[Carlhole]

You can watch the whole video for free here:

Loose Change 2

[Leanan]

What is this?

[Carlhole]

http://www.loosechange911.com/

[Free]

The style of the movie is great and very catchy, and of course many of the questions they ask are valid.
But if I remember right they also have this weird "pod-plane" and "hologram" theory?? If so, than they are hurting the 911 truth movement more than they are helping.

The best source IMHO is the scholars for 911 truth, http://www.st911.org/ ,because there are many engineers, physics Phds etc. contributing who look at it mostly from a strictly scientific/forensic perspective, which is badly needed and the only way to go.

But even they use bad info and questionable methods in my opinion, for example when they quote the infamous Andreas v. Bulow as "German Cabinet Member"... yes he was once, but what they don't tell you is that v. Bulow has no credit at all in Germany and has the reputation of a conspiracy nut.
I am not saying he is, or that his opinion doesn't matter.
But don't use such sources to try to give a theory some credibility - if you need to do that, you loose in fact credibility.

[MicroHydro]

Agree that LC2 is vastly improved. Dylan Avery, who is the real deal, pulled a fast one on his handler, Phil Jayhan.

Phil Jayhan is the nice polite squeaky clean boy next door front man for anti 9/11 truth movement disinformation and psyops. He operates a site letsroll911.org which pushes the pod theory. Phil's site links to all sorts of sites set up to discredit 9/11 truth:
Tom Flocco - totally discredited fake internet journalist
Greg Syzmanski - (arctic beacon) who reports on aliens at area 51
Eric Hufschmid - "Moon Hoax" enthusiast, big time flake
Jeff Rense - Purveyor of ESP pills and UFO videos
Alex Jones - a fundamentalist christian extremist obsessed with the occult

Of note, Phil Jayhan does not link to any of the quality investigative journalism done by David Ray Griffin, Michael Ruppert, globalresearch.ca, oilempire.us, and st911.org. The letsroll911.org site wants to direct people to fake 9/11 truth sites and away from real 9/11 truth sites.

Anyway, when Dylan Avery was just getting started, Phil Jayhan showed up to be his angel and fund the original Loose Change video. Phil made sure that the pod story was in the video. Phil also got psyoperative Tom Flocco to plug the video, along with numerous absurd fake news stories on his site. Young, naive, Dylan Avery was set up to be handled and discredited by association. This is classic disinformation psyops at work. Now Phil Jayhan is on tour making a fake 9/11 truth movie with Greg Syzmanski. After it is distributed, critics can point to Greg's numerous writings about little gray aliens and tall white aliens to make 9/11 truth advocates look insane.

So eventually Dylan Avery figured out the deal and got smart. He cut the pod story and the other disinfo plants out of LC2 without letting his handler find out in advance. Phil Jayhan's team was caught wrong footed. Phil Jayhan cound not attack LC2 without being exposed. Thus Phil's new project with Greg Syzmanski to try to wed 9/11 truth to UFO nuts in the public mind.

Despite the big time propaganda push from the cable channels and Hollywood to push the Flight 93 myth, truth is breaking out. Now the Miami Herald has joined the Deseret News on reporting on www.st911.org
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/ne ... 760721.htm

This is big. Academics and journalists outside the tightly controlled Ivy League and major media empires are breaking ranks. Unfortunately, the obvious move for the criminal US regime is another terror attack followed by martial law.

[hotsacks]

Thanks Microhydro for pointing a path through the snake pit.
I have a like feeling that scrutiny is going to intensify.I believe the Boston Globe carried a column this week urging people to question events.

[Free]

Yes thanks Microhydry for this very revealing background info.

Regardless if it is indeed planned psyop and disinfo-campaign, or, (applying Ockhams razor), just some nutcases joining in or profiteers who want to make a quick buck with sensationalism, it's sad that they discredit serious investigation into this matter, and it must not be allowed to happen.

I also would point out that it is not without precedence that various factions of "conspiracy theorists" fight bitterly against each other, just look at the various JFK stories, were everybody will tell you that the other one is a planted CIA-disinfo-agent...

It's great that finally the scientific community is looking into this, because they can not easily be discredited and also have experience with keeping track on research due to their profession.
They have the knowledge, the methods, the credibility and the support within their community to produce finally some results which cannot be ignored by the corporate media anymore...

[MicroHydro]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'I') also would point out that it is not without precedence that various factions of "conspiracy theorists" fight bitterly against each other, just look at the various JFK stories, were everybody will tell you that the other one is a planted CIA-disinfo-agent...

[UIUCstudent01]

The 2nd Edition of Loose Change is pretty hard to find some very easily disprovable nuggets.

I give it an A+

Brings up some valid questions about the government just hiding pretty much anything and everything about 9/11... (what cameras saw, flight recorders, cell phone calls, etc..)

Not only that, the hijackers were found to be alive!

This is very hard to disprove because it uses sources such as CNN, FOX News, MSNBC, Chicago Tribune, The Telegraph, BBC, and whatever else..

Someone needs to ask Bush or the press secretary about an update to the 9/11 story - because it has some large gaping holes. (Specifically, the hijackers.)

I really try to give the government and military the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't attack their own citizens... It just seems unreasonable not to - there's got to be someone who wants to leak this...

There has to be someone within who can just say - yes, we did this. Someone, somewhere. That's one of the reasons I still can't quite fully support any sort of malicious 9/11 conspiracy...

Call me naive.

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'T')he style of the movie is great and very catchy, and of course many of the questions they ask are valid.
But if I remember right they also have this weird "pod-plane" and "hologram" theory?? If so, than they are hurting the 911 truth movement more than they are helping.

The best source IMHO is the scholars for 911 truth, http://www.st911.org/ ,because there are many engineers, physics Phds etc. contributing who look at it mostly from a strictly scientific/forensic perspective, which is badly needed and the only way to go.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UIUCstudent01', 'T')his is very hard to disprove because it uses sources such as CNN, FOX News, MSNBC, Chicago Tribune, The Telegraph, BBC, and whatever else..

I really try to give the government and military the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't attack their own citizens... It just seems unreasonable not to - there's got to be someone who wants to leak this...

There has to be someone within who can just say - yes, we did this. Someone, somewhere. That's one of the reasons I still can't quite fully support any sort of malicious 9/11 conspiracy...