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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby Jake_old » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 18:15:50

Ok I don't know much about finland.

But the pdf you just posted really didn't tell me much at all. I KNOW that people who live high up in the himalayas are genetically different to me. Just as I know that someone who lives in an historically drought ridden region, like the Sahara is genetically different to me. Ok so the article didn't mention those groups but I assume

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hese conclusions are based on the old statistical falacy of analysing data on the assumption that it contains no information beyond that revealed on a locus by locus analysis, and then drawing conclusions solely on the results of such an analysis.
(typing by me)

means the same thing. Why are localised group genetic differences a benchmark for deciding who is within a group? The article doesn't explain this, gives no ground for genetic differences being the basis for a non cohesive society.

Although I agree with this

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t is not true that "racial classification is......of virtually no genetic or taxonomic significance."


I see no reason for it being a basis for an uncohesive society. Why do you think it proves so?

A very big gap between rich an poor (Or so perceived) is what causes a breakdown in society. To explain away violent acts because those we see commiting violent acts are different to us, by assuming that those people are different is to miss a bigger picture.

There have been people rioting in streets near me in my lifetime, I'm only 31 and white. The people rioting when I was about 7 were white and poor. There was lots of social unrest in the early 80's in the UK.

I hope you don't label me PC or ridicule my position. I live with people of different races. It hasn't been a problem, really, yet.
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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby Andrew_S » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 18:52:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedJake', 'O')k I don't know much about finland.

But the pdf you just posted really didn't tell me much at all. I KNOW that people who live high up in the himalayas are genetically different to me. Just as I know that someone who lives in an historically drought ridden region, like the Sahara is genetically different to me. Ok so the article didn't mention those groups but I assume

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hese conclusions are based on the old statistical falacy of analysing data on the assumption that it contains no information beyond that revealed on a locus by locus analysis, and then drawing conclusions solely on the results of such an analysis.
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means the same thing. Why are localised group genetic differences a benchmark for deciding who is within a group? The article doesn't explain this, gives no ground for genetic differences being the basis for a non cohesive society.


That paper is about whether human racial differences exist or not. I posted it to counter suggestions that racial differences do not exist, which is Lewontin's fallacy. The paper isn't about social matters like behaviour.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedJake', '
')Although I agree with this

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t is not true that "racial classification is......of virtually no genetic or taxonomic significance."


I see no reason for it being a basis for an uncohesive society. Why do you think it proves so?


Like I said that paper isn't about such matters. I see you agree with it's main conclusion.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedJake', '
')A very big gap between rich an poor (Or so perceived) is what causes a breakdown in society. To explain away violent acts because those we see commiting violent acts are different to us, by assuming that those people are different is to miss a bigger picture.

There have been people rioting in streets near me in my lifetime, I'm only 31 and white. The people rioting when I was about 7 were white and poor. There was lots of social unrest in the early 80's in the UK.

I hope you don't label me PC or ridicule my position. I live with people of different races. It hasn't been a problem, really, yet.


There were some copycat riots in the summer of 1981 after the big riots:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')etween July 3 and 11 of that year, there was more unrest fueled by racial and social discord, in Handsworth, Southall, Toxteth, and Moss Side. There were also smaller pockets of unrest in Leeds, Leicester, Southampton, Halifax, Bedford, Gloucester, Coventry, Bristol, and Edinburgh.


Even in Maidstone, Kent, where I was, some limited rioting occurred. A couple of dozen teenagers (almost certainly all white) smashing windows and damaging cars. It didn't last long though. Where were you?

Major rioting in the UK has, by a long shot, mostly involved an ethnic minority sometimes against whites sometimes against another ethnic minority. Note the South Birmingham riots this year were Blacks versus South Asians. The French and Danish riots of this year were Muslims attacking French and Danish society.

These places are more prone to violent conflict.

Consider that given the present demographic structure of Finland, large scale rioting is extremely unlikely. The Finns will not riot against Finnish society and there are too few foreigners for them to riot on a big scale. Most of the foreigners are white north Europeans from neighbouring countries. The Estonians, Russians and Swedes resident here are not going to riot against Finnish society.
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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby Jake_old » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 19:09:17

I don't think our world view is that different, really.

But what the hell, copy cat riot. We sit on our fat arses, moaning about the weather. See some people getting angry and smashing things up.

Never had a revolution in this country, not like the french :wink:

If it was copy cat, I don't mind.
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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby Andrew_S » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 19:42:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedJake', 'I') don't think our world view is that different, really.

But what the hell, copy cat riot. We sit on our fat arses, moaning about the weather. See some people getting angry and smashing things up.

Never had a revolution in this country, not like the french :wink:

If it was copy cat, I don't mind.


It was a hot summer. Teenagers like their fun. Seeing the large scale riots and the difficulties the police had, some thought it would be fun to do a bit of rioting themselves. I believe the smaller scale stuff was copycat and often involved white teenagers. The main stuff that year was in Brixton (in January) and Toxteth and was mostly Blacks versus police.
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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby Eddie_lomax » Mon 16 Jan 2006, 17:52:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedJake', 'I')'m sorry but I can't help but engage racists


Depends on what you mean by a racist really personally I've got nothing against people for their colour of skin or ethnicity, it certainly does not make them inferior, but I don't consider them British. In the same way that I would not consider myself Pakistani if I moved to Pakistan (I treat others like I treat myself). I'm a nationalist really, and a supporter of freedom of speech, so I tend to like to hear from all sides of a debate without resorting to name calling.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedJake', '
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '3')) A population that has social cohesion (ie one where people share something more than just money in common with each other).


Tell me of a society which has ever had this kind of social cohesion. I mean a modern society, not some tribe in the middle of nowhere.

I'm going to read that Lewontins Falacy but I doubt it will show much more than cultural differences.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f we are to survive peak oil with a sembalence of society we do need to regain this social cohesion, otherwise without it our country will fall apart like a giant version of New Orleans. And if things do actually crash then we will end up with the worst possible leadership, if anything at all.


You are a frightening individual. Many people will agree with you. Hankering after 'the good old days' which never actually existed.

Hope you don't think that was a flame, just 'cause I disagree.


No, not really. But when you say the "good ol days" never existed are you saying that things have never been as good as they are today in the UK ?

If not then things must have been better in the past, I for one do believe that while things were not perfect, they were better before we had the massive waves on immigration. Decades of multiculturalism and ever worse political correctness has robbed todays Britons of a sense of pride I think, and people who have no pride in themselves have no pride in society or care about those around them.

Crime has gotten worse from petty vandalism to violent crime, and thats even with society becoming more guarded (who would leave their front door open today ?).

My father used to live in Brixton way before I was born, which was a respectable middle class area then, now due to the "white flight" its predominately black. Basically the truth is that the white people didn't want to live next door to the black people, and looking at where black people mainly live its obviously vice versa. If you believe otherwise then explain why in so many areas white people have moved out ? Its the same with other ethnic groups, everyone wants to live with their own kind.

Its bad enough with mostly days where few people know their next door neighbour, but with mixed race areas and we are all strangers. Thats fine in these times of easy money and no real problems, but take away the cash and we are left either having to co-operate with each other or compete, and seeing last years events up in Birmingham where for example amoung the victims a mob of black people burned an innocent asian taxi driver to death, and a few car loads of asians stabbed an innocent black guy to death I think the compete option is the one we'll have to live with. I can't really see these same people here helping each other out in times of need ? Ditto really for most mixed communities, maybe I need that pair of rose tinted glasses though...

(for the record, I do believe there are plenty of incidents of most races not getting on with each other in the UK - just to be balanced).

Thats why I really do believe we need try and rebuild the UK as a nation, getting rid of all this multicultural and political correctness nonsense, instead of fracturing ever more with increased immigration. As if peak oil is every bit as bad as we fear it is then we'll need a society where people have something actually in common with their neighbours, when you don't share the same ethnic group things get harder, when you have a different culture its harder, different religion its harder.

I'm not saying everyone has to be the same, but take a look at the Balkans for a nice example of how people of different cultures get along when the economy goes down the pan.
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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby Jake_old » Mon 16 Jan 2006, 18:43:40

Eddie_lomax wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')edJake wrote:
I'm sorry but I can't help but engage racists


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Depends on what you mean by a racist really personally I've got nothing against people for their colour of skin or ethnicity, it certainly does not make them inferior, but I don't consider them British. In the same way that I would not consider myself Pakistani if I moved to Pakistan (I treat others like myself). I'm a nationalist really and into freedom of speech over here so I tend to like to hear from all sides of a debate without resorting to name calling.


I didn't mean that to be insulting, I felt like I was hijacking the thread :lol:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')hen you say the "good ol days" never existed are you saying that things have never been as good as they are today in the UK ?

If not then things must have been better in the past, I for one do believe that while things were not perfect, they were better before we had the massive waves on immigration. Decades of multiculturalism and ever worse political correctness has robbed todays Britons of a sense of pride I think, and people who have no pride in themselves have no pride in society or care about those around them.


I will only say that I don't think things were better (or worse) in the past, I believe its mental attitude. I also think that if the population had increased by the same amount without immigration then we would have the same problems, just with different specific conflicts.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rime has gotten worse from petty vandalism to violent crime, and thats even with society becoming more guarded (who would leave their front door open today ?).

My father used to live in Brixton way before I was born, which was a respectable middle class area then, now due to the "white flight" its predominately black. Basically the truth is that the white people didn't want to live next door to the black people, and looking at where black people mainly live its obviously vice versa. If you believe otherwise then explain why in so many areas white people have moved out ? Its the same with other ethnic groups, everyone wants to live with their own kind.

A family I know do leave their front door open, they live in cornwall where the majority (by far) are of the same race. On the face of it it could be suggested that this is because the similarity of race and culture promotes a sense of trust.

However it must also be noted that they live in an area of low population, are not friends with their neighbours (although they do know their names and say good morning and things), and they have known of people they know being burgled.

I would never leave my door unlocked on purpose, however I have left it unlocked by accident a few times and was not burgled. I was burgled once when the front door was kicked off its hinges while we were away for christmas. I know who did it though (and they were foreign) and the police wouldn't do anything. People of my own race have stolen from me in the past too. the police wouldn't do anything about that either :x

The white flight thing you mention I find interesting and do not know why people of the same race act in this way but I think it is more to do with mobile people going where they feel conditions will improve (that doesn't mean they are right though in fact they are obviously often wrong). All races act in this way, that is interesting too.

I will accept that races of people are different but I do not see that as grounds for social discrimination. I think some people would actually call me a racist, my defence of that is that we must all be racists to a certain extent.

Cheap energy has alowed us to tollerate each other and I worry about what may happen in the future because of this. A big problem is that we are told we should tollerate each other. I suggest that if we are culturally different then we can live and let live, not tollerence but acceptance.
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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby Andrew_S » Mon 16 Jan 2006, 19:41:31

When I saw this thread resurrected I thought it would be about the court case.

Anyway, the Guardian today is shocked:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')NP gets top news listing on Google

Julia Day
Monday January 16, 2006

Google has defended the integrity of its news service after it emerged that reports filed by the British National party are being listed as sources on its website.

As the leader of the British National party, Nick Griffin, appears on charges of inciting racial hatred after being secretly filmed by a BBC documentary team, the BNP's news reports are being listed on Google News alongside those from organisations such as the BBC and Reuters.


Guardian article

These are supporters outside the court. I thought they were supposed to be knuckle-dragging yobs? Look more like the Salvation Army.

Mind you "Defend Christian Values"? Tut, tut terribly politically incorrect.

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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby Novus » Mon 16 Jan 2006, 21:20:56

Being that today is Martin Luther King day in the US I now believe political correctness and multi-culturalism has waxed to its fartherest extent and will now see a decline. For a generation the cultures that make up America basically tollerate each other because times have been for the most part good. In a society where it is every man for himself what difference does race and culture make? When times get tough individuals are going to need something to fall back on and it is not going to be the government. It is going to family first and then racial identity.
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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby Andrew_S » Tue 17 Jan 2006, 13:07:10

For anybody really interested in the trial of Nick Griffin (BNP Chairman) and wanting to read his side of the story here's his blog which started Saturday 14 Jan.

Free speech on trial

The Christian lot in the above picture presumably are from some new organization, the "Christian Council of Britain", which he mentions.
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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby Jake_old » Tue 17 Jan 2006, 17:36:32

Well I can't stand the guy, but I agree with him that this is about free speech and freedom of association. Worrying indeed. :(

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')r King QC then asked him [Gwynne] to confirm he attended a meeting at which I spoke at Halifax and asked if there was an 'overlap' between the people attending. Gwynne replied he would "often see the same people .... a considerable number of people would attend all the meetings."
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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby Eddie_lomax » Tue 17 Jan 2006, 20:26:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedJake', 'E')ddie_lomax wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')edJake wrote:

I will only say that I don't think things were better (or worse) in the past, I believe its mental attitude. I also think that if the population had increased by the same amount without immigration then we would have the same problems, just with different specific conflicts.



I agree as far as immigration isn't the only problem with the country, various loony PC ideals have been tried out with little regard for the consequences.


But without immigration the UK would be much closer to Norway or Denmark in character then the mess it is right now. When I travel through some areas of the UK (like once when I got lost in Derby and entered the Asian area) it does feel like a foriegn country. Most of the area around there is all white, and yet there is one area where you probally won't spot a single white, black, chinese etc person - to me thats a ghetto, and I can't really see how that sort of development can be reversed or how it can be a good thing in the country as its a real "us and them" situation on the borders of it. As an aside I remember at the time one of the suicide bombers that went to Isreal came from that area too.

Without the immigration I guess we'd be complaining about rough areas of Merseyside, London east end and Glasgow. But now those areas look quite appealing to me in comparison to moving into Brixton or Peterborough (well ok not London as everytime I go there I feel like I'm in a foriegn country).

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A family I know do leave their front door open, they live in cornwall where the majority (by far) are of the same race. On the face of it it could be suggested that this is because the similarity of race and culture promotes a sense of trust.

However it must also be noted that they live in an area of low population, are not friends with their neighbours (although they do know their names and say good morning and things), and they have known of people they know being burgled.



I guess low population does help, although we used to have cramped terraces without the rampant crime. That comment though by (Belgian) gay politician who got murdered says it all for me, the algerians don't seem to burgle each other. Yet white people do more often, it does feel like the traditional British communities are very fragmented now, I suppose its the extra money and moving around the country, I guess peak oil solves those two :P

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I would never leave my door unlocked on purpose, however I have left it unlocked by accident a few times and was not burgled. I was burgled once when the front door was kicked off its hinges while we were away for christmas. I know who did it though (and they were foreign) and the police wouldn't do anything. People of my own race have stolen from me in the past too. the police wouldn't do anything about that either :x



Nice for Christmas :( The thing with unlocked doors did strike me when I went to Greece, they may be materially poor, but socially rich in comparison to us. I can only go on what my parents and grandparents tell me about life 1950 and earlier, and from how they describe it things certainly were better socially.

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The white flight thing you mention I find interesting and do not know why people of the same race act in this way but I think it is more to do with mobile people going where they feel conditions will improve (that doesn't mean they are right though in fact they are obviously often wrong). All races act in this way, that is interesting too.



I believe that people do want to be with their own kind, its a nice concept celebrating diversity, but when you think about it diversity means - not like you, which probally means you have little in common. Its nice for a holiday to see different cultures, but living next door to them is a different kettle of fish. Up north it definately has been a clash of cultures (check out the number of burnt out pubs over the years in now Pakistani (moslem) areas), personally if I wanted to live in a Pakistani culture or Indian culture I'd apply for their nationality. As it is I just want to live in a British society, something I cannot enjoy in certain areas of the country now.

I have noticed from the people I meet that there is a big difference between a small scattering of different ethnic people in a population and a large group. Once that large group appears their culture, langauge and customs do then really surface. Small seeds then sprout into areas like Bradford or Peterborough, in no way can those areas be described now as ethnically mixed, so in that case I would say that multiculturalism has failed there.

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I will accept that races of people are different but I do not see that as grounds for social discrimination. I think some people would actually call me a racist, my defence of that is that we must all be racists to a certain extent.



I have trouble with the term racist because I don't really know what it means, I certainly don't have a hatred of people for their skin colour or ethnicity although I don't like certain cultures. I do call myself a nationalist, which to a lot of liberal lefty people is a very selfish person as I believe my country is there for my kind only, just like my home is for my familly only. Liberal lefties would be happy with a open border policy and the more the merrier, even the so called center ground politicians would make no effort to protect British culture or identity as they seem only concerned about making more money.

This open border policy we have now is bad news for the future too, really we have too many indigineous white people in the UK to start with that can be supported with the land we have. I'd personally rather have more resources spread across a few people then turning the UK into a Bangladesh.

Saying that though the people I want to share my country with are people I share a common culture, langauge and ancestry with too - I guess that probally makes me a racist then.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Cheap energy has alowed us to tollerate each other and I worry about what may happen in the future because of this. A big problem is that we are told we should tollerate each other. I suggest that if we are culturally different then we can live and let live, not tollerence but acceptance.

True, that is one of the things I believe is very wrong with this country, we are told to tolerate each other, told not to use certain langauge, wealth is distributed by the state to keep groups happy etc. All of this is a artificial attempt to make a bad system work, if we do have a crash and we do start competing with each other it'll be grim.

I'm not sure if we can achieve acceptance, times are good right now and we already have problems. I myself cannot really see multiple cultures living alongside each other co-operating with each other, as if you really believe your way of life is right then you cannot accept a different way of life as being right too. The narcotic/bribe of easy money does prevent any problems now, we'll find out in a few years though when it wears off if it does all stick together.

Just looking at the graph for the north sea production tells me that this country is in for a bumpy ride, combine that with a lack of industry and rising debt in these prosperous times, and add to that high energy and oil prices with peak oil coming and it'll be a miracle if we just breeze through it all. One thing that does also bother me here is that pension funds seem to be all strapped for cash - doesn't feel like a healthy economy right now either.
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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby Gil-Galad » Wed 18 Jan 2006, 06:38:58

The reason the BNP exists is because no one in the UK can have a sensible discussion about immigration/assylum seekers without all the lefties shouting racist.

This matter should be discussed in a sensible manner. the Uk is overpopulated, just drive on the M25.

Many people, doctors, nurses, etc come into the UK and do worthwhile jobs. However, this is often to the detriment of places like South Africa, Kenya, etc who need these these skilled people, that the countries have paid to train.

I cannot see any benefit to the UK in importing people who can barely read and write, let along speak English. We have enough locals already in the UK who create problems without adding to the situation.
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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby Doly » Wed 18 Jan 2006, 06:47:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gil-Galad', '
')I cannot see any benefit to the UK in importing people who can barely read and write, let along speak English. We have enough locals already in the UK who create problems without adding to the situation.


Believe me, all politicians agree with this. Any immigrant in the condition you describe will be an illegal one, you can be sure of that. In fact, even educated people have trouble to enter legally.

If you have any brilliant idea to stop people from coming into the country illegally, please explain.
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Unread postby Olaf » Wed 18 Jan 2006, 13:41:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clv101', 'I')nteresting is certainly one word for it.


This was a completely predictable development, and we are going to see more of it. The left-wing, environmentalist peak oil doomers are going to wake up to find themselves in bed with right wing fearmongers and authoritarians. The Stanton article in the latest ASPO newsletter, and the BNP glomming onto peak oil are just the same weed sprouting in two places.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') was surprised to see that Nick Griffin made an appearance at the Edinburgh conference back in April. It's interesting that the BNP are the most popular party (polling around 2% where they contest) talking about peak oil. It's also scary since if the collapse is particularly bad the public could lose faith in the current government and look around for an alternative. The BNP could in an instant pop up from nowhere with a peak oil agenda. Desperate people in desperate times could vote in desperate ways.


That's why it is so imperative to stomp on people like Stanton and the BNP before they get a foothold. This is a point where you really can make a difference. Of course, you're not going to get very far if you're preaching an inevitable mass global die-off. That's music to the BNP's ears. It's the justification for why they need to clean house on the liberals and run the country. It's a national emergency.

It reminds me of the incongruity of Jake from peakoil.ie. Here he is at the top of his page:
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A nice, sporty young guy working to build peak oil awareness.

Meanwhile, Jake is publishing this right wing BNP horseshit in the ASPO newsletter:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o those sentimentalists who cannot understand the need to reduce UK population from 60 million to about 2 million over 150 years, and who are outraged at the proposed replacement of human rights by cold logic, I would say “You have had your day, in which your woolly thinking has messed up not just the Western world but the whole planet, which could, if Homo sapiens had been truly intelligent, have supported a small population enjoying a wonderful quality of life almost for ever. You have thrown away that opportunity.”

The Darwinian approach, in this planned population reduction scenario, is to maximise the well-being of the UK as a nation-state. Individual citizens, and aliens, must expect to be seriously inconvenienced by the single-minded drive to reduce population ahead of resource shortage. The consolation is that the alternative, letting Nature take its course, would be so much worse.

The scenario is: Immigration is banned. Unauthorised arrives are treated as criminals. Every woman is entitled to raise one healthy child. No religious or cultural exceptions can be made, but entitlements can be traded. Abortion or infanticide is compulsory if the fetus or baby proves to be handicapped (Darwinian selection weeds out the unfit). When, through old age, accident or disease, an individual becomes more of a burden than a benefit to society, his or her life is humanely ended. Voluntary euthanasia is legal and made easy. Imprisonment is rare, replaced by corporal punishment for lesser offences and painless capital punishment for greater.


Are Jake and Colin Campbell sympathetic to the BNP? I think they are, considering that they're publishing material which might as well have come straight out of the BNP manifesto.

Fascism arises because good people like yourself, Chris, do not stomp on the weeds when they sprout. Don't let the Stantons and the BNPs of the world use you, while you mindlessly cooperate with them cause they're your peak oil buddies.


Wow, JD, I haven't been coming here as much as I used to, but that has got to be one of the most logical and non-inflammatory posts I have ever seen you write. Is that really you? :)

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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby JayBee » Mon 06 Feb 2006, 20:53:55

Mr Griffin was recently found innocent in court for inciting racial hatred and yet has to go back to court again for another try at convicting him.

However, the Islamofascists are marching up and down UK streets with mock suicide bomb belts strapped to them, signs celebrating the suicide attacks on London and the wish for more. Yet the Metropolitan Police say they are looking into "possible" infractions.

Strange country.
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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby Eli » Mon 06 Feb 2006, 22:42:27

Jaybee you are just being racists.

We need to try to understand why these Muslim young men would like to blow us all up and find out who oppressed them. When we try to understand why they hate us we will all live in piece.
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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 07 Feb 2006, 06:47:08

JayBee,

Chill JB... Eli was joking...lol... dry sarcasm against true believers in the pc madness.
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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby JayBee » Tue 07 Feb 2006, 06:47:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'J')aybee you are just being racists.

We need to try to understand why these Muslim young men would like to blow us all up and find out who oppressed them. When we try to understand why they hate us we will all live in piece.


No, I am not "racists".

Ask my Chinese wife, she will put you straight.

I do not like hypocrisy. This example of self-loathing Liberals favouring Islamo-fascists over Brit-fascists is one of many examples.

"try to understand why they hate us" sounds very Neville Chamberlain. That wouldn't have gotten you far in 1939. Sorry 1941 in your case.
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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 07 Feb 2006, 06:53:09

wow... that was wierd... my reply was entered above the post I was refering to... heh... good trick!! :)
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Re: BNP discussion

Unread postby Eli » Tue 07 Feb 2006, 10:48:10

You are correct sir! it was sarcasm. :-D

I think PC thought is putting us all in grave danger to use a poor choice of words.

Take for example the current cartoon riots. The West should apologies? for publishing a cartoon that showed Islam's founder in as a violent man with a bomb in his turban. These cartoons then caused muslims around the world to rise up in violence. Seems to me that the cartoon got to close to the truth.

But PC loonies think we should cow-Tao to the violent radical fringe who like to burn down embassies. The PC idiots do not realize that by showing respect to the Islamofacists it only strengthens their resolve and convictions that we in the West are weak.

I think what we need is more cartoons, it is better we piss them off now and sort how really violent they are because soon enough some third rate artists will paint a picture of Mohammed wearing a tutu and vale and it will be world war three.
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