[Graeme]

The Fuel of the Future is here

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hrough years of committed research and development Bios Fuel founder Steve Ryan has developed an unprecedented water-based fuel. The Bios Fuel team is focused on ensuring that a Hydrogen Economy is the start of the next industrial and commercial revolution thus providing a solution to the number one problem of our world – our environment and the damage that existing fuel sources are causing.

[aldente]

Is it hydrodgen that they talk about? At least that's what I got in the glimpse of time that I dedicated to scan the link.

[Aedo]

Just seems to be electolysied hydrogen - but no details to indicate how it is split from the water.

[pup55]

Refer to Monte's Nine Critical Questions to Ask About Alternative Energy

Also:

Wikipedia

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[Graeme]

Yes I do acknowledge that hydrogen (probably electrolysis) is likely to be involved because he mentions it on his web site. But we really don't know the exact formulae of his mixture. The amount of hydrogen could be quite small or not even present. This won't be revealed until after the patent is granted after one year, which looks like October this year. Maybe it won't be granted then his "ïnvention"will fall flat. He was confident during interview on 20/20 though. We will see. I didn't mention that CO2 discharged from the exhaust during emission tests. Steve's reply was that oil from the sump mixed with water during combustion in the bike's cylinder. What was clearly demonstrated is that it is possible to run a slightly-modified (to carburator) existing bike on water mixed with an undetermined amount of hydrogen and perhaps other unknown ingredients. Whether this can be used on a wide scale for bikes and possibly cars remains to be seen. I'm simply reporting what I saw.

[Graeme]

Steve's invention looks remarkably similar to this:

http://www.peakoil.com/article11725.html

[Amerson]

Oh, give me a break about that Ryan from N.Z. He is an absolutely conman. What he is doing is a real scam. He is trying to copy some from American guys and now wants to sucks some idiots for big bucks. Australians have found more about Ryan's scams. Be careful with that conman.

[sugarandspice]

Can anyone tell me about Steve Ryan. Serious replies only please. Thank you.

[HorneyGeekBoi]

OK, to put it simply, hydrogen is not an energy source. Hydrogen does not exist in abundance and it must be created, and that TAKES energy. Hydrogen is nothing more than a fancy liquid or gas that does the same thing as a battery, except much more poorly. Until I see liquid hydrogen dispensers at 75% of petrol pumps, all powered by anything that isnt fossil fuel dependant, which probably means wind or solar, I wont be impressed by it. Imagine, even if everyone went out and bought a hydrogen car, there would be massive problems fueling them with something that is such an energy hog to make...

[ushoys]

If you do not consider Hydrogen to be an energy source then you cannot consider oil to be an energy source either. Oil was created from solar energy and if we ever produce Hydrogen in great quantities it will be from other forms of energy.

Of course oil contains far more energy than it takes us to produce it and there is less energy in Hydrogen than it takes us to make it. But just because it takes more energy in one form to produce energy in another form doesn't make the process invalid. For example, our bodies are extremely inefficient converters of energy but that doesn't mean eating isn't worthwhile.

[Etalon]

Thats not the point. We didnt have to put the energy into make the oil, the sun did that millions of years ago. we WILL have to put the energy into to turn water into hydrogen. Its just a fancy battery, not useless, but without an energy source, pointless.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ushoys', 'B')ut just because it takes more energy in one form to produce energy in another form doesn't make the process invalid.

[ushoys]

Why does it have to be cheap or abundant? "Cheap" and "abundant" are of course a relative terms and the times of cheap, abundant energy by yesterday's standards are gone forever. Again, that doesn't mean it is not worthwhile to convert one form of energy into another. It will just be at an ever-increasing expense.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ushoys', 'W')hy does it have to be cheap or abundant? "Cheap" and "abundant" are of course a relative terms and the times of cheap, abundant energy by yesterday's standards are gone forever. Again, that doesn't mean it is not worthwhile to convert one form of energy into another. It will just be at an ever-increasing expense.

[ushoys]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ushoys', 'W')hy does it have to be cheap or abundant? "Cheap" and "abundant" are of course a relative terms and the times of cheap, abundant energy by yesterday's standards are gone forever. Again, that doesn't mean it is not worthwhile to convert one form of energy into another. It will just be at an ever-increasing expense.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ushoys', ' ')None of this invalides the pursuit of Hydrogen.

[Kingcoal]

People just don't understand EROEI.

http://www.eroei.com/

[ushoys]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', 'P')eople just don't understand EROEI.

http://www.eroei.com/

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ushoys', ' ')I'm just not prepared to completely reject ideas of alternative forms of energy just because they are expensive, difficult, non-renewable or take more energy in another form to create.