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Can The US Live On 8m b/d?

Unread postby duke3522 » Sat 28 Jan 2006, 20:21:49

Hey Out There,

Here in the US we produce a little less than 8m b/d. What would happen if the US suddenly had to get by on only dommeticly produced oil?

8m b/d would be about a third of current consumption. It would be a pretty interesting time i which to live.

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Re: Can The US Live On 8m b/d?

Unread postby Daryl » Sat 28 Jan 2006, 20:41:39

Well, for one, people would lose alot of weight pushing their cars to work and jumping up and down inside their homes to stay warm.
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Re: Can The US Live On 8m b/d?

Unread postby coyote » Sun 29 Jan 2006, 01:26:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('duke3522', 'H')ey Out There,

Here in the US we produce a little less than 8m b/d. What would happen if the US suddenly had to get by on only dommeticly produced oil?

8m b/d would be about a third of current consumption. It would be a pretty interesting time i which to live.

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Hi duke. Unfortunately we don't produce that much oil any more. According to the EIA, we're actually not doing much better than 5 1/2 mbd. I made the same mistake...

http://www.peakoil.com/post244764.html#244764

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EIA

8 mbd sounds almost halfway decent. 5 1/2 mbd, and declining all the time, doesn't sound so hot. We'll need switchgrass ethanol production and powerdown, both in the extreme. We'll see.
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Re: Can The US Live On 8m b/d?

Unread postby justgas » Sun 29 Jan 2006, 10:44:29

I went to eia.doe.gov and to see the actual numbers. Yes the site reports that the average field production of crude oil in 2005 was 5.1 million barrels per day. (range 5.5 to 4.2) But it also reports that Field Production, Natural Gas Plant Liquids was 1.7 mbpd for a total field production of 6.8 mbpd of stuff that will burn. Same excel spreadsheet shows that we imported 10.1 mbpd of crude, 3.5 mbpd of products plus an adjustment figure of .6 gives total average supply of pretroleum products in USA in 2005 of 21.0 million barrels per day. So we are extracting 32.6% of what we use not 40%. Or to live on what we have, we need to reduce consumption by 70%.

When someone talks about cutting our consumption in half to match European consumption it almost sounds possible. 70% reduction sounds much less possible.
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Re: Can The US Live On 8m b/d?

Unread postby duke3522 » Sun 29 Jan 2006, 13:02:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('duke3522', 'H')ey Out There,

Here in the US we produce a little less than 8m b/d. What would happen if the US suddenly had to get by on only dommeticly produced oil?

8m b/d would be about a third of current consumption. It would be a pretty interesting time i which to live.

Duke of Indiana

Hi duke. Unfortunately we don't produce that much oil any more. According to the EIA, we're actually not doing much better than 5 1/2 mbd. I made the same mistake...

http://www.peakoil.com/post244764.html#244764



and

EIA

8 mbd sounds almost halfway decent. 5 1/2 mbd, and declining all the time, doesn't sound so hot. We'll need switchgrass ethanol production and powerdown, both in the extreme. We'll see.



Hey Guys thanks for the update.

The reasons for the oil wars become even more apparent. 5.6m b/d and soon to be even less? Kind of puts a hole in the logic that if only oil prices get high enough a new generation of wildcatters will get out there and find all the oil we need.

This also leaves no doubt that we will soon put an end to any Iranian nuclear program by seizing their oil fields.

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Re: Can The US Live On 8m b/d?

Unread postby mekrob » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 17:04:30

Are all of Iranian (or most anyway) oil fields in the West? I'd assume so since most other ME oil is right about that same region. Even if most are in the West, seizing them would still require huge amounts of soldiers to secure them for indefinately. Too costly IMO, but I wouldn't put it past Bush or the WH.
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Re: Can The US Live On 8m b/d?

Unread postby backstop » Mon 13 Feb 2006, 20:29:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('justgas', 'I') went to eia.doe.gov and to see the actual numbers. Yes the site reports that the average field production of crude oil in 2005 was 5.1 million barrels per day. (range 5.5 to 4.2) But it also reports that Field Production, Natural Gas Plant Liquids was 1.7 mbpd for a total field production of 6.8 mbpd of stuff that will burn. Same excel spreadsheet shows that we imported 10.1 mbpd of crude, 3.5 mbpd of products plus an adjustment figure of .6 gives total average supply of pretroleum products in USA in 2005 of 21.0 million barrels per day. So we are extracting 32.6% of what we use not 40%. Or to live on what we have, we need to reduce consumption by 70%.

When someone talks about cutting our consumption in half to match European consumption it almost sounds possible. 70% reduction sounds much less possible.


Justgas -

Writing from the UK I can tell you straight that we could fairly easily get by on 60% of our present oil consumption -
a major transformation yes, but no collapse - just the end of gridlock.
Dear God, people still go polluting for fun here on boats, jet skis, bikes, cars, trucks, microlights, planes and even jets !

Our 60% would equal per capita your 30% give or take - and I doubt you'd necessarily have much more difficulty on that ration -
the suburbs, that so many see as insurmountable, could well be served by 15-seater mini-buses to hybrid-coach hubs,
thus shifting those commuters whose jobs survive the dollar's crash and who haven't yet joined new businesses within their communities,
and doing so for perhaps 1/10th of present commuter-fuel demand.

Heating oil is another matter, and should do wonders for world wool prices as a huge extant supply of very fine insulation material. Makes excellent longjohns too . . . .

regards,

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P.S. I've just spotted the word "suddenly" in the first post of this thread.
While the prognosis above is reasonable as the outcome for a steady voluntary reduction,
any suddenly imposed cut of that scale would clearly be utterly chaotic.

The rate of decline is pivotal.
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(from "A Sand County Almanac" by Aldo Leopold, 1948.
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