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jerome corsi

Unread postby seldom_seen » Tue 24 Jan 2006, 06:38:05

I'm convinced that this guy is some sort of paid propagandist for TPTB to spread FUD.

He had a brief segment at the beginning of coasttocoast am tonight.
In a nutshell he said:

a terrorist nuclear attack is imminent (fear)
peak oil is a complete myth (denial)
the canadian oil sands have trillions of barrels of oil (disinformation)

They treated the oil sands as if they were "just discovered!" Like a new find. They both got all excited about it and talked about how we'll have oil for hundreds of years.

It was weird.
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Re: jerome corsi

Unread postby shakespear1 » Tue 24 Jan 2006, 07:15:04

Every one is looking for some kind of JOB. I guess this is theirs, spread BS.

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Re: jerome corsi

Unread postby Hiderow » Tue 24 Jan 2006, 11:08:35

I think your correct.

In his debate he said to Ruppert that the Tiger oilfields in vietnam were 6-8 miles deep, in an article of Corsi's (Before the debate) he clearly states the field is 5000 Metres deep.

That is pure disino :(
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Re: jerome corsi

Unread postby Eli » Tue 24 Jan 2006, 11:28:17

Ya think, hell most of you guys would say I am staunch conservative Republican (I am more of an Independent) but that is exactly what Corsi is he is a conservative shill. He co authored that swift boat book that help John Kerry loose the presidency.


I find the 60min story and all this new talk about the tar sands interesting, it is becoming clear that the tar sands are going to be portrayed as the US's salvation. The fact that there is no way that it will support continued growth and the transportation system as it now stands seems to be getting lost.
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Re: jerome corsi

Unread postby dub_scratch » Tue 24 Jan 2006, 11:59:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '
')They treated the oil sands as if they were "just discovered!" Like a new find. They both got all excited about it and talked about how we'll have oil for hundreds of years.

It was weird.


Hey, wait a minute. If oil is abiotic in origin and therefore renewable and/or accessible by drilling deeper, then why do we need the oil sands? Oil sands are of the anciant oil (the oil stuff) where Corsi has been promoting the idea that we should be getting to the new stuff being made right now. Corsi should be poo-pooing oil sands as a diversion of oil investments into something that is needlessly expensive. Isn't it part of the Big Oil conspiracy to conceal the true origin of oil in order to artificially pump up the price and costs of oil? Oil sands would have to be part of that conspiracy, right? Mr Corsi seems confused.

I think the truth is that cornucopian right-wingers are also not so sure about the promise of continued traffic jam nation. So they are forced to get behind every weak argument in order to preserve the delusion for as long as possible.
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Re: jerome corsi

Unread postby elroy » Tue 24 Jan 2006, 12:22:32

What the heck does FUD mean ?
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Re: jerome corsi

Unread postby clueless » Tue 24 Jan 2006, 13:06:46

Jerome Corsi is a very dangerous man.

Did anybody else know Jerome Crorsi is also involved with a group called the Iran Freedom Foundation (http://www.iranfreedomfoundation.org/) and according to Devy Kidd (http://newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd154.htm), Sam Browback just slld 3 million dollars in funding to support causes that are advocting a "free" Iran ? I cannot help but wonder if any of that money will make its way into Corsi's pockets..

And the timing of this book is highly suspect just when the Bush administration is making waves about taking a "hostile" regime down.

Does anyone smell shenanigans ?
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Re: jerome corsi

Unread postby seldom_seen » Tue 24 Jan 2006, 14:47:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('elroy', 'W')hat the heck does FUD mean ?

FUD = Fear Uncertainty & Doubt
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Re: jerome corsi

Unread postby MattSavinar » Tue 24 Jan 2006, 15:36:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'I')'m convinced that this guy is some sort of paid propagandist for TPTB to spread FUD.

He had a brief segment at the beginning of coasttocoast am tonight.
In a nutshell he said:

a terrorist nuclear attack is imminent (fear)
peak oil is a complete myth (denial)
the canadian oil sands have trillions of barrels of oil (disinformation)

They treated the oil sands as if they were "just discovered!" Like a new find. They both got all excited about it and talked about how we'll have oil for hundreds of years.

It was weird.


Seldom Seen,

I totally agree: there was something unusual about it (unusual by even C2C standards).

I heard the show and it was such obvious dis-information. There are all sorts of ways to "debunk Peak Oil" that would be much more grounded in reality (although not necessarily accurate or realistic) than jumping up and down and saying "we just found 100 years worth of oil in Canada!!!" like it's a new discovery or something.

There has been a lot of "weird" stuff surrounding Corsi's appearances on C2C. By weird, I don't mean the usual stuff. But I can't quite put my finger on what is going on.

If I was trying to "debunk Peak Oil", I'd stick with the chimpy-optimist in cheif Amory Lovins. The techno-fantasy stuff really gets people's juices flowing.

C2C has really been pushing the "we need to go to war with Iran" bit. George spent 20 minutes a few shows back trying to get Alex Jones to say we need to invade Iran, but Alex wouldn't bite. (I don't think Alex spotted what was going on, he's not too good with subtlety)

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Re: jerome corsi

Unread postby DesertBear2 » Tue 24 Jan 2006, 21:08:50

Corsi has not presented any facts. Only a bunch of squishy theories.

If the earth was generating all this abiotic oil, we would see oil seeps just about everywhere. The great oceans would be one big oil slick. Every earthquake would liberate abiotic oil.

And it's ridiculous to think that the oil industry would abandon old fields if they knew that the reservoirs were automatically refilliing. Why go to the massive expense of exploring and drilling up new territory? The first few fields that were drilled would still be flowing freely. No new fields would have to be drilled and oil would still be priced at $0.20/bbl like in the Great Depression.

And the depths that he is projecting all this oil concentration at are depths that are very expensive to explore. How convenient for abiotic oil theorists! I have drilled down to 25,000 feet into prime reservoir rock. We got a lot of production- of poison hydrogen sulfide gas!

It is just ridiculous to think that the US oil majors support abiotic oil theories and are conspiring to hide the real facts from the public. There are enough disparate petroleum geologists and various state-run oil companies that the so-called truth of abiotic oil would have emerged long ago.

The losers of WW2 ie Japan and Germany would have figured this out as they floundered in the oil-starved death throes of national destruction. German ingenuity in the pressures of WW2 had few limits and they would surely have caught on to abiotic oil reservoirs(that supposedly exist everywhere according to Corsi).

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Re: jerome corsi

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 24 Jan 2006, 23:28:33

corsi said, " There's 100 years worth of oil in canada, and we are more likely to have flying cars before we run out of oil "

They better be able to extract 20 mbpd by 2008 from those tar sands. lol
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Re: jerome corsi

Unread postby backstop » Wed 25 Jan 2006, 11:27:19

Matt -

you said there was something odd about Corsi's performance -

and it sounds as if he (the status quo rep) was shrill while Ruppert (the dissenters' rep) was more measured.

If so then it's the same pattern as we've seen in UK media discussion of the issue.

My guess is that TPTB are finally despairing of keeping a lid of delusion on the issue, and so are throwing any old disinformation at it,
pretty much regardless of its incoherenece.

Apart from the possibility of unforeseen pivotal disclosures being now in the pipeline,
I've seen only two items recently that may have triggered their despair -

the first of course was the Kuwaiti reserves falsification,

and the second was the much ignored report that Iraqi output fell 8% last year.

Given that I saw a long BBC interview with Saddam's Oil minister (ex) who was bitterly critical of the regime
for "forcing" the reserves which "could damage their yields"
I'm left wondering whether we've overlooked yet another possible motivation for the invasion ?

Obscuring the news of Iraqi fields going into decline could only be maintained as long as US troops' presence provokes pipeline sabotage,
and their occupation is now looking increasingly untenable.

This is of course only speculation, but I'd welcome your thoughts on it.

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