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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby PrairieMule » Tue 07 Feb 2006, 18:20:51

Vagabond thing sounds smart:low profile and simple. I have heard of magnet stuff. I myself would not trust it with my immune system. I cetainly hope you can boil the bacteria, protozas, and chemical pollution out of the water with your magnets.

Cryptosporidium and Guardia is the one thing I fear more than snakes, bears, or feral dogs. It can cause diahrrea that can last up to one month to pass through your system. Great way to loose that extra 15 lbs. Oh then there are viruses. None reported to date in the US but who knows what's in the soup down in New Orleans.

Anybody here Wilderness EMT certified?
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby Jake_old » Tue 07 Feb 2006, 19:03:19

OMG I think i get it. :-D
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 07 Feb 2006, 23:14:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'C')ryptosporidium and Guardia is the one thing I fear more than snakes, bears, or feral dogs.

It really is a privilidged white people thing to be scared of giardia. Most people in the world have Giardia right now. You'll live.
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby FossilFool » Wed 08 Feb 2006, 00:05:22

Yeah, even if you do all this planning, you can still end up dying in it. Maybe by a starving cannabal or something. But it's better to have a chance and also have that calm that you aren't totally unprepared when the SHTF and have a better chance than others.

I remember when 9-11 happened. I almost bought a gas mask.
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby 4StringSlinger » Thu 09 Feb 2006, 13:05:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'Y')ou guys completely misunderstand the idea of being a survivalist.


This I would love to hear. Spec, I mean this in the most respectful way, lets compare notes. Me first.

To me it's not just the philosophies of Ragnar Benson, Kurt Saxon, Paladin Press, The Red Cross, the gift of fear, Ready.gov, frugal squirrel, or Tom Brown but rather a little bit from each school of thought applied in the field. To me survivalism is 6 different ways to purify stagnant water(which I do know how to do) rather than 6 different ways to killing a villager with a bamboo stick. It's maintaining a body temp of 98.6 in damp weather.

It's Mental, Spiritual, Physical, Material(gear) preparation. Its being able to adjust the filters of your mind to be attune to the stimulus of each unique enviroment. It'sa concious focus on relaxing because I understand how panicing restricts oxygen in your brain. It's maintaining attitude of Tough Minded Optimism I learned about by reading Norman Vincent Peale in Jr.High. It's also the ability to communicate or persuade to people outside my normal circle. It's more than just reading it requires practical application.


Well said, +1.
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby Eotyrant » Thu 09 Feb 2006, 14:19:11

Survivalism is Ray Mears. :p
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby Eotyrant » Thu 09 Feb 2006, 14:55:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'I') have read a few of his works but he deals with bush craft. If you must pick just 1 author. Go with John "Lofty"Wiseman. Half of his work is on traditional bushcraft but he has written a grat book called "the SAS Urban Survial Guide Book" I picked up pre Y2K. Only 1% is devoted to guns and the rest reads like a boy scout handbook on practical stuff like not getting electrocuted, putting out a fire in your kitchen, surviving a natural disasters, changing a flat tire etc.


Cheers sounds good. For US readers, Ray Mears is something of a legend in the UK for his programs on the BBC about bushcraft. Any other authors that people would recommend?
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 09 Feb 2006, 14:56:59

I have read a few of his works but he deals with bush craft. If you must pick just 1 author. Go with John "Lofty"Wiseman. Half of his work is on traditional bushcraft but he has written a grat book called "the SAS Urban Survial Guide Book" I picked up pre Y2K. Only 1% is devoted to guns and the rest reads like a boy scout handbook on practical stuff like not getting electrocuted, putting out a fire in your kitchen, surviving a natural disasters, changing a flat tire etc.
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 09 Feb 2006, 15:01:02

Eotyrant-

Are you hip to to John Wiseman? On our side of the pond he is up there with Tom Brown, only less tracking but more well rounded.
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby Jake_old » Thu 09 Feb 2006, 18:05:54

Ray Mears is a hero, but I would want to be near him in arctic, desert, mountain, water conditions.

Not in the case of.....nuclear fallout..... for example, or the disintegration of society, or rocking an empty rocking chair. :)
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby Eotyrant » Fri 10 Feb 2006, 06:46:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'E')otyrant-

Are you hip to to John Wiseman? On our side of the pond he is up there with Tom Brown, only less tracking but more well rounded.


Sadly not, but mein gott, has he written a lot of books! SAS urban, extreme, ultimate, kitchen, wedding etc. Must read some soon.
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby MD » Fri 10 Feb 2006, 07:53:27

I prefer to focus of group instead of individual survivalism.

1. Choose where you live

Avoid areas prone to natural disaster
Avoid cities over 150,000
Avoid areas with severe climate
Prefer areas with a stable and somewhat homogeneous population
Prefer areas with a strong agricultural base
Prefer areas with natural barriers

I happen to live in central ohio on the edge of a city of 50000. It measures up reasonably well, with the exception of some large metro areas within 75 miles and few natural barriers between here and there.

2. Promote strong local community by being civically involved

Support local charities
Promote sustainable business
Promote business diversity
Support local agriculture
Promote and be involved with community groups of all kinds
Promote and support local emergency response planning
Promote and support local militia

3. Personal planning

A few weeks of food and supplies
Emergency medical supplies
Reference books for various subjects
Develop broad and valuable skill sets
Be prepared to stay warm and watered for the long term
Know and build strong relationships with your immediate neighbors

Most Important: Always be spiritually, mentally and physically prepared to break the technology tethers that currently support your life!

So let's review the possibilities and see how the preps have helped for central Ohio scenarios.

Blizzard- a few days of food and water, some firewood for the fireplace.

Earthquake- same

Tornado- Sturdy house, sound basement

Transportation grid/economic disruption, short term-
Food and water supplies on hand, many farms close by, good relations with immediate neighbors.

Economic disruption, medium term-
Food and water close by, local police, militia groups maintain control through monitoring of roadways.(yes, checkpoints and blockades)

Economic disruption, long term
Become a farmer

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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 10 Feb 2006, 12:51:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'A')void cities over 150,000


Gad. Who would want to live in a city that big!?! 15,000 seems like a more reasonable goal.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'A')void areas with severe climate


I totally disagree with this one. Montana has one of the most severe climates in the US. I could have made it through the winter here without using fuel for anything but cooking if I needed to. (wouldn't have been comfortable, but I could have done it.) If there's a disruption of energy supply, this will be the sweet place to be because everyone will vamoos so there will be tons of resources (game, wild foods, etc) for those of us that stay.
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby Specop_007 » Fri 10 Feb 2006, 12:59:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'Y')ou guys completely misunderstand the idea of being a survivalist.


This I would love to hear. Spec, I mean this in the most respectful way, lets compare notes. Me first.

To me it's not just the philosophies of Ragnar Benson, Kurt Saxon, Paladin Press, The Red Cross, the gift of fear, Ready.gov, frugal squirrel, or Tom Brown but rather a little bit from each school of thought applied in the field. To me survivalism is 6 different ways to purify stagnant water(which I do know how to do) rather than 6 different ways to killing a villager with a bamboo stick. It's maintaining a body temp of 98.6 in damp weather.

It's Mental, Spiritual, Physical, Material(gear) preparation. Its being able to adjust the filters of your mind to be attune to the stimulus of each unique enviroment. It'sa concious focus on relaxing because I understand how panicing restricts oxygen in your brain. It's maintaining attitude of Tough Minded Optimism I learned about by reading Norman Vincent Peale in Jr.High. It's also the ability to communicate or persuade to people outside my normal circle. It's more than just reading it requires practical application.


I agree, Its much more then knowing how to purify water, kill a bear with your bare hands and start a fire with nothing more then a rock and a few twigs.

We're all survivalists, people just dont realize it. Do you work to pay your bills and save a little extra "just in case"? Do you have an insurance policy of some type? Do you go to the dentist or doctor for checkups?
Those are the skills of todays survivalist. Our current civilization doesnt require us to know how to skin a rabbit and cook it over an open fire.

But some of us simply take survivalism to the next level, and plan for more what ifs. We have car insurance in case we bang up our shiny car, and we wear our seatbelt in case we get into a car wreck. Why? Because we want to be prepared. We're survivalists.
Do you keep a pantry with a few extra days food? Why? How about a generator? Why?

Some of us simply choose to take it to the next level. Theres different degrees of "survivalist" but rest assured we're ALL survivalists, some of us just dont know it.
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby MD » Fri 10 Feb 2006, 13:11:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'A')void cities over 150,000


Gad. Who would want to live in a city that big!?! 15,000 seems like a more reasonable goal.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'A')void areas with severe climate


I totally disagree with this one. Montana has one of the most severe climates in the US. I could have made it through the winter here without using fuel for anything but cooking if I needed to. (wouldn't have been comfortable, but I could have done it.) If there's a disruption of energy supply, this will be the sweet place to be because everyone will vamoos so there will be tons of resources (game, wild foods, etc) for those of us that stay.


It's all about balance, risk assessments, and tradeoffs.

Are you very independent(very broad skill set), healthy, and young? If so, the risks associated with smaller communities and more severe climates are less of a problem.

Stay the hell away from LA, Boston-Washington corridor, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, etc.

Some 300,000 cities may in fact be quite desirable, if the rest of the factors are very favorable. Upstate NY is one example of an area with some medium sized cities but has so much potential the risks of size can be overlooked.

There are lots of cities in the 50,000-150,000 range. Big enough to have some group protection form being over run by outsiders. Small enough that internal turmoil can be managed.

Montana can be great, but not for the unprepared in mind, body, and spirit. Montana will eat the weak real fast.
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby PrairieMule » Fri 10 Feb 2006, 13:23:16

Well said Spec. It's all a matter of degrees. We all know to what degree you are with the gun thing and I have pretty good idea of your level of awareness and fieldcraft skill. Let me ask you this, who or what books have you found influenced your mindset?
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby PrairieMule » Fri 10 Feb 2006, 13:31:54

[quote="MD"]
It's all about balance, risk assessments, and tradeoffs. [quote]

pure gold.....

[quote]
Stay the hell away from LA, Boston-Washington corridor, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, etc.

[quote]

Unfortunatley, I habitate in North Dallas but live 162 miles from the family ranch. The ranch however at least 60 miles away from a military base or town over 30,000 with plenty of assets in between here and there for plan B,C, and D .
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 10 Feb 2006, 13:47:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'M')ontana will eat the weak real fast.

Not unless we're really running low on elk. [smilie=eusa_shifty.gif]
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby PrairieMule » Fri 10 Feb 2006, 14:08:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'M')ontana will eat the weak real fast.

Not unless we're really running low on elk. [smilie=eusa_shifty.gif]


I wouldn't count on the elk heards being thinned out by the California Transplants. I think when the grocieries get low here in Texas everyones going deer hunting, but it's going to get a little more "competitive" for the natural resources than Montana.
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Re: Survivalist Fantasies

Unread postby spear » Fri 10 Feb 2006, 15:19:50

Survivalist fantasy?One word.Aegean.
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