[Carrie]

More evidence that things are falling apart at the seams in this country...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')rimary care -- the basic medical care that people get when they visit their doctors for routine physicals and minor problems -- could fall apart in the United States without immediate reforms, the American College of Physicians said on Monday.

"Primary care is on the verge of collapse," said the organization, a professional group which certifies internists, in a statement. "Very few young physicians are going into primary care and those already in practice are under such stress that they are looking for an exit strategy."

[PenultimateManStanding]

I know what I'm gonna do: not get sick.

[Ludi]

I can't afford it anymore anyway...

[holmes]

just a matter of time. universal health care? This is only the begginning. thats what u get when breeding is made easier and successful through artificle means. Its called overshoot. NOONE and NOTHING is safe or sustainable or lasting when u concieve on every fucking penetration act. use the disciplined withdrawal method if u cannot stand the condoms. Buncha apes. actually that statement is a disrespect to the great lowland and highland gorillas. they are far more conservative and disciplined than the "advanced" humans.
ROFLMMFAS! right!
U see the worthless , stupid and weak and greedy and lazy are ruining it all. nothing lasts when u have mentallly detached from reality operating on profits and greed. they dont give a shit just give it to anybody and anyone. bring in the profits!

and hey this is a concept: Why dont idiots take care of themselves and stop eating shit and injecting poision? Just a thought. oh wait i forgot we need programs to help people out and to raise them.
let the fuctards die for christ sakes!
Keep the canibals alive as they continue to eat the body. Really weird. Let it all crash. keep the strong paying as the weak increase exponentially? Is that a recipe for success? LOL. only if your making profits off it!
Titanic 101.
peace.
and also if your a pig and killing yourself. U pay 100%. no programs that help u get healthy. Nothing. No taxes taken for any "health" care. Nothing.
Nothing.
Zilch.
Zero. That mean
N O T H I N G!
u ingest death. die. period.
I know in this queer liberal weirdo world that is a hard thing to even comprehend let alone understand.
Its called its all on your shoulders.
your responsibility.
comprende?

[Specop_007]

I'm thankful every day for my benefits package at work. Granted, I still pay a pretty petty out of pocket for the health insurnace, but I've got some damned good benefits all across the board (health, life, dental, vision, 401k with match, employee stock purchase at a discount)

[holmes]

and also screw the boomers. They have consumed the most resources of any generation in history. we will have to clean up there party mess.
But there is no way to clean up. irreparable damage!
They have had enough yet keep getting more. I pay 400+ bucks a month for their SS. I pay 600 bucks a month in fed taxes. medicare is another theft. I will not see a penny of SS. Basically I am investing my money for assholes I do not like and have zero sustainable ethics. I could give a rats as about the "boomers". the only boom I want to hear is after all of them are rounded up and the bomb is dropped on them. fkem. Yep freedom?
freedom? LOL.

[holmes]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I')'m thankful every day for my benefits package at work. Granted, I still pay a pretty petty out of pocket for the health insurnace, but I've got some damned good benefits all across the board (health, life, dental, vision, 401k with match, employee stock purchase at a discount)

[PenultimateManStanding]

screw the boomers!? I'm a boomer and I'll never get that cushy retirement because it's 15-20 years away, by which time all the social schemes that they put up in the 1930s so my parents generation could play golf and bridge and the blue-hairs can sip bloody marys will have collapsed. The Greatest Generation is laughing up their sleaves. They remember, sure they do: "Don't trust anyone over 30!" They hated the long hair and hippies just as much as you do holmes if not more. And they hated the music and youth culture in general. Well now they got the cushy retirements and their rebellious kids never will. The "Greatest Generation" is going to laugh all the way down into the grave, leaving the boomers to eat shit. The boomers didn't start the oil era. The boomers didn't invent the automobile. The boomers didn't rip out the street cars and local rail. Don't blame the boomers, kid.

[holmes]

sigh damn u PMS! the voice of reason again.
Who the hell can I blame?
where can i expel my youthful rage?
I am taking responsibility for my actions.
who else is?
Where is all this cash going for petes sake?
Im wrong then.
So the whole GGen is just another scam?
there truly is nothing to believe in or look up to. very sad.
the warriors were really not warriors im starting to realize.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Here's the little secret, just between you and me, holmes: it doesn't matter what generation you happen to be a part of. That isn't the real dividing line. The real dividing line is between those who "consume" for their fulfillment and those who see through that nonsense. We all consume to a certain unavoidable extent, but that is not the same as buying stuff and more stuff to get the satisfaction of buying stuff only to become bored and have to buy new stuff for reasons of status and ego-satisfaction. It's an age-old difference, too. The ancient Greek philosophers put it like this: do you eat to live, or live to eat? Really has nothing to do with any generational differences.

[holmes]

I just dont want to invest in the unsustainable. Im having a hard time giving the 12000 dollars each year to unsustainable assholes. I could invest that 12000 dollars each year to sustainable and my own investments. Thats 12000 dollars a year these vile cretins are gettingfrom me. I say about 5 thousand maybe is going to decent things. The rest? christ if i saved about 7 k each year of it for 5 years i could have 35 thousand and buy some land and build a sustainable earth ship.
Buy a windmill and solar panels. i work for 5 years I lose 35+ k. sicko.
The sad part about this whole thing is the lossof compassion for fellow humans. Hey thats the way it is. steal my cash and give it to the elites and poor, dont expect an ounce of respect. thats what hppens. ivory towers and lazy poor crooks.
its all about working and spending all your money on taxes and rent.
instead i have to work for more and more years so a katrina asshole can live in the lap of luxury and complain about not gettin more. get the f outa the floodplain losers!
100% disgusting. and that is not freedom! its about working for as short as possible and investing and saving. Im investing my money into shit i want no part of.
and the next time i hear a family whinning about how tuff it is and then find out they have multiple kids I am going to scream. You made your bed now rot in it. not my problem u repproduced before u used the brain. I should not have to pay for anyone period!

[Daculling]

No personal refection on you PMS but most of my generation (30 something) are really upset by the almost gleeful continuance of the consumption cult that is the boomers. Publicly they will they and others will be optimistic about the solvency of SS but every 30 year old that asks his father will be told the truth in private. They will be the last generation to get the SS ride. Why are we so upset? Let me give you an example. A commercial that is currently running in the states....

"Do you think that the generation that gave you this" (Flash shots of hippy parties and protests) "Is going out like this" (Flash shot of empty rocking chair on porch) "No way" (Flash shots of old people flying in planes, playing golf and generally consuming the future of their children).

Now I know it's just a commercial trying to sell financial services to boomers but somehow I really believe this is how they want it to play out, fuck the generations behind them despite knowing what will eventually happen. I think thought we as peakers know that this house will fall long before the boomers die a natural death, that being said.... I'd rather be 30 being taxed than 60 on the gravy train.

PMS: I hope SS is an afterthought in your plan for your later years.
Holms: Relax man, worry about what you can change. Forget the rest.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Dac, I'll be glad if I can keep working. I'm generally low on the optimism scale when it comes to how the oil depletion scenario is going to play out. If society remains intact at all, it'll be better than I expected. Sometimes I try to be optimistic, but it doesn't last. I don't expect the boomers to have an easy retirement, as I said. I think the WWII generation will be the last to enjoy decent retirement conditions, not the boomers, who are up the creek along with you guys following behind. We'll be way past the peak in 15 years, IMO. We'll have to wait and see. But everything looks headed for a fall to me. And as I said to holmes, I don't think the boomers are any more or any less consumeristic and materialistic than any other generation, before or after them. It's a disease of the culture, not to be pinned on any generation. But how to you quantify a subjective judgement like this? (and btw, relaxin' on the porch aint so bad, I'd go for that)

[frankthetank]

We import physicians from China and India...

Problem solved!

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'W')e import physicians from China and India...

Problem solved!

[Falconoffury]

It's wrong that tax payers have to pay for people who have children and don't have jobs. I want to pay people who don't have children. I say, people want welfare, cut their balls or ovaries off and do the same with the kids. Don't give any tax benefits to large families. Put a tax burden on large families. Their big families are burdening the rest of society.

[PenultimateManStanding]

I hope you don't mind, Carrie, that we're posting on the boomer/social security issue in this thread about medical care. It's a related issue, I think. On the point about the boomers being such wasteful conspicuous consumers, they no doubt are the biggest consuming generation ever to live, but I wouldn't attribute that to any extraordinary selfishness on their part. It's because this just happens to be the era of the peak in energy consumption. We just happened to be the ones in the right place at the right time. The world is consuming 84mbpd right when the boomers are at their peak earning power.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'I')t's wrong that tax payers have to pay for people who have children and don't have jobs. I want to pay people who don't have children. I say, people want welfare, cut their balls or ovaries off and do the same with the kids. Don't give any tax benefits to large families. Put a tax burden on large families. Their big families are burdening the rest of society.

[Falconoffury]

The future of the world would be better if people at most replaced population, not grew it. Big families are going to make a shitty future for everyone. It would be a blessing if the population could fall due to falling births. Falling births is the least painful way to shrink a population.

[Carrie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') hope you don't mind, Carrie, that we're posting on the boomer/social security issue in this thread about medical care. It's a related issue, I think. On the point about the boomers being such wasteful conspicuous consumers, they no doubt are the biggest consuming generation ever to live, but I wouldn't attribute that to any extraordinary selfishness on their part. It's because this just happens to be the era of the peak in energy consumption. We just happened to be the ones in the right place at the right time. The world is consuming 84mbpd right when the boomers are at their peak earning power.