[crow]

Good credentials. I like the fact that he owns or leads his compnay (CEO), that makes him independant of an employer (or 'hand that directly feeds him).

What he says makes sense to me. Trouble is, even if this was the undisputable truth, flashing in the eyes of everyone, most would just ignore it. Who cares if we obtained our comfort on the backs of conkeys; we've got it good, the hell with them all.

In the last 10 years I've learned just how much humanity disgusts me. If anything I am not convinced of peakoil or overpopulation, but if true I believe it is precisely what humans deserve.

[SinisterBlueCat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crow', 'G')ood credentials. I like the fact that he owns or leads his compnay (CEO), that makes him independant of an employer (or 'hand that directly feeds him).

What he says makes sense to me. Trouble is, even if this was the undisputable truth, flashing in the eyes of everyone, most would just ignore it. Who cares if we obtained our comfort on the backs of conkeys; we've got it good, the hell with them all.

In the last 10 years I've learned just how much humanity disgusts me. If anything I am not convinced of peakoil or overpopulation, but if true I believe it is precisely what humans deserve.

[threadbear]

Go easy on humanity, guys. Most people have been living in a media created false construct, purposely designed to give them the illusion that they are free. And, indeed, in their day to day life, they're not seeing their own freedoms infringed upon, directly. They simply can't get their heads around the idea that anything has really changed all that much.

Here's a good example. It's obvious that sidestepping the judiciary to wiretap was done because those being wiretapped were the opposition, likely congressmen, perhaps even media personalities themselves. Bush and company were on fishing expeditions to find info they could use to blackmail the opposition into silence. This is so abundantly clear, it's so in your face. But the mainstream media has not even proposed it as a hypothesis, likely or unlikely.

It's so preposterous and audacious, blowing up your own financial center and then wiretapping anyone who might be on to you, in a postion of trust and authority? Unbelievable! Like Hitler said, people are much more willing to accept a small lie than a big one. It really is no wonder that people have difficulty with this. To people who have grown up in the dark, as to what their govt is doing overseas and in the mists about what they're up to domestically, it's just all too much. And the mind becomes less plastic with age, so it's not even a question of wisdom, it's what people are able to do from a physical brain standpoint. Pretty easy to blow something off that is for one, emotionally difficult AND difficult to deal with, mentally.

I think you almost have to be properly wired or rewired to be able to process this information properly.

[leyman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'G')o easy on humanity, guys. Most people have been living in a media created false construct, purposely designed to give them the illusion that they are free. And, indeed, in their day to day life, they're not seeing their own freedoms infringed upon, directly. They simply can't get their heads around the idea that anything has really changed all that much.

Here's a good example. It's obvious that sidestepping the judiciary to wiretap was done because those being wiretapped were the opposition, likely congressmen, perhaps even media personalities themselves. Bush and company were on fishing expeditions to find info they could use to blackmail the opposition into silence. This is so abundantly clear, it's so in your face. But the mainstream media has not even proposed it as a hypothesis, likely or unlikely.

It's so preposterous and audacious, blowing up your own financial center and then wiretapping anyone who might be on to you, in a postion of trust and authority? Unbelievable! Like Hitler said, people are much more willing to accept a small lie than a big one. It really is no wonder that people have difficulty with this. To people who have grown up in the dark, as to what their govt is doing overseas and in the mists about what they're up to domestically, it's just all too much. And the mind becomes less plastic with age, so it's not even a question of wisdom, it's what people are able to do from a physical brain standpoint. Pretty easy to blow something off that is for one, emotionally difficult AND difficult to deal with, mentally.

I think you almost have to be properly wired or rewired to be able to process this information properly.

[Carlhole]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/089281 ... e&n=283155

52 of 57 people found the following review helpful:
Shamanic techniques to transform the world, March 16, 2003
Reviewer: Lleu Christopher (Hudson Valley, NY) - See all my reviews
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John Perkins has studied with shamans from around the world, leads workshops on shapeshifting and shamanism and has written several books. His approach is to use ancient shapeshifting techniques as a tool for societal as well as personal transformation....offer many practical exercises for learning shapeshifting techniques. Of course, this is a difficult and lifelong process and not something you can learn from simply reading a book about it. Traditional shamans are raised with a magical and holistic worldview that is very different from our modern technological, materialistic one. Shapeshifting is, however, an excellent introduction to this path and may motivate you to delve deeper into the subject. Shapeshifting is usually thought of in terms of transforming the physical body; shamans can supposedly (I believe it, but I realize many don't) literally shapeshift into plants, animals or spheres of pure energy (the latter is described in the book). As fascinating as this prospect is, the possibility that social institutions can shapeshift may be even more important. It has become almost a platitude to say that our present political and economic system is seriously damaging the environment. As tired as we may be of hearing this, and as much as we'd like to believe that it's all hyperbole, it seems hard to deny at this point. In addition to teaching shamanic techniques, John Perkins' Dream Change Coaltion works to preserve the rainforests and influence the thinking of large corporations. Projects of this kind are crucial today.

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Anything is Possible, March 1, 2001
Reviewer: Cynthia Sue Larson "www.realityshifters.com" (San Francisco bay area, CA USA) - See all my reviews
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SHAPESHIFTING is a real gem! Author John Perkins takes us with him on an amazing journey to comprehend the methods used by shamen around the world to vanish and reappear, transform into plants and animals, heal seemingly inoperable medical conditions, and travel through space and time. He tells fascinating stories of how he overcame his initial skepticism and doubt to became one with a chair, transform herbs into a newspaper, and travel through time and space as a blue ball of light. Perkins describes a method for discerning between creating something of lasting value (dream), and creating something of transitory relevance (fantasy). SHAPESHIFTING also details a powerful technique for taking a dream that you wish to manifest, focusing on it with your mind and heart, energizing it, and releasing it. Perkins explains that with energy, belief, and intent... anything is possible.

[UIUCstudent01]

I haven't even looked at the actual books written by him above, but I've got a theory that they might be something other than the reviews saw they are. (There might a hidden meaning behind all the babble?)

Of course, there's also a chance that's a bullshit. But, you know, the-government-did-9/11 people have very pecular histories too, Carlhole. (If the point of your post was to destroy his credentials.)

[threadbear]

Carhole, Perkins isn't the only banker who took a keen interest in shamanism. Scroll down to the 10th paragraph, if you don't want to read the whole link.

When western observers began participating in shamanic sessions involving hallucinogenic plants, they found, to their astonishment, that they could have experiences similar to those described by shamans. One report in particular gained widespread attention. In Mexico, American banker Gordon Wasson ate psilocybin mushrooms in a session conducted by Mazatec shaman Maria Sabina. In a long article in Life magazine in 1957, he described flying out of his body. Up to this point, most accounts of shamanism had appeared in obscure academic journals. But hundreds of thousands of people read Wasson's account, and many followed his example, ultimately causing serious trouble for Maria Sabina.

http://www.gracecathedral.org/enrichmen ... 0627.shtml

LEYMAN--Welcome back! And thanks for the vote of confidence. I've heard of the book, Friendly Fascism, but had no idea it was written so long ago. But I think something has changed. It's become more unfriendly, likely due to the limits of growth. I liked the friendly US.fascism that used to invite Canada over for coffee. I even liked it when it "suggested" how we have our coffee. But now it's getting rude and I'd hate to tell you how it wants us to take our coffee. With friends like that, who needs enemas.