my own pet virus ... her shit is my milk. My milk is her shit." I think that Kurt Cobain was very depressed then.

I think that world affairs are very depressing now.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sun 26 Feb 2006, 03:42:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shakespear1', 'W')hen you start to let people like these take over ports the next step may be rewritting the constitution to allow slavery.

Double standards !!! Money is good even if the hands are dirty. :-)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'Slavery of baby boys in the United Arab Emirates
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The UAE, Saudi & Kuwati regimes would have been kicked out decades ago if they were not US/Brit protectorates.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby Carlhole » Sun 26 Feb 2006, 06:15:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('J-Rod', 'H')ere's a nice little tidbit.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON, Feb. 24 (UPI) -- A United Arab Emirates government-owned company is poised to take over port terminal operations in 21 American ports, far more than the six widely reported.


link

And it doesn't seem many people are talking about the whole Carlyle connection... This might just be another rabbit hole.

Here's some more stuff people might find interesting.

link

This guy is an Indian that lived in the UAE for 20 years, and was a chief officer in the banking there. He was personal witness to the massive money laundering that went on there, everything from arms dealing, heroin smuggling (Afghanistan only has one flight leaving the country, and it goes to Dubai....) and human trade. He has tried to come out public, contacted all major news agencies, as well as turned over many documents to the FBI, but no one wants to touch it. The book is downloadable, I might give a read.

Randi Rhodes show archive here

The interview is in the first half, let it load and click near the last 3/4 of the clip, you'll hear his distinctive Indian voice. :)

If you don't like to read, or like me sometimes do so much of it that it's nice to take a break, there's this: Carlyle Video


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