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The origins of the Great War of 2007

Unread postby Carlhole » Mon 16 Jan 2006, 15:10:54

The origins of the Great War of 2007

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Niall Ferguson', 'A')re we living through the origins of the next world war? Certainly, it is easy to imagine how a future historian might deal with the next phase of events in the Middle East:

With every passing year after the turn of the century, the instability of the Gulf region grew. By the beginning of 2006, nearly all the combustible ingredients for a conflict - far bigger in its scale and scope than the wars of 1991 or 2003 - were in place.

The first underlying cause of the war was the increase in the region's relative importance as a source of petroleum. On the one hand, the rest of the world's oil reserves were being rapidly exhausted. On the other, the breakneck growth of the Asian economies had caused a huge surge in global demand for energy. It is hard to believe today, but for most of the 1990s the price of oil had averaged less than $20 a barrel.

A second precondition of war was demographic. While European fertility had fallen below the natural replacement rate in the 1970s, the decline in the Islamic world had been much slower. By the late 1990s the fertility rate in the eight Muslim countries to the south and east of the European Union was two and half times higher than the European figure.

This tendency was especially pronounced in Iran...


...and a reply to this article by Justin Raimondo, Editor, Antiwar.com


[url=http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8394] World War IV
A realistic scenario[/url]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raimondo', 'E')ven the "Islamist" angle is depicted as if it were a force of nature, some inherent energy that emanates out of the very soil of the Middle East and insinuates itself into the minds of the people, like a poisonous mist. Absent from this analysis is any concept of cause and effect, of Islamic radicalism as a reaction to Western colonialism and interventionism. Certainly the British, in Ferguson's view, are completely blameless, although they ruled the region (excepting Syria) since the fall of the Ottomans up until their own inevitable decline into post-imperial "senescence." One would never know from this little essay how ruthlessly the British army suppressed the Iraqi revolt of 1920, although Ferguson, in an earlier piece – urging us to buck up, old chap, and get tough – clearly realizes what following the British example would have to mean:

"Putting this rebellion down will require severity. In 1920, the British eventually ended the rebellion through a combination of aerial bombardment and punitive village-burning expeditions. It was not pretty. Even Winston Churchill, then the minister responsible for the air force, was shocked by the actions of some trigger-happy pilots and vengeful ground troops. And despite their overwhelming technological superiority, British forces still suffered more than 2,000 dead and wounded."
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Re: The origins of the Great War of 2007

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Mon 16 Jan 2006, 17:59:32

The wheels are slowly grinding towards another war, it doesn't take much to see it if you look hard enough.

The sad thing is, there have been no real lessons learned from previous experiences - There's still a system of (somewhat) opposing alliances (one of the things that set WWI in motion).

There's (sorta) 3 factions - there's the US and its small number of allies, there's Europe which is (FINALLY!) somewhat united now, and Asia (this grouping includes Russia from my standpoint). Europe's sort of a neutral faction, but it's likely to fight with both of the others at some point. Europe distrusts the US faction, so it may side with Asia. Or it may stand against both, in which case it'll get particularly nasty...

Further, the resource spanner in the works is a nasty addition, likely to turn neighbour against neighbour.
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Re: The origins of the Great War of 2007

Unread postby crow » Tue 17 Jan 2006, 09:43:09

When reading on war predictions like these, I have to ask myself a question about those who advance these 'predictions' or 'possibilities' and those who pationately discuss them;

"Are these people rationally expressing a possibility or are they expressing the justification of their personal desire for war."


It's very hard to tell which is which sometimes, and truthfully, its probably a bit of the two.

Personally, I do not believe that an 'all out world war' is an inescapable alternative to the future.

I admit war is always a possibility, and that some armed conflicts will always arise, but think about a world wide conflict in the order of WWII for a second? Try to imagine anyone at all having to gain from this?

I believe it is far more likely that we will see numerous small conflicts like Afganistan and Iraq for the next decade or so rather than one huge war with pre-determined factions. the big fishes are going to be eating the little fish while keeping a very intense stare towards each other.
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Re: The origins of the Great War of 2007

Unread postby Doly » Tue 17 Jan 2006, 09:44:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crow', '
')I admit war is always a possibility, and that some armed conflicts will always arise, but think about a world wide conflict in the order of WWII for a second? Try to imagine anyone at all having to gain from this?


True, but on the other hand: Who gained anything from WWII?
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Re: The origins of the Great War of 2007

Unread postby crow » Tue 17 Jan 2006, 09:47:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crow', '
')I admit war is always a possibility, and that some armed conflicts will always arise, but think about a world wide conflict in the order of WWII for a second? Try to imagine anyone at all having to gain from this?


True, but on the other hand: Who gained anything from WWII?


The Us gained almost everything needed to become a superpower from WWII;

-they had a nation mostly untouched by the destruction and devastation that was WWII, while all other nations where forced to borrow and rebuild

-the US had stability at home, and thus quickly became the international reserve for currency

-the US gained an adversary to justify its military spending, and with its oil production world positioin coming out of WWII they also gained justification to impose themselves on the rest of the owrld for the false pretense of 'national security' and 'democracy' and 'freedom'.


The US gained tremendeously from the aftermath of WWII, especially when compared to the fate of other nations of Europe. How would you say different?
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