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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby KrellEnergySource » Fri 17 Feb 2006, 14:05:31

This and the proposed leasing of the Indiana Toll Road to the Spanish-Australian consortium for 75 years sound an awful lot like we're collectively selling our kidneys to pay our rent.

We need a doomerosity scale just for the USA's future.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby SinisterBlueCat » Fri 17 Feb 2006, 14:14:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KrellEnergySource', '.').. sound an awful lot like we're collectively selling our kidneys to pay our rent.



I do not think a more apt analogy could be applied.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby topcat » Fri 17 Feb 2006, 15:13:19

Well, I guess the next move will be to outsource the Army to Russians, then let the Chinese run our Navy, North Korea could supply the Marines, but who should we outsorce the Air Force to?
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby seldom_seen » Fri 17 Feb 2006, 15:21:33

I'm just hoping we overturn that stupid law where presidents need to be born in the US. Then we can finally get a president from Saudi Arabia.

Does anyone know where to order a nice prayer mat online?
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby oilfreeandhappy » Fri 17 Feb 2006, 16:40:36

Why does this resurrect images in my mind of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Taliban leaders and Saddam Hussein?
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Dubai Ports World and US Seaprts

Unread postby PlannerBee » Sun 19 Feb 2006, 18:01:09

Somesone want to explain to me why we are not in an uproar over DPWs partial takeover of operations of six US seaports including New York, New Orleans and Philadephia?

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Re: Dubai Ports World and US Seaprts

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 19 Feb 2006, 18:43:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PlannerBee', 'S')omesone want to explain to me why we are not in an uproar over DPWs partial takeover of operations of six US seaports including New York, New Orleans and Philadephia?


If you believe in capitalism, free-trade and globalisation, surely you should be rejoicing in the ability to still sell things despite not actually making anything anymore. Since you have sold everything that wasn't nailed down, being able to sell the things that are nailed down should be considered an enourmous achievement.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby SinisterBlueCat » Sun 19 Feb 2006, 19:28:10

Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff was defending the decision to sell off these ports ot the UAE today, saying...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'â')€œWe have a very disciplined process, it’s a classified process, for reviewing any acquisition by a foreign company of assets that we consider relevant to national security,


this is the same guy who said of their Katrina response last week

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')It is completely correct to say that our logistics capability in Katrina was woefully inadequate. I was astonished to see we didn't have the capability most 21st century corporations have to track the flow of goods and services," Chertoff said, promising remedies by the start of the 2006 hurricane season in June.


Why are we supposed to believe this guy?
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby seahorse2 » Mon 20 Feb 2006, 12:47:12

We've been constantly told in the media that its not a question of "if" but "when" the US experiences another terror attack. We have also been told, repeatedly, that port security, especially cargo containers, are the biggest hole in US security. Now, the US approves the sale of cargo container unloading to UAE - a country that recognized the Taliban, had individuals linked to 911, and other security problems. It seems that the US is selffullfilling its own notion that it will experience another terrorist attack with a cargo container being involved.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby Eli » Mon 20 Feb 2006, 13:22:43

Well I wonder what kind of backroom deal was done to get this through?

Citizens within the UAE were shown to be funneling cash to Al Queda before 911 then the UAE froze many people's assets to cut off the money. The US stationed troops there prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq when the Saudi's would not play along.

It sounds like the UAE is cashing in on their cooperation with the US. Obviously this probably is tied to some kind of oil deal as well, it would be interesting to know what the real truth is behind all of this.

Regardless, allowing a Muslim nation to run our ports is madness even if the country it’s self has no ill intentions. A couple of sympathetic employees to the cause of Al Queda and we would have a real mess on our hands.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby gnm » Mon 20 Feb 2006, 13:41:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('topcat', 'W')ell, I guess the next move will be to outsource the Army to Russians, then let the Chinese run our Navy, North Korea could supply the Marines, but who should we outsorce the Air Force to?


Easy. Germany. Their pilots have been training in New Mexico for years.

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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby Ingenuity_Gap » Mon 20 Feb 2006, 15:53:36

Cargo containers handled by UAE in US ports? WTF is going on? Are we all going crazy?

I see less than 2 years to a nuclear attack in New York, Philadelphia or Boston.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby J-Rod » Mon 20 Feb 2006, 16:26:56

Crazy? It's all going according to plan. :) Funny that the details are all classified, since the ports are supposed to be a national security risk, and it's that same classification that is hiding the nature of why this deal even went through.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby oilfreeandhappy » Mon 20 Feb 2006, 18:57:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'W')e've been constantly told in the media that its not a question of "if" but "when" the US experiences another terror attack. We have also been told, repeatedly, that port security, especially cargo containers, are the biggest hole in US security. Now, the US approves the sale of cargo container unloading to UAE - a country that recognized the Taliban, had individuals linked to 911, and other security problems. It seems that the US is selffullfilling its own notion that it will experience another terrorist attack with a cargo container being involved.


Maybe this is the case. I'm one of many Americans who believe that the US Government knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance, and did nothing to prevent them. Part of a big-picture plot to amass troops into the Middle East.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby PlannerBee » Tue 21 Feb 2006, 18:13:20

Ok, folks. There is some big pay off for Bush ro risk all this scrutiny nevermind how secret he kept it all. If it is so okay then why the secrecy? Where is John Kerry? Where are the Kennedy's.? Awful quiet. Maybe they have been clued in on the fact that this is our only way of keeping oil flowing while Iran gets bombed in March. Something big is up.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby J-Rod » Tue 21 Feb 2006, 20:21:07

Bush Vows to Veto Any Effort to Block Port Contract

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON -- In the face of growing Republican opposition, President Bush today threatened to veto any congressional effort to block a deal that will allow an Arab company to take over the management of six major U.S. seaports, saying that any attempt to scuttle the arrangement would send "a terrible signal to friends around the world."



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')They ought to listen to what I have to say about this," Bush said. "They'll look at the facts and understand the consequences of what they're going to do. But if they pass a law, I'll deal with it with a veto."

In more than five years, Bush has yet to veto any legislation.


No suprise there. Wonder if congress will get the 2/3 needed to shove it back in his face. It seems like plenty of republicans up for election this year can't let this fly...
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 21 Feb 2006, 20:54:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n more than five years, Bush has yet to veto any legislation.


Currently he:

1. signs stuff and says it doesn't apply to him
2. says he has executive privilage
3. gets congress to pass legislation without reading it
4. says treaties are null and void
5. says it's part of the current war

why would he need to veto anything?

What happened when China was trying to by a US oil company? They didn't mind upsetting their major creditor then.
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby J-Rod » Tue 21 Feb 2006, 21:04:38

I just watched the Cafferty File, and the emails regarding the port situation were scathing to say the least. Even many republicans said that impeachment should be an option if this goes forward. Blitzer asked if there were any of the emails pro-administration stance, Cafferty said that out of 5,000 emails, maybe 4 were. Talk about political pressure. Bill Maher was also on earlier, and of course he spoke his mind, quite bluntly. :)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')I'm not afraid to be a little Archie Bunker about this, terrorists, I mean Arabs cannot protect our ports."


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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby JoeCoal » Tue 21 Feb 2006, 21:34:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oilfreeandhappy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'W')e've been constantly told in the media that its not a question of "if" but "when" the US experiences another terror attack. We have also been told, repeatedly, that port security, especially cargo containers, are the biggest hole in US security. Now, the US approves the sale of cargo container unloading to UAE - a country that recognized the Taliban, had individuals linked to 911, and other security problems. It seems that the US is selffullfilling its own notion that it will experience another terrorist attack with a cargo container being involved.


Maybe this is the case. I'm one of many Americans who believe that the US Government knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance, and did nothing to prevent them. Part of a big-picture plot to amass troops into the Middle East.


Yes, of course, I agree completly. We're being groomed to expect a nuclear device in a cargo container. Said device will be provided, and the detonation therof will be blamed on a country with huge oil reserves, and this country will be invaded. Then we will all willingly give up even more freedom in the name of the war on terrorism, which is all just a cover for the PO/Petrodollar problem.

Now let's all be good little sheep and repeat the following until we believe it:

We've always been at war with Eastasia. Two plus Two is Five. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.

There. Feel better?

No, seriously, this is just too obvious, or too stupid, or too something I can't figure out. Dubbya and his gang can't really be this stupid, so something else is going on. No, never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.

My head hurts...
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Re: White House approves US port purchases by UAE

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 21 Feb 2006, 22:17:32

maybe bush is trying to get impeached before the shtf. 2006 is going to be year when it hits the fan anyway, so bush wants out so he wont be blamed for the collapse we are about to see happen.
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