[jaydenari]

Hi, all,

I basically agree with you RacerJace -- I'm in the middle, too. I expect SOME of the worst things people have mentioned here will happen, but we also need to remember that in history, other collapses have happened and, after things stabilized, MOST people, for MOST of the time lived peacefully. Those who could adapt (even if they didn't know anything useful to start with) survived; the others didn't.

AmericanEmpire wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')utside the secure wealth zones the law of the time would revert to survival of the fittest. By 2050 survival would not only be a tribal fight for limited resources it would also be survival in the most severe weather humans have ever experienced on planet earth.

[jesus_of_suburbia_old]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ey don't get me wrong Jesus [looks whimsically up and around the room for a potential smiting], I consider myself somewhat a doomer, or more correctly as a realist. I'm stuck in the middle somewhere between getting frustrated by anti-doomer posts at one side and extreme apocalyptic wake tomorrow and we'll all be killing one another for the last packet of muesli bars in the supermarket posts at the other.

[AmericanEmpire]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')mericanEmpire wrote:
Quote:
Outside the secure wealth zones the law of the time would revert to survival of the fittest. By 2050 survival would not only be a tribal fight for limited resources it would also be survival in the most severe weather humans have ever experienced on planet earth.

[RacerJace]

@Jaydenari

That was my quote and I was amused that you agree with me then apply a back hander at my comment on life reverting to a somewhat tribal existence in the 2025 - 2050 timeframe. You seem to have also confused a comparison with 'civilized' sociteties and used it out of context. I was not making a comparison to modern societies war like tendancies.

But since you mention it, if you think seperate tribal societies that are trying to survive in an environment with limited resources are not going to be inclined to try and access resources in another tribes territory then you are being naive. It is in the nature of all creatures that inhabit this planet to do so until they get pushed back by a DEFENDING force. It is one of our most basic survival instincts. There will be occasions where competing tribes find a way to compliment each other with different skills and potentially labour but when it comes down to severe resource shortages (food, water, fuel) I believe will cause society to fragment and disperse until the population can continue to survive on the available resources.

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[elroy]

I've always had the idea I'm probably not going to live past 50, on the other hand I've always thought immortality would kick ass, just for the shear fact of seeing history happen.
I'm probably as helpless as a baby when it comes to survival. And this isn't exactly the best of environments. It's gonna take a miracle, or some help from someone to make it through. I think with some help I could learn the skills to survive. Yet I want more than just to survive, I want to live.

[Liamj]

Watching shows can be nice, and this'll be a biggy, but as the antiglobalista graf says, 'Your spectacle is our adventure'. If anyone is looking for a higher purpose to push on, theres always work on a sustainable human culture.

So.. Start a gaia cult! Make billions (2010 value) in scrap copper! Teach congressmen to ride bikes! A thousand and one hilarious opportunties await us, and if you've ever fancied yourself as smarter than average (which most people do) this gives you the chance see how smart, honest, agreeable and useful you really are.

Any sort of recovery our descendants might make will be greatly aided by them having a working body of knowledge and skills, a good idea of what went wrong this time and what might work in future. I want people 'then' to have at least that much, so i have reason to surf the descent as long as possible, in hope of helping pass on some of those things. Gotta have a hobby.

Have no prob with death or suicide (ignoring context), but theres a huge wedge of emergy already gone into this biped, be a shame to waste it, when theres the puzzle of the epoch right there in front of us.