[The_Virginian]

P Mule:

"At what point in society have we as Americans decided that more is accomplished by incivility and in your face attitude?"

At the point where change cannot be effected any other way.

That is where we find ourselves.

Arresting people for a political t-shirt is not "In your face"?

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', 'P') Mule:

"At what point in society have we as Americans decided that more is accomplished by incivility and in your face attitude?"

At the point where change cannot be effected any other way.

That is where we find ourselves.

Arresting people for a political t-shirt is not "In your face"?

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', 'W')rong.

The House Chaimber is EXACTLY the place to voice concerns.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', 'W')rong.

The House Chaimber is EXACTLY the place to voice concerns.

[tsakach]

Apparently, it was an accidental expression of free speech by Cindy Sheenan - she was warm after climbing several flights of stairs and unzipped her sweatshirt, unaware that this would be interpreted as a violation of the patriot act for "demonstrating inside the capitol". There are no dress codes for guests of the House of Representatives, or specific rules prohibiting the wearing of clothing articles bearing messages.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('David Swanson, After Downing Street', 'H')ERE IS CINDY'S OWN REPORT:

After the PSOTU press conference, I was having second thoughts about going to the SOTU at the Capitol. I didn't feel comfortable going. I knew George Bush would say things that would hurt me and anger me and I knew that I couldn't disrupt the address because Lynn had given me the ticket and I didn't want to be disruptive out of respect for her. I, in fact, had given the ticket to John Bruhns who is in Iraq Veterans Against the War. However, Lynn's office had already called the media and everyone knew I was going to be there so I sucked it up and went.

I had just sat down and I was warm from climbing 3 flights of stairs back up from the bathroom so I unzipped my jacket. I turned to the right to take my left arm out, when the same officer saw my shirt and yelled; "Protester." He then ran over to me, hauled me out of my seat and roughly (with my hands behind my back) shoved me up the stairs. I said something like "I'm going, do you have to be so rough?"

I was never told that I couldn't wear that shirt into the Congress. I was never asked to take it off or zip my jacket back up. If I had been asked to do any of those things...I would have, and written about the suppression of my freedom of speech later. I was immediately, and roughly (I have the bruises and muscle spasms to prove it) hauled off and arrested for "unlawful conduct."

I have some lawyers looking into filing a First Amendment lawsuit against the government for what happened tonight. I will file it. It is time to take our freedoms and our country back.

I don't want to live in a country that prohibits any person, whether he/she has paid the ulitmate price for that country, from wearing, saying, writing, or telephoning any negative statements about the government. That's why I am going to take my freedoms and liberties back. That's why I am not going to let Bushco take anything else away from me...or you.

[Luckystars]

Maybe someone was removed during a Clinton speach for protesting but given the past five years, we have reason for concern.

Fake WMD evidence.

NY Times false reporting on Iraq WMD's that resulted in thousands of deaths in Iraq.

Domestic spying by a president who refuses to obey the law of the land.

Backdoor deals with lobbyists in return for congressional favors.

Indictments and corruption abound.

Ok lets follow the law and arrest George Bush too. My God, we are a nation of laws.

[PrairieMule]

Lucky has a point. I wonder if someone were to unfold a banner during Clinton's 1999 SOTU address. Imagine that banner was a digital photo from an american laser guided bomb hitting a commuter train in Kosovo. Would they have been allowed in, arrested, or worse? Maybe Cindy should seek the families of Mickey Leland or Vince Foster to get validation of how oppressed by the administration she is.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Luckystars', 'M')aybe someone was removed during a Clinton speach for protesting but given the past five years, we have reason for concern.

Fake WMD evidence.

[lsu2001]

Specop wrote: "Too little too lae. I say lock damn near every one of the theiving politicans up myself."

Now that is one sentiment I can definately agree with.
Tim

[Leanan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '�')��We screwed up,” a top Capitol Police official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

He said Sheehan didn't violate any rules or laws.

[gary_malcolm]

She should have just been there for the 'pan and scan' shots when 'The Leader' talked about the Eastern Front, er.... Iraq. Woulda been more effective.


G

[Luckystars]

Too little too lae. I say lock damn near every one of the theiving politicans up myself.


I agree and I hope we all send independants to DC this year and show them who they work for!

[foolcell]

First off she’s a pawn of the “left wing” democrats or maybe the “right wing” who knows I sure as hell can’t tell anymore. It all reminds me of the George Orwell novel 1984, we have to have someone to hate. It keeps everybody on my “side” straight and on task, and by the way I don’t even know what that task is. It’s all double speak ever bit of it, like bush saying no more dependence on foreign oil, who’s foreign? Isn’t everybody a pawn of the corporate elites?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('foolcell', ' ') It’s all double speak ever bit of it, like bush saying no more dependence on foreign oil, who’s foreign?

[Mesuge]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')Evidence which the world believed I might add. Much like your doctor doesnt know whats wrong till he looks inside of you, we didnt know till we got there.

[Leanan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')he should have just been there for the 'pan and scan' shots when 'The Leader' talked about the Eastern Front, er.... Iraq. Woulda been more effective.

[Z]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', 'y')ou have probably some serious problems anyway..

[The_Virginian]

Spook-Op Hoja Like these apples?

"WASHINGTON - Capitol Police dropped a charge of unlawful conduct against anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan on Wednesday and apologized for ejecting her and a congressman's wife from
President Bush's State of the Union address for wearing T-shirts with war messages.

"The officers made a good faith, but mistaken effort to enforce an old unwritten interpretation of the prohibitions about demonstrating in the Capitol," Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer said in a statement late Wednesday."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_ ... on_sheehan

Copyright © 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
Copyright © 2006 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.


So a congress-mans WIFE as well? Also, there seems to be NO LAW against wearing a politicaly sloganed T-shirt.

HA! Only public outcry forced them actualy UPHOLD THE LAW when there is no law against, a tiny bit of freedom vs. facisim.

[The_Virginian]

Yo Slop-ops007,

SHE WAS ARRESTED FOR HER SHIRT.

AND RELEASED because it was all HOGWASH, including your undertsanding of the "law" against political shirts.

ONLY public outcry allowed for the the correct (tho delayed) exercise of the law, not some "Recent years" policy:

"WASHINGTON - Capitol Police dropped a charge of unlawful conduct against anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan on Wednesday and apologized for ejecting her and a congressman's wife from
President Bush's State of the Union address for wearing T-shirts with war messages.


"The officers made a good faith, but mistaken effort to enforce an old unwritten interpretation of the prohibitions about demonstrating in the Capitol," Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer said in a statement late Wednesday."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_ ... on_sheehan
Copyright © 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved

Copyright © 2006 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.

[Luckystars]

The funny thing is only Sheehan was arrested, the Congress wife was just asked to leave. She said she wore the same sweatshirt last year for the SOTU and had no problem, and she would wear it again.

Beware of Peacenicks they are dangerous!