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The looting continues

Unread postby eric_b » Sun 05 Feb 2006, 02:29:55

More money for the Pentagon/military, less for everyone else.

Not really surprising, is it?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... htm?csp=24
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 05 Feb 2006, 02:37:59

Nothing in that article bothers me, except the higher costs for veterans.
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby pepper2000 » Sun 05 Feb 2006, 06:01:59

<I>The departments of <B>Education</B>, Commerce, Interior and <B>Energy</B> — will see their budgets, on average, frozen or cut slightly below today's already austere levels.</I>

I guess the State of the Union was a bunch of empty promises after all. The future doesn't matter any more in America.
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sun 05 Feb 2006, 14:38:30

We're broke!

These deficits are huge and mounting.

What are you expecting?

A massive tax hike to pay for a massive expansion of our infrastructure? Try getting that past Joe Sixpack in an election year.

Bush Senior lost to Clinton because of his 1990 tax hike. If Bush Junior attempted anything even close to what his father did...the GOP might as well just hand over the keys to Capital Hill.

So without a tax hike or a cut in Medicare (impossible), Social Security (unthinkable), debt payment (illegal), or the military (we're fighting several wars, remember?) Bush has no choice but to cut other spending.

Or we could just keep bleeding red ink until the world cuts us off.

I dislike some of the cuts, but we don't really have a choice. Frankly I think we could slim the Pentagon's budget a little to keep the DOE fully funded. But some of these other programs have to disappear. We're overextended and on the verge of bankruptcy unless something changes...FAST.
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby eric_b » Sun 05 Feb 2006, 15:04:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'W')e're broke!

These deficits are huge and mounting.

What are you expecting?

A massive tax hike to pay for a massive expansion of our infrastructure? Try getting that past Joe Sixpack in an election year.

Bush Senior lost to Clinton because of his 1990 tax hike. If Bush Junior attempted anything even close to what his father did...the GOP might as well just hand over the keys to Capital Hill.

So without a tax hike or a cut in Medicare (impossible), Social Security (unthinkable), debt payment (illegal), or the military (we're fighting several wars, remember?) Bush has no choice but to cut other spending.

Or we could just keep bleeding red ink until the world cuts us off.

I dislike some of the cuts, but we don't really have a choice. Frankly I think we could slim the Pentagon's budget a little to keep the DOE fully funded. But some of these other programs have to disappear. We're overextended and on the verge of bankruptcy unless something changes...FAST.


lol. Where did I say anything about raising taxes?

I guess I was hoping for something resembling a balanced budget.

My anger has to do with the Iraq war. We're hemorrhaging money
over there and only making the situation worse. It disgusts me. So
much money wasted in Iraq. How much has simply disappeared? And
then there's all the corrupt crony contracts with outfits like Haliburton. No
accountability. Talk about looting.

And we do have a choice. Get the hell out of Iraq, NOW.

Not like it's going to happen, so we continue heading towards fiscal
extinction at an accelerated rate.
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby LadyRuby » Sun 05 Feb 2006, 15:08:14

It's going to take both spending cuts and tax increases.

Yes, INCREASE TAXES, don't be afraid ....
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby silveredwings » Mon 06 Feb 2006, 22:57:59

I fantasize a future where our leaders have the power to stand up to big oil and cut off the subsidies and favored treatment, where we don't have to send our sons, daughters and hard-to-come-by earnings to fight other countries' wars, and where the renuable energy technologies we develop instead are so much more valuable than petroleum that not only do we have a balanced world trade but the middle-east can no longer fund terrorism.

Naw, that's crazy talkin'. So much for daring to dream. We could never figure all that out. Besides, our kids don't deserve a world in which they can survive, do they?
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby oilfreeandhappy » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 11:30:17

Well said Silveredwings. I couldn't agree with you more.
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby Cobra_Strike » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 18:26:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pepper2000', '&')lt;I>The departments of <B>Education</B>, Commerce, Interior and <B>Energy</B> — will see their budgets, on average, frozen or cut slightly below today's already austere levels.</I>

I guess the State of the Union was a bunch of empty promises after all. The future doesn't matter any more in America.
The point is not that the future does not matter. They appear to be spending like there is no future due to the fact that there is none. At very least, they are not going to have afuture that is like today....
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby Liamj » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 18:35:29

To bankrupt government suits the private profiteers just fine, watch as we all let it happen and deliver ourselves into serfdom.
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby UIUCstudent01 » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 21:44:26

There was something recently something about selling national forested land to pay for the education cuts.

I'm too lazy to google it..
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 22:09:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UIUCstudent01', 'T')here was something recently something about selling national forested land to pay for the education cuts.


Yes, it was "We will sell off everything that is not nailed down, that will teach them!"
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 23:56:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UIUCstudent01', 'T')here was something recently something about selling national forested land to pay for the education cuts.


I am surrounded my federally owned "National Forest Land". It's about as much a "forest" as my front lawn.

"National Tree Farm" would be a more apt description. The forest products companies get the timber off it for next to nothing so they might as well own it. Then local governments could better tax them.
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby UIUCstudent01 » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 00:25:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UIUCstudent01', 'T')here was something recently something about selling national forested land to pay for the education cuts.


I am surrounded my federally owned "National Forest Land". It's about as much a "forest" as my front lawn.

"National Tree Farm" would be a more apt description. The forest products companies get the timber off it for next to nothing so they might as well own it. Then local governments could better tax them.


I guess it's better than getting trees from the rainforest or Canada...
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby rogerhb » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 00:26:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'I') am surrounded my federally owned "National Forest Land". It's about as much a "forest" as my front lawn.


Be careful, the could use Eminent Domain, throw you off your land and grow trees in your living room if they can claim it's more profitable than you sitting on your couch watching the telly.
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby hippiegunlover » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 08:19:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UIUCstudent01', 'T')here was something recently something about selling national forested land to pay for the education cuts.

I'm too lazy to google it..


There was an article in my local paper (Charleston(WV) Gazette) this weekend. It was about foresting Monongohela National Forest even more heavily to make up for education budget cuts. But the only counties that would benefit from it are the ones the forest is in, to make up for the "lost taxes" that would be paid if people lived there.

I was wondering why the counties needed more money for education if no one lives there?
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby rogerhb » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 08:28:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hippiegunlover', 'I') was wondering why the counties needed more money for education if no one lives there?


... but ... but ... you've got to have education, er, it stands to reason,... you've got to have your learning, um, and schools, .... schools are good because you can do all that learning and education in them, ... and teachers need jobs, so, .... you need all that money for schools and books and teachers, ... and all that education and learning...., and with not having any revenue because no body lives there, then, then, you have to do something? No?
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Re: The looting continues

Unread postby Liamj » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 19:55:10

Of course people need education, otherwise they don't appropriately value education, taxation, hyper-specialisation, debt, war, and the god almighty clock that decrees where and what you are.
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