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Re: Deffeyes updates his site

Postby Flow » Wed 30 Nov 2005, 16:47:16

He is updating his site to push his Peak Oil date back even further once again (much like most that have predicted Peak Oil was right around the corner in the past).


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Deffeyes updates his site

Postby johnmarkos » Wed 30 Nov 2005, 17:06:27

Um, that's not what I read.

Agree with it or not, Professor Deffeyes is sticking to his Thanksgiving, 2005 prediction.

http://www.princeton.edu/hubbert/current-events.html

See, "November 28, 2005."

I'm curious to know what he will say if it becomes obvious that oil did not peak on Thanksgiving (for example, if 2006 production exceeds that of 2005).

Also, he wrote in Hubbert's Peak that there's no way PO could be after 2009.

I'd love to hear a conversation between Deffeyes and Mike Lynch in 2011.
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Re: Deffeyes updates his site

Postby DigitalCubano » Wed 30 Nov 2005, 18:02:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', 'I')'m curious to know what he will say if it becomes obvious that oil did not peak on Thanksgiving (for example, if 2006 production exceeds that of 2005).

Also, he wrote in Hubbert's Peak that there's no way PO could be after 2009.

I'd love to hear a conversation between Deffeyes and Mike Lynch in 2011.


Ditto. I'd also like to hear what Simmons has to say next Spring if gas isn't $10 per gallon and I'm not slashing my neighbor's throat for his stash of beef jerkey and motrin. :twisted:
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Re: Deffeyes updates his site

Postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Wed 30 Nov 2005, 18:20:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ould that be:
Biggist Prickist?

... after failing to contain the snickering...

Centurian, thwow him to the fwoowr!



BWAHAHAHAHAHA! man I haven't ever heard anyone reference that before!
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Re: Deffeyes updates his site

Postby clv101 » Wed 30 Nov 2005, 20:37:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Flow', 'H')e is updating his site to push his Peak Oil date back even further once again (much like most that have predicted Peak Oil was right around the corner in the past).
Where did he say that? I know decent data is hard to come by these days but just straight out lieing? Deffeyes isn't "updating his site to push his Peak Oil date back even further once again". He wrote "Why is this Thanksgiving different from all other Thanksgivings? It’s the peak of world oil production."
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Re: Deffeyes updates his site

Postby MonteQuest » Thu 01 Dec 2005, 01:23:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clv101', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Flow', 'H')e is updating his site to push his Peak Oil date back even further once again (much like most that have predicted Peak Oil was right around the corner in the past).
Where did he say that? I know decent data is hard to come by these days but just straight out lieing? Deffeyes isn't "updating his site to push his Peak Oil date back even further once again". He wrote "Why is this Thanksgiving different from all other Thanksgivings? It’s the peak of world oil production."


Actually, he said at the end:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') see no reason to retract my Thanksgiving, 2005 prediction.


Flow didn't even bother to read the update. :roll:
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Re: Deffeyes updates his site

Postby seldom_seen » Thu 01 Dec 2005, 01:34:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')irsch considered technologies for replacing crude oil that are ready or nearly ready for commercial use.

Here we go again, we're going to replace oil with technology? In Science magazine of all places.
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Re: Deffeyes updates his site

Postby PeakOiler » Thu 01 Dec 2005, 07:20:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', 'W')ould that be:
Biggist Prickist?

... after failing to contain the snickering... :lol:

Centurian, thwow him to the fwoowr!


rofl!

Right. Biggist Prickist was Biccus Dickus and Incontinetia Buttocks' son apparently!
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Deffeyes at Caltech

Postby Carlhole » Wed 07 Dec 2005, 13:41:13

FTW Subscribers Only Story (this is the email teaser)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('source', '')I’m not so worried about the next 15 to 20 years. I’m very scared about the next five.”

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December 7, 2005 0800 PST (FTW) -- At 8 p.m. on December 1st, Kenneth Deffeyes gave this year’s Lauritsen Memorial Lecture to a packed house at Beckman Auditorium on the California Institute of Technology campus. Just over 800 people heard the thesis and supporting arguments of his most recent book, Beyond Oil. It’s a brief, graceful book whose two strengths are a new non-technical presentation of M. King Hubbert’s work aimed at laypeople (without the use of logarithmic curves), and a survey of the various non-conventional sources of hydrocarbon energy (including coal gasification, tar sands, methane hydrates, and others). The venue was ideal, as the press release explained: “Though he is not affiliated with Caltech, Deffeyes’ work is of keen interest to the Caltech community, in part because the Institute’s vice provost, David Goodstein, is also an authority on the coming production peak of oil.”
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How to contact Dr. Deffeyes?

Postby Tanada » Sun 08 Jan 2006, 12:32:31

I received The View From Hubbert's Peak by Dr. Deffeyes for christmas and finished reading it yesterday. I was surprised to discover to moderate factual errors in the chapter on Uranium and would like to submit correction to the Professor for subseqyent editions of his book.

Any suggestions on how to effectively contact the Professor with the corrections?
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Re: How to contact Dr. Deffeyes?

Postby gt1370a » Sun 08 Jan 2006, 17:10:38

Deffeyes, Kenneth S.
Professor of Geosciences, Emeritus.
Home Department: Geosciences
Office Address: B58A2 Guyot Hall
Campus Phone: 609-258-3597
Campus Fax: 609-258-1274
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Deffeyes' New Prediction

Postby Leanan » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 13:26:11

He's updated his Web site: link
The good news is, the peak wasn't Thanksgiving Day last year. The bad news - it was three weeks later.
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Re: Deffeyes' New Prediction

Postby Leanan » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 13:46:12

I'm not sure, but perhaps he means the oil drawn from reserves? After Katrina, we pulled oil out of our own strategic petroleum reserve, as well as Europe's and Japan's. That would be demand that was not met by production.

Simmons also believes the Saudis use their huge tank farms to disguise their actual production.
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Re: Deffeyes' New Prediction

Postby backstop » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 13:46:31

Leanan -that confirmation is some news !
One aspect I don't follow is D's statement that while global supply rose by a mere 0.8% last year despite the escalating prices, global demand rose by 3%.
Short of measuring garage queues of un-sated drivers, how is un-met "demand" measured ? Could you clarify this ?
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Re: Deffeyes' New Prediction

Postby clv101 » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 13:49:10

While he may be right and 2006 might see lower production - there's no way it can be calculated as he has done there with such crazy precision. The peak global flow rate might occur after 55% or 60% of URR has been extracted. It's said that his Thanksgiving prediction was tong-in-cheek, this is also?
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Re: Deffeyes' New Prediction

Postby clv101 » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 13:50:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('backstop', 'O')ne aspect I don't follow is D's statement that while global supply rose by a mere 0.8% last year despite the escalating prices, global demand rose by 3%. Short of measuring garage queues of un-sated drivers, how is un-met "demand" measured ?

Demand at last years prices might have increased 3% but this years prices brought it back down to exactly what was produced. Demand=Production, the price varies to make it so. Demand is the amount bought at the price paid - if the price increased such that 2.2% less oil was brought than would have been at the lower price then demand didn't increase by 3% it only increased by 0.8%.
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Re: Deffeyes' New Prediction

Postby Leanan » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 13:54:53

Looks like the servers are out of synch again. Either that, or I used my psychic ability to predict Backstop's question and answer it before he asked it. :wink:
I'm not sure how serious Deffeyes is. But I think he does believe in Hubbert's method. Hubbert's method isn't much affected by new discoveries. Hence the U.S. peak was in 1970, as predicted, despite the huge Prudhoe Bay reserves which Hubbert did not consider. Deffeyes argues, convincingly, that because production is so high right now, it will be very difficult for new finds to make a real difference. We cannot replace all the existing, declining fields with new finds. And he thinks Ghawar is going down fast:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')hawar, the supergiant Saudi oilfield, is producing increasing amounts of water along with the oil. When Simmons sent Twilight in the Desert to the printer, the water cut at Ghawar was around 30 percent. There are later reports on the Internet (home.entouch.net/dmd/ghawar.htm) of water cuts as high as 55 percent. Ghawar has been producing 4 million barrels per day; when the Ghawar field waters out, you can kiss your lifestyle goodbye.

I don't think he's serious about the exact date of peak oil being Dec 16, 2005. I think he is serious about us being past peak now.
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Re: Deffeyes' New Prediction

Postby mekrob » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 13:59:13

How exactly do you pronounce Deffeyes correctly? I can't find a way without some help on this one. Thanks
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Re: Deffeyes' New Prediction

Postby sjn » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 13:59:44

I can see no problem with demand being higher than production. While it can't continue indefinitely supply can and was/is met from reserves and inventries. Indeed the release from the SPRs had the effect of surpresing the price and holding demand at a level necessarily higher than production.
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Re: Deffeyes' New Prediction

Postby Leanan » Sun 12 Feb 2006, 14:02:21

It's Def - fays.
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