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Unread postby pup55 » Wed 08 Feb 2006, 09:23:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')AIRO, Egypt - A 93,000-ton cargo ship blocked the Suez Canal on Wednesday, stopping all transit of the waterway between the Mediterranean and the Red Sea, a Suez Canal Authority official said.
The Hong Kong-flagged ship drifted at right angles to the canal while passing through the waterway near Ismailiya, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Suez Canal's strategic importance lies in the fact that it is essential for world trade. It transports 14% of the total world trade, 26% of oil exports, 41% of the total volume of goods and cargo that reach Arab Gulf ports.

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This is one of those systempunkt places where one idiot in a junky boat can temporarily shut down 25% of the mideast oil exports. It looks like this particular situation is fairly innocuous, but you can see right away the potential if somebody decided to do some mischief.
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Re: Bad News from Suez

Unread postby thor » Wed 08 Feb 2006, 09:48:08

The Suez Canal does appear to have an extremely low EIOCR: Energy Invested On Chaos Returned. 8)
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Re: Bad News from Suez

Unread postby Daryl » Wed 08 Feb 2006, 12:19:38

Nice target for an Iranian missile.
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Re: Bad News from Suez

Unread postby rushdy » Wed 08 Feb 2006, 16:15:56

Strong winds my backside, I reacon the captains been drinking! :lol:
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Re: Bad News from Suez

Unread postby FoxV » Wed 08 Feb 2006, 23:21:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 'I')t looks like this particular situation is fairly innocuous, but you can see right away the potential if somebody decided to do some mischief.

Here's the google map zoomed in on a section

Its not just 330 yards at its norrowest, its 330 yards for its entire length. The damn tankers are around half as wide as the canal.

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damn, just measured one of those puppies, the tankers are as long as the canal is wide. and this is for two way traffic

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Re: Bad News from Suez

Unread postby strider3700 » Thu 09 Feb 2006, 01:52:20

Sinking ships in the canal to block it is an old trick

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... egypt2.htm

Apparently the US isn't sending supply ships through it to resupply due to terrorism concerns being too high.
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Re: Bad News from Suez

Unread postby Bleep » Thu 09 Feb 2006, 09:06:33

More stuff in general:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.solarnavigator.net/suez_canal.htm]WORLD OIL TRANSIT CHOKEPOINTS (link)[/url]
Over 35 million barrels per day (bbl/d) pass through the relatively narrow shipping lanes and pipelines discussed below. These routes are known as chokepoints due to their potential for closure. Disruption of oil flows through any of these export routes could have a significant impact on world oil prices.
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Re: Bad News from Suez

Unread postby DantesPeak » Thu 09 Feb 2006, 10:20:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2')/9/06 Agence Fr.-Presse 07:34:00
AGENCE FRANCE PRESSE ENGLISH WIRE
Copyright 2006 Agence France-Presse February 9, 2006:
Suez traffic normal after stranded ship moved
ISMAILIYA, Egypt, Feb 9, 2006 (AFP) - Traffic on the Suez Canal moved freely again on Thursday after a cargo ship blocking the vital waterway was moved, an official with the canal authority said.

Traffic was interrupted in both directions Wednesday morning after a Hong Kong-flagged vessel and its 93,000-ton cargo drifted from its path near Ismailiya and ran aground as it headed northwards from the Red Sea.

Canal authority tug boats pulled the stranded ship from its perch and traffic returned to normal around 8:00 pm (1800 GMT) Wednesday, the source said on condition of anonymity.

Bad weather and strong seas had disrupted transport into and out of Egypt Wednesday, forcing four Red Sea harbours and several airports to close.

The Suez canal is Egypt's third largest source of revenue and lost income is estimated at seven million dollars for each day of closure.
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Re: Bad News from Suez

Unread postby Ferretlover » Wed 03 Dec 2008, 10:13:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')AIRO, Egypt - A 93,000-ton cargo ship blocked the Suez Canal on Wednesday, stopping all transit of the waterway between the Mediterranean and the Red Sea, a Suez Canal Authority official said.

For the past year or so, everytime I hear about something like this, my first thoughts are that someone is trying to figure out what the civilian/military response would be to such a situation.
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Suez canal environmental impact

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 03 Dec 2008, 20:39:27

I originally posted this to an existing thread in current events but I think it deserves its own topic in this forum. If the Mods dissagree they will delete this one, I guess.

I have been learning about the Suez Canal for the last week or so because of an unrelated project and was surprized to learn a couple of things. Te first surprise is that the Gulf of Suez is 1.2 meters higher in elevation than the Med Sea, so water flows freely from the Gulf through the canal and into the Med Sea basin. The canal passes through the Geat Bitter Lake and the Lesser Bitter Lake during its transit and for many years the highly saline water in these two bodies was potent enough that any Red Sea life forms which transited the canal were killed upon entry, however the canal has now been open for most of the last 140 years with a few brief closures. Because the water flows freely through the canal 24/7 the concentrated water of the bitter lakes has now been diluted to the same salinity level as the Gulf of Suez. As a consequence both of the Bitter Lakes have been colonized by lifeforms native to the Red Sea and these invadors have now passed all the way through the canal and entered the Med Sea basin. Because the waters of the Med Sea basin on the eastern end more closely resemble those of the Red Sea than those of the Atlantic the Red Sea invaders are out competing the Atlantic species which enter the Med Sea through the straits of Gibralter.

Additionally while the Suezmax freight limits have prevented fully loaded supertankers from transiting the canal from the Persian Gulf to Europe these ships have been able to navigate the canal while in ballast on there way back to the Persian Gulf. The Suez Canal Authority is currently dredging the Suez canal to increase its depth and ultimate capacity which will permit fully loaded supertankers to transit the canal from the Persian Gulf to Europe, saving millions of dollars of fuel currently consumed while transiting around Africa to reach Europe. How much faster the deeper canal will pass water into the Med basin I have not been able to discover, however there are no plans to put any locks in the system so the water will continue to pass through via gravity feed unabated.

It will be educational to learn in the future what impacts this higher flow volume has on the chemical balance of the water in the Eastern Med Basin.

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Re: Suez canal environmental impact

Unread postby frankthetank » Wed 03 Dec 2008, 21:55:04

I wonder how some of those species adapt to the colder water of the Med? I bet the Med warms more then it should by the intrusion of that water...probably has a small effect.

Funny... I've been reading a lot about the Nile lately. Trying to figure out what the Egyptians will do when it runs dry!

They finally netted a "Flying Carp" right by the city of La Crosse. This is the farthest north one has been caught.
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Re: Suez canal environmental impact

Unread postby dunewalker » Wed 03 Dec 2008, 22:51:51

Tanada, you piqued my curiosity about the Suez Canal, as I've never studied it. Surprising to learn that it's a sea level canal. I did a little googling & discovered that apparently there was some sort of canal there in the times of Cleopatra and Ramses. Some course between the Nile & the Red Sea, which I guess would accomplish much the same goal as the modern version. Maybe Frankthetank with his mapping skills can dredge up some maps on this--I'd be very interested.
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Re: Suez canal environmental impact

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 04 Dec 2008, 00:39:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dunewalker', 'T')anada, you piqued my curiosity about the Suez Canal, as I've never studied it. Surprising to learn that it's a sea level canal. I did a little googling & discovered that apparently there was some sort of canal there in the times of Cleopatra and Ramses. Some course between the Nile & the Red Sea, which I guess would accomplish much the same goal as the modern version. Maybe Frankthetank with his mapping skills can dredge up some maps on this--I'd be very interested.


If you go to this LINK and scroll to page four of the encoded document you will see a map with a releif inset of the canal route showing the hills and mountains they moved in three spots to make it sea level the whole way.

As for the old freshwater canal, if you look at the releif map it is beleived to have extended from the Nile Delta to the Great Bitter Lake, and from the lesser lake to the Suez gulf.

There are archetectural records of Persian Gulf built ships at Batusus in the Nile Delta. These ships were not seen in the rest of the Med basin, only as far as the Nile Delta, but they supported oar powered trading ships, trireme galleys, whish came from as far as Basra on the Tigris/Euphrates to trade.
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Re: Suez canal environmental impact

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 04 Dec 2008, 00:51:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'I') wonder how some of those species adapt to the colder water of the Med? I bet the Med warms more then it should by the intrusion of that water...probably has a small effect.

Funny... I've been reading a lot about the Nile lately. Trying to figure out what the Egyptians will do when it runs dry!

They finally netted a "Flying Carp" right by the city of La Crosse. This is the farthest north one has been caught.


The main issue is salinity, the eastern Med is very Saline, much more so than the Atlantic and the Black Sea, which makes it hard for biota entering from those area's to succeed in the Eastern Med. The water from the Red Sea via Suez is even saltier than the eastern Med waters, but its salinity level is much closer to the Eastern Med than the Atlantic or Black Sea inflowing waters.

I saw a reference some time ago, not sure how serious it was, to put mylar film strung between floats on Lake Nassar to prevent evaporation losses.
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Re: Suez canal environmental impact

Unread postby frankthetank » Thu 04 Dec 2008, 01:46:12

They should have somehow routed it through the Nile. Therefore adding a freshwater barrier?

Panama canal like?
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Re: Suez canal environmental impact

Unread postby frankthetank » Thu 04 Dec 2008, 02:05:50

Just looking at some surface temps... In the Northern Red Sea right now the water temp is 30C while just north of Egypt the water temp is 22C... 15F difference... That Red Sea is like a BATH TUB!

That is roughly Tampa, FL latitude... Where just offshore in the GOM the water temp is 70F...

Could you imagine what it must be like living along the Red Sea in the summer time??? The humidity must be horrendous. I'm thinking the dewpoints must be some of the highest on the planet in that area.
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Re: Suez canal environmental impact

Unread postby careinke » Thu 04 Dec 2008, 04:32:32

Actually, the humidity is not as bad as it is in the Persian Gulf in the Summer. The Scuba diving in the Red Sea is (IMHO) the best in the world, especially on the Saudi side (due to lack of divers).

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Re: Suez canal environmental impact

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 04 Dec 2008, 07:51:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'J')ust looking at some surface temps... In the Northern Red Sea right now the water temp is 30C while just north of Egypt the water temp is 22C... 15F difference... That Red Sea is like a BATH TUB!

That is roughly Tampa, FL latitude... Where just offshore in the GOM the water temp is 70F...

Could you imagine what it must be like living along the Red Sea in the summer time??? The humidity must be horrendous. I'm thinking the dewpoints must be some of the highest on the planet in that area.


I wasn't able to find the outlet temp for the Nile with a quick search but I suspect flowing out of the desert as it does that its pretty high up there too.

The Red and the Gulf of Suez ar trapped between two deserts lol, they get lots of sun and very few clouds, and they have a slow current, all those things cause high evaporation rates and heat accumulation.
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Re: Suez canal environmental impact

Unread postby frankthetank » Thu 04 Dec 2008, 10:29:36

I use ship tracker for finding temps... Those big boats have gauges on them...

http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml

I was looking at the population of Egypt and it is nuts. 80 million people living in basically a desert, depending on one source of water for everything.

I also found a reference that told of the Nile FREEZING over twice in recorded history... Could you imagine? The river Nile froze twice in recorded history, in 829[9][10] and 1010.[11]

All i can say is that channel is used by the US military, and carries a lot of oil and goods. Not much can stop those!

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Re: Suez canal environmental impact

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 04 Dec 2008, 13:42:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'I') use ship tracker for finding temps... Those big boats have gauges on them...

http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml

I was looking at the population of Egypt and it is nuts. 80 million people living in basically a desert, depending on one source of water for everything.

I also found a reference that told of the Nile FREEZING over twice in recorded history... Could you imagine? The river Nile froze twice in recorded history, in 829[9][10] and 1010.[11]

All i can say is that channel is used by the US military, and carries a lot of oil and goods. Not much can stop those!

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Based on that thermal imiging map the water coming out of the Nile Delta is pretty darn warm, as is what crosses over the desert through the Suez Canal, however the Gulf of Suez where the canal water originates is not as warm as the eastern Med.
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